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Webheads chat logs from December 9, 2001

Meet the people in the chat today

UAE

Pennsylvania

Ireland

Wisconsin

Liuzhou, PRC

Taiwan

Australia

Italy

Chile/
Colorado

Turkey

Germany

Japan

Denmark

and visitors to Tapped In Mathias, Marcel, Sonja, RoyStar and Eva from Berlin, Germany; and RobertBY, passerby, and ...

Find our webcam shots: Vance and Yaodong's technician | Vance and Yaodong | Vance and Mary in China | Yaodong and Vance in Netmeeting | Vance and Marina

Susanne I had to stay offline today but she went to Vance's office that evening and mailed the log recorders to herself. Then she wrote this summary (Thanks!! Susanne:-)):

John told us that Maggi had to stay offline because she has hit her back, please recover soon, Maggi! And John has got some pains in his fingers because of his way of handling his mouse. Take care, John! Your finger powers are precious - did you try to use the mouse with the other hand; I have trained myself to change between right and left to reduce the repetitive stress injuries that may follow excessive use´s of mouse and keyboard.

Vance, Yaodong and Marina were busy experimenting with webcams and voice chat. Arthur said he's delighted with the Wimba voiceboard. Vance's computer slowed down several times because of all the tech stuff.

Ying initiated a longer conversation on how shopkeepers selling fruit on each side of the same street may compete for the same customers. This topic became even more intereting when Vance added that in the Arabian souk, similar shops in the same neighborhood would sell the same kind of goods, while in Australia, Michael meant that you need a public license to open a shop saying it is not too close to another shop selling goods of the same kind. Ying lan discovered that in her city, she could count eight banks in the same street. Also, thre were some questions about the mystery of the disappeared load of merchandise in Ying's company that we discussed in an earlier session. Later, Juani from Chile who is currently staying in Rifle, US, told us how strange it was to drive in snow for the first time, so the differing weather conditions around thw world made another topic.

Mathias, Marcel, Sonja, RoyStar and Eva from Berlin, Germany visited us, asking the same question as all their fellow students of psychology; How do you use Tapped In for teching? BJ was trying hard to make these students do this in a separate room where she joined them, I think this particular class has spent a lot of time in Tapped IN lately, logging in one by one and all asking immediately for personal interviews with teachers. Probably, the regular Tapped In helpdesk would have liked their teacher to lead some kind of session instead.

Yaodong appears in Yahoo with his web cam

vance_stevens: ok, I see you there

jjcyd: still trying?

vance_stevens: can you hear me yet?

jjcyd: no.we cant ( i have a friend here,too)

vance_stevens: You are smiling

jjcyd: we are hear but we cannot hear u.

vance_stevens: I'm taking your picture

vance_stevens: I have an indicator that says I am talking

jjcyd: vance, why not turn on yor webcam?

vance_stevens: ok, hang on

jjcyd: wait, my friend is doing the configuratiion again . He is in charge of work of this lab. he is a computer engineer.

vance_stevens: ok

vance_stevens: I see you disabled voice ?

jjcyd: now it is ok.

vance_stevens: so can you hear me now?

vance_stevens: I have my web cam up now

vance_stevens: can you see me or hear me?

jjcyd: we can see u now. but cannot hear.

vance_stevens: I can hear you

jjcyd: we can see u

jjcyd: but cannoot hear u. hang on.

vance_stevens: ok

jjcyd: ok?

vance_stevens: can you hear me now?

vance_stevens: yes, I can hear you

jjcyd: yes, perfect!!!

jjcyd: so it works at last!!!

vance_stevens: You can probably see yourself but I haven't got the image yet

vance_stevens: Now you are in view

vance_stevens: now I see the cdrom in your hand

vance_stevens: trouble with the voice server it says

vance_stevens: we have teachers and students here. This is a language school. I manage the computers

vance_stevens: The voice has gone off again.

vance_stevens: It could be overloaded

vance_stevens: http://www.mli.ac.ae

jjcyd: oic

vance_stevens: because your students ... ??

vance_stevens: ok, we can try tapped in AND video

vance_stevens: Shun

vance_stevens: noon to 2 pm GMT

jjcyd: bye

jjcyd: thank u again

jjcyd has disabled voice conference. (12/9/01 at 10:27 AM)

Yaodong returns to Yahoo voice chat with his class of 30 students

vance_stevens: Alright, I see your students

vance_stevens: you need to tilt the camera down a bit

vance_stevens: Do you have a focus knob?

jjcyd: what is that?

vance_stevens: something to make the lense focus more clearly. I think it's ok now

jjcyd: i found it on the top of the cam.

vance_stevens: Have you got my cam?

vance_stevens: I have a message that you've disabled voice

jjcyd: ok, le t me try agian

vance_stevens: ok, you're enabled. I'll play some music so there's something to hear here.

jjcyd: hi ,ok

vance_stevens: is this ok?

jjcyd: Hindu musc?

vance_stevens: no Hindemith

jjcyd: can u hear us?

vance_stevens: I can barely hear you

jjcyd: no music sound at all

jjcyd: yes

jjcyd: amd the music,too.

vance_stevens: ok, cool

jjcyd: www.chinatour.com

jjcyd: http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/data/province/guangxi.html

jjcyd: mary is speaking to u now.

vance_stevens: Sorry I'm on the phone as you can see

jjcyd: ok, we are talking here.

vance_stevens: I can hear you

vance_stevens: I can't hear you I mean

<See what we're saying in Tapped In right now -->

jjcyd: mary has a sore throat.

jjcyd: kidding

vance_stevens: can you hear me there? I hear nothing from your end.

jjcyd: we can hear u ok

vance_stevens: just lost the voice server

jjcyd: it is normal now

jjcyd: we can hear u.

vance_stevens: lost the voice server again.

vance_stevens: also juggling taped in

jjcyd: so i won't go to tapped in for the moment

jjcyd: can we find more ppl here to interact with?

jjcyd: keep u every busy, talking her e and writing there.

jjcyd: good, invite bjb.

jjcyd has disabled voice conference. (12/9/01 at 4:15 PM)

vance_stevens: I'll turn voice off here and start it in the conference

jjcyd: ok here.

jjcyd: yes, we can

jjcyd: ok

jjcyd: we are on DU MOO now.

vance_stevens: Let's switch to the other Yahoo window

vance_stevens: do you see it? A conference?

Ying Lan joins the voice chat conference

Yahoo! Messenger: Conference vance_stevens-41430 started.

Yahoo! Messenger: jjcyd has joined the conference.

vance_stevens: I turned off my web cam because it's making my computer too slow

vance_stevens: Let me know if you want it back again.

jjcyd: ok

vance_stevens: You're in the wrong window

vance_stevens: still there? Can you hear me still?

Yahoo! Messenger: yinglanliu has joined the conference.

vance_stevens: can you hear me here Ying Lan?

yinglanliu: no

yinglanliu: Can you try again.

vance_stevens: I am trying. Maybe we should shut this down and try a new conference ...

Vance and Yaodong try MSN Messenger and Netmeeting

yaodong/DON/yd says:here?

Vance says:If we use netmeeting it's just the two of us

You have accepted the invitation from yaodong/DON/yd to start using NetMeeting.

Vance says:For some reason, this only works if I invite

Vance says:I don't know why that is

yaodong/DON/yd says:invited me?

yaodong/DON/yd is inviting you to start using NetMeeting. Do you want to Accept (Alt+T) or Decline (Alt+D) the invitation?

You have accepted the invitation from yaodong/DON/yd to start using NetMeeting.

Netmeeting produced the following log:

waiyuxi Liuzhou	12/9/01	4:35:04 PM	we can see you now/hear you now.
waiyuxi Liuzhou	12/9/01	4:35:12 PM	hwo can you see us?
Vance Stevens	12/9/01	4:35:35 PM	no, I can't hear you, but I just got your web cam
Vance Stevens	12/9/01	4:35:45 PM	it's pointed at the ceiling
Vance Stevens	12/9/01	4:36:11 PM	sounds awful
Vance Stevens	12/9/01	4:36:23 PM	just noise coming through
waiyuxi Liuzhou	12/9/01	4:36:38 PM	hear me?
waiyuxi Liuzhou	12/9/01	4:36:42 PM	see us?
Vance Stevens	12/9/01	4:37:15 PM	I hear loud noise and I can see your ceiling

Vance says:let's chat here, keep the number of chat windows down

yaodong/DON/yd says:see us?

Vance says:There is static noise coming through

yaodong/DON/yd says:show us how to use whiteboard?

Vance says:hang on, I'm talking in Tapped in

yaodong/DON/yd says:ok,it makes really busy now.

Vance says:I'm not sure how to use the whiteboard. Maybe we can figure it out.

yaodong/DON/yd says:yes,let

yaodong/DON/yd says:let's try

Vance says:tools / whiteboard

yaodong/DON/yd says:may click it jnow?

yaodong/DON/yd says:so, can we see you using the whiteboard?

Vance says:See that?

yaodong/DON/yd says:see you drawing a cat on the board.

yaodong/DON/yd says:are u drawing now?

yaodong/DON/yd says:lovely pig!!!

yaodong/DON/yd says:do a flower for us?

Vance says:ok

yaodong/DON/yd says:beautiful!!!!

Vance says:your turn

<See what's going on in Tapped In just now -->

Vance says:can you aim your web cam down a bit?

yaodong/DON/yd says:ok. ok now?

Vance says:a bit better. Also, I think your mic is in the wrong plug.

yaodong/DON/yd says:i am asking my students for help.

Vance says:good idea. They can figure it out.

yaodong/DON/yd says:we can see ourselves now in the webcam.

Vance says:back in a sec ...

yaodong/DON/yd says:any other jobs we can doing with the whiteboard?/

Vance says:You can display pre-made graphics as a slide show

yaodong/DON/yd says:i am showing students a comedy WHAT'S TO DO from www.movieflix.com /can you hear the sound from the film?

yaodong/DON/yd is inviting you to start using Heroes of Might and Magic III. Do you want to Accept (Alt+T) or Decline (Alt+D) the invitation?

The invitation from yaodong/DON/yd to start using Heroes of Might and Magic III is declined because the program is disabled or is not installed on your computer.

Vance says:I cna't hear anything because .. hang on, maybe working now

yaodong/DON/yd says:oh?

Vance says:no, the sound is still just static. I turned it down

yaodong/DON/yd says:oh,

yaodong/DON/yd says:let me show you the movie from here. <He aims his web cam at the screen on the wall where the movie is showing>

yaodong/DON/yd says:see it?

Vance says:yes, I do

Vance says:I'm going to eat a banana. Would you like some?

yaodong/DON/yd says:oh, yes pls show us some <Vance presents his delicious, partly peeled banana to the web cam>

yaodong/DON/yd says:very big banana

yaodong/DON/yd says:again?

Vance says:I'm hungry

yaodong/DON/yd says:i wish to cook u some chinese food

Vance says:I would like to come there to enjoy it with you

Vance says:There, I see you again

Vance says:Is the movie over?

Vance says:Is your sound set up the same as for Yahoo?

yaodong/DON/yd says:not yet

yaodong/DON/yd says:students laugh their heads off , it is a comedy.

Vance says:I mean, sound was fine in Yahoo, but it's just one wall of static in Yahoo

yaodong/DON/yd says:don't knnow sound is diabled here.

yaodong/DON/yd says:why not here?

Vance says:I am receiving sound from your broadcast that is just loud static

yaodong/DON/yd says:better now?

Vance says:no, the same

Vance says:what are your students doing there?

Vance says:are they there for self study today?

yaodong/DON/yd says:watching the movie/it is an optional course for them

yaodong/DON/yd says:called the Internet and enlish study

Vance says:do you have any exercises for the movie?

Vance says:any activities for them to do afterwards?

yaodong/DON/yd says:they can write a movie report and email it to me

yaodong/DON/yd says:i apply each of them a email account on www.epals.com

yaodong/DON/yd says:it has a monitored account so i can check their 'exercise'

yaodong/DON/yd says:now it is over.

yaodong/DON/yd says:did you say there will be students from your institute to talk to my students on tuesday? in group of five each time. I was so glad to hear the good news

Vance says:yes, 3 at a time actually. 9 students

Vance says:I'm going to stop netmeeting and start Yahoo

Vance says:Michael wants to join us

yaodong/DON/yd says:are they all servicemen?// goood...ok, say HI ot him for me.

yaodong/DON/yd says:i stay on for some time.

Vance says:ok, I have to stop the web cam and sound and put it on yahoo

yaodong/DON/yd says:ok, thank you for evrything, vance.

yaodong/DON/yd says:very glad now i knwo how jot use webcam

Vance says:ok, see you in Yahoo if you come there

Marina joins the Yahoo voice and video conference

Yahoo! Messenger: Conference vance_stevens-52058 started.

Yahoo! Messenger: yinglanliu has joined the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: mikecogh has joined the conference.

mikecogh: Just getting a few words loud and clear

mikecogh: then it fades

yinglanliu: I can not hear you.

yinglanliu: sorry.

vance_stevens: Michael and I are ok

vance_stevens: Yes, I can hear you

Yahoo! Messenger: marinaaaaaa has joined the conference.

mikecogh: marinaaaaaa!

yinglanliu: she hurted herself ..how?

mikecogh: I don't know how Maggi hurt her back.

mikecogh: I din't ask her. I think she's often in pain these days

yinglanliu: She lives alone... no one could take of her or she got someone to help her.

yinglanliu: Because of raining, I had to call everyone to say sorry for cancelling the party.

yinglanliu: pork.

yinglanliu: I don't know..

yinglanliu: But the company send the subsition woker to my office next week.

yinglanliu: they said that I would go to new york soon.

vance_stevens: GOOD

vance_stevens: http://www.vancestevens.com/papers/

mikecogh: Bye Maina. Bye Ying

Yahoo! Messenger: mikecogh has left the conference.

marinaaaaaa: Bye Michael!!

yinglanliu: I think so..

yinglanliu: I don't have any bad records in USA.

vance_stevens: let's hope not (bad records)

yinglanliu: I wonder ... I can hear you very clearly.. how about you?

yinglanliu: You cannot hear my voice cearly?

vance_stevens: not the last thing you said

yinglanliu: Do you speak too fast?

yinglanliu: Sorry, I have to go now.

yinglanliu: nice to see you.

yinglanliu: bye.

Yahoo! Messenger: yinglanliu has left the conference.

<See where we are in Tapped In -->

vance_stevens: voice server went off ?!!

vance_stevens: happens a lot

vance_stevens: are you still in Tapped IN?

marinaaaaaa: Something wrong, yes I'm still there I think

vance_stevens: voice is usually not down for this long

vance_stevens: I get slow response in Tapped in when I have a web cam going

Tapped In chat logs

Started recording in Reception (#268)[TappedIn] at Sun Dec 9 03:55:58 2001 PST.

BJB drops 2001/12/9 WebHeads (recording).

ArthurM waves back, having been off filling the coffee bucket .

JohnSte has arrived.
White Book of Tarkin Ru follows JohnSte to here.

BJB [HelpDesk] smiles and nods.

BJB says, "hi, John"

BJB says, "good day"

JohnSte says, "Morning."

JohnSte says, "I still haven't had my cup of coffee this morning."

ArthurM makes a funny boise as he sips coffe - Is it OK to eat / drink in class?

BJB [HelpDesk] thinks it is...as long as you don't spill anything on your keyboard

YaodongC Yaodong enjoys being with you.
YaodongC's personal recorder follows YaodongC to here.

YaodongC [helpingnewbie] bows

YaodongC says, "hi, all."

BJB [HelpDesk] bows to Yaodong

ArthurM says, "I used to be able to smoke (a pipe) too, but now that's no longer possible - at home, in the office, anywhere; just my car .. :-) (which my wife calls an ashtray)"

JohnSte says, "Hi, Yaodong."

ArthurM says, "Hi, Yaodong"

DanB has arrived.
Seeing Eye follows DanB to here.

YaodongC [to John]: "hi,nice to meet u."

ArthurM says, "Dan, Hi"

DanB says, "Hello, all."

YaodongC [to ArthurM]: "Hello."

VanceS has arrived.
VanceSrecorder follows VanceS to here.

JohnSte says, "Hi, Vance. Maggi has asked me to excuse her. She hurt her back and has a lot to do."

VanceS says, "hi"

BJB [HelpDesk] waves hi to Vance

ArthurM says, "I am here for 20 minutyes or so. Then must be in another place."

JohnSte asks, "How are you Arthur?"

VanceS says, "I'm with Yaodong and his class in Yahoo"

VanceS says, "Hi Arthur. Thanks for your voice message."

VanceS says, "You're a very clear speaker"

ArthurM says, "Well, john, well, and very enthused by Wimba, Webheads and alll"

ArthurM says, "Irish folk are like that - clear, succinct and - sober..."

ArthurM says, "And when we're not sober ..."

JohnSte says, "Thank you."

JohnSte says, "(although I am only 3/4 Irish)"

DanB . o O ( Does that mean John's only 3/4 sober? )

JohnSte says, "More or less."

JohnSte says, "A little less than more."

VanceS says, "Sorry, I got a phone call" <See Vance talking to Mary in Liuzhou, China using Yahoo web cam -->

VanceS says, "plus I'm in the yahoo video conversation"

ArthurM says, "this sounds interesting"

VanceS says, "and I'm getting very slow response here at tapped in"

ArthurM says, "My Tapped In seems fine"

VanceS says, "If you're on Yahoo you can join us"

JohnSte says, "So does mine."

VanceS says, "It's my web cam, slows things up"

ArthurM says, "Vance, I'll explore this later."

VanceS says, "ok, so thanks for your message. Asynchronous voice has its advantages"

VanceS asks, "hello?"

JohnSte says, "Yep."

g has connected.

g [guest] says, "ying"

VanceS says, "sorry, wasn't sure if my machine had frozen."

YaodongC says, "hello, everyone."

BJB [HelpDesk] waves. You're ok here in TI, Vance

g [guest] says, "ying"

VanceS says, "Are you visiting with your family Arthur? Hi Ying Lan."

BJB [to Ying]: "type /rename g to Ying"

g [guest] says, "hello everyone."

JohnSte says, "Morning, Ying"

g [guest] says, "good evening..."

DanB says, "Hello, Ying."

BJB . o O ( you are logged in as g, Ying )

g [guest] says, "John, I just got your email., I don't have time to read it."

ArthurM says, "My wife's family this afternoon. So I have to leave in a few minutes for a 45 mile drive."

YaodongC says, "I have to leave here every nw and then to take care of my students."

JohnSte says, "OK."

g [guest] says, "rename g to Ying"

YaodongC says, "they are in the lab now, looking at me, talking to Vance via yahoo messenger."

BJB [to Ying [guest]]: "/ first: /rename g to Ying"

YaodongC [to VanceS]: "so i have to go now. see you."

VanceS says, "ok Yaodong. But it's difficult for me to be here and there too."

JohnSte says, "OK, see you Yaodong."

BJB [HelpDesk] bows to Yaodong and the class

ArthurM says, "Yaodong, we have 40 fulltime MBA students I teach them ebusiness from February next year"

ying [guest] asks, "Have I changed my name?"

BJB [HelpDesk] cheers for Ying...yep!

JohnSte says, "Yes,you have, Ying."

YaodongC [helpingnewbie] waves to everyone

BJB [to Ying [guest]]: "type :waves"

ying [guest] asks, "Really,,,, ArthurM... which school do you teach now?"

VanceS says, "So Yaodong is rejoining Yahoo, and Arthur is about to drive off, and Ying Lan has changed her name :-)"

ArthurM says, "University of Ulster in northern Ireland"

BJB exclaims, "wow...chaos navigation and we're all in the same place!"

VanceS [Webhead] waves ArthurM, BJB [HelpDesk], JohnSte [Webhead], YaodongC [helpingnewbie], DanB, and ying [guest].

ying [guest] says, "Oh..."

BJB . o O ( however briefly )

ying [guest] says, "Everyday I pass two stores.. they sell the same merchandise.."

ying [guest] says, "Two stores are very close"

ArthurM asks, "what do they sell?"

ying [guest] says, "I mean the location , just accross the street, you cound find another store which sell fruit..."

ying [guest] says, "the price of fruit is almost the same."

VanceS says, "Hi Dan (didn't see you there earlier)"

BJB [to Ying [guest]]: "are you in New York now?"

ying [guest] says, "One was opened one year ago, the other one just opened four months ago."

DanB says, "Hi, Vance."

ArthurM says, "Sorry, folks, I have to go. see you all next week. In the meantime, visit my Web site at www.arthurmckeown.com - I have just put up the Christmas decorations! Bye."

VanceS [Webhead] listens to Ying Lan

BJB [HelpDesk] waves bye to Arthur

DanB says, "Have a good day, Arthur."

You hear a quiet popping sound; ArthurM has disconnected.

JohnSte says, "So long, Arthur"

You hear a quiet popping sound; YaodongC [helpingnewbie] has disconnected.

ying [guest] says, "Everyday, I pass two stores... I find that people always go to the old fruit store to buy fruit."

JohnSte asks, "Are the prices the same at the other one?"

ying [guest] says, "The new fruit store is always empty.. I mean no customer.."

ying [guest] says, "Yes, the prices are the same.. I mean almost."

JohnSte says, "I usually will not change stores if there is no go reason to change."

ying [guest] says, "The new store looks more becautiful and clean than the old one."

ying [guest] says, "That's the point."

JohnSte asks, "Yes, but is the service in the new oneas good as in the old one?"

ying [guest] says, "The same location, same merchandise, same prices."

JohnSte says, "Then I wouldn't see any reason to change stores."

ying [guest] says, "But different profit they made."

BJB . o O ( not only is the service comparable, but are the personalities of the owners similar...have they established a friendly relationship with their customers? )

ying [guest] asks, "You buy food, what kind of service do you need when you buy fruit?

ying [guest] says, "Bjb, that's what I am thinking now."

JohnSte says, "Friendly service. People who are helpful. People who greet me when I come in."

BJB [to Ying [guest]]: "what city are these stores located in, Ying?"

ying [guest] says, "The boss of the old fruit store is older than the new one."

VanceS says, "Maybe people see others going into one store and decide to use that one."

JohnSte says, "Yes, that is possible."

ying [guest] says, "At my home town. I still live in Taiwan."

VanceS says, "I often eat in restaurants (in strange cities) that have people in them. I avoid empty ones."

BJB says, "the older boss may have known his customers for many years"

ying [guest] says, "Vance, that's another point."

JohnSte asks, "Which store do you buy in, Ying?"

BJB [HelpDesk] wonders if the customers of the older store are also older

ying [guest] says, "L live with my parents, my mother buys food for me... I am a lazy daughter."

VanceS says, "yeah, there's the 'root for the underdog' mentality. Try to help the weaker one."

JohnSte says, "My daughters are lazy that way, too."

ying [guest] says, "thanks, John."

JohnSte says, "I think all daughters are the same."

BJB [HelpDesk] clears her throat

matthias has connected.

VanceS says, "Ying Lan just joined us in voice chat (can you hear us there Ying Lan?)"

JohnSte says, "Hi, Michael."

BJB says, "hi, Matthias. Welcome to TAPPED IN"

matthias [guest] says, "hello"

ying [guest] says, "hi, matthias."

matthias [guest] says, "hello"

DanB says, "Hello, Matthias."

VanceS says, "Hi Mathias, welcome to Webheads"

JohnSte says, "Sorry for using the wrong name, Mathias - I don't have my glasses on."

matthias [guest] says, "hello to everyone"

matthias [guest] says, "no matter"

BJB [to Matthias [guest]]: "are you here to join the webheads discussion?"

ying [guest] says, "So, when the new store opened, I just courious how many customer would go to the new one to buy fruite."

BJB [HelpDesk] wonders if Matthias is in Heike's class

ying [guest] says, "I was courious."

VanceS asks, "and what happened?"

matthias [guest] says, "no, i'm a student from Germany and i got the task to ask teacher how they use tapped in"

JohnSte says, "Most people usually stay with what they are familiar with, unless they have a good reson to change."

matthias [guest] says, "Yes, you right. i'm in heikes class"

BJB [HelpDesk] nods to Matthias. The group that is here right now is called WebHeads...

BJB says, "they are an international group that is learning and teaching English"

matthias [guest] says, "aah"

matthias [guest] says, "aha"

BJB [HelpDesk] wonders if everyone can introduce themselves to Matthias, please

BJB says, "I'm a teacher in the US, Matthias"

matthias [guest] says, "that would be nice"

DanB says, "I am a professor in Wisconsin, Matthias."

JohnSte says, "I'm a t eacher with the University of Puerto Rico currently on sabbatical in the US."

ying [guest] says, "so... it is very bad idea to follow the sucessful store to be their competitor."

DanB asks, "Why is that a bad idea, Ying?"

matthias [guest] asks, "hello, how do you use tapped in for teaching?"

BJB [to Ying [guest]]: "it sounds like it may be so, if the new store is not getting any customers..."

BJB says, "although it takes time to establish a clientelle"

ying [guest] says, "Like Coca Cola and Pepsi..."

VanceS says, "I'm a computer assisted language learning specialist in Abu Dhabi, http://www.vancestevens.com/"

ying [guest] says, "That is the most famous example.."

BJB [to Matthias [guest]]: "we are using TI right now for teaching and learning. Ying is in Taiwan and we are discussing the virtues and obstacles of a free trade economy"

MichaelAC has connected.

ying [guest] says, "The two stores which sell fruit .. I just mentioned that before."

DanB waves to Michael

MichaelAC says, "Hello everyone."

matthias [guest] says, "hello michaelac"

BJB . o O ( two stores, similar products and prices...one store successful and the other not...we're trying to figure out why )

BJB [HelpDesk] waves g'day to Michael

JohnSte says, "Hi, Michael."

VanceS says, "Hi Michael"

ying [guest] says, "The new one tries to copy the old one ...like successful experience ."

BJB [HelpDesk] thinks the new store needs to find something to offer that the old store does not

VanceS says, "and Ying Lan, Yaodong decided to try netmeeting, so I shut down the yahoo chat"

JohnSte says, "I think the newer one is less successful simply because it is new and doesn't give a reason for changing stores."

VanceS says, "Now Yaodong is the real chaos navigator"

VanceS says, "He's all over the place ..."

ying [guest] says, "the new one want to be the competitor.."

BJB . o O ( free samples of fruit juice or a cafe where customers can sit and eat fruit salad )

JohnSte says, "You have to have something different for people to have a reason to change stores, Ying."

ying [guest] says, "Yes, that's the point."

MichaelAC says, "No Arthur here - he just sent a message in Wimba."

ying [guest] says, "Unless you can modify the old experience to improve the skill"

ying [guest] says, "Arthur left 10 min.. ago."

BJB [to Ying [guest]]: "what is your interest in the new store?"

MichaelAC says, "oh i see"

ying [guest] says, "I wonder when the new sotre will close."

Marcel has connected.

ying [guest] says, "Or they change their policy."

VanceS asks, "so what's new with you Michael?"

BJB says, "hi, Marcel. welcome to TAPPED IN"

MichaelAC asks, "What new store are you talking about?"

BJB [to Marcel [guest]]: "can we help you with something?"

MichaelAC exclaims, "I'm nearly on holidays!"

ying [guest] says, "I always pass two stores which sell fruit on my working way."

BJB [to Matthias [guest]]: "you are welcome to explore TAPPED IN. We're here to answer questions if you have any"

JohnSte says, "So am I. I leave for home Tuesday night."

MichaelAC asks, "How was Dubai Vance?"

MichaelAC says, "I see Ying (about the stores!)"

Marcel [guest] says, "I`m looking for people who would participate at an interview."

BJB [to Marcel [guest]]: "are you a teacher?"

VanceS says, "Dubai? I went to Oman. Hi Marcel."

ying [guest] says, "The old one always full of cusomter, the new one is more beautiful and clean than old one. but the new one is always empty."

DanB asks, "Ying, are both these fruit stores owned by a single person, a proprietorship?"

MichaelAC exclaims, "yes that's what I meant!"

Marcel [guest] says, "No I`m a student."

MichaelAC says, "Oman"

JohnSte says, "They sell the same fruit at the same price."

BJB [to Marcel [guest]]: "where are you located? The group that is here now is called WebHeads and they are all English learners and teachers"

ying [guest] says, "DanB, I don't know. I think the owner is a single person."

VanceS says, "Oman is always great. It's a playground full of mountains and ocean and nice people."

MichaelAC says, "Sounds lovely."

VanceS asks, "I have pages with pics of oman, gotta minute??"

DanB says, "I'm trying to understand why the second store located right across the street."

BJB [to VanceS]: "I would like to see the pictures"

JohnSte asks, "What type of student are you, Marcel?"

VanceS says, "In this part of the world similar stores are often next to each other"

MichaelAC says, "Did Arhur stick around for a while and find his feet? And In would love to see pix of Oman."

VanceS says, "There's a mentality that if you want a certain commodity you go to a certain part of town, or a certain souk, and all the stores selling that are there."

Marcel [guest] says, "I` studying psychology in Germany."

BJB [to Michael]: "Arthur has logged in to TI many times now...he's doing fine"

matthias [guest] asks, "hello marcel, are you in the class of heikeS?"

BJB [to Marcel [guest]]: "say hi to Matthias who is in your class!"

ying [guest] says, "I think that the owner of the new store wanted to share the old one's customer.."

matthias [guest] asks, "marcel?"

DanB asks, "Competition can be good, Ying. Do you still work in the bank?"

MichaelAC says, "That's a very Eastern concept isn't it? (the souk thing - where all similar products are in the same area)"

ying [guest] says, "They might think that people were lazy to cross the street.. they could catch 50% cusmoter who lived the other side."

Marcel [guest] says, "Hi Matthias, yes I` m in Heikes class."

ying [guest] says, "Yes, I still work at a bank."

ying [guest] says, "I don't have any skill to find another job here."

DanB asks, "Does your bank have a competitor bank nearby?"

MichaelAC says, "In the west (like here) there are laws that stop you setting up the same business in the same area."

matthias [guest] says, "dann koennen wir uns ja uch auf deutsch unterhalten"

BJB [to Marcel/Matthias]: "you are welcome to stay here and talk to the webheads or I can meet with you in another room and tell you some things about TAPPED IN"

ying [guest] says, "A lot of banks in Taiwan."

matthias [guest] says, "that would be nice"

ying [guest] says, "Let me count..."

VanceS says, "Really Michael? In California, there are often banks and service stations across the street from one another."

BJB [to Matthias/Marcel]: "click on AFTER SCHOOL ONLINE on the room drawing"

Marcel [guest] says, "ja, gute idee, vielleicht können wir ja auch die interviews zusammen durchführen, Heike sagte, das das geht."

Marcel [guest] leaves for the ASO.

matthias [guest] says, "okay"

matthias [guest] leaves for the ASO.

JohnSte says, "Not in PR. Walk into any Mall and you can see the same type of store all together."

MichaelAC says, "I think it maybe applies to small businesses like corner stores and hairdressers"

ying [guest] says, "At the same street , same side.. there are 9 banks in our neighbourhood."

JohnSte says, "In my town, there are four shoe stores on the same corner."

MichaelAC says, "No here in Aust (outside the CBD) you have to apply for a license and one of the conditions is that you are a certain distance from a competititor."

MichaelAC says, "CBD = central business district"

VanceS asks, "what's the distance?"

DanB asks, "Has that ever been legally challenged, Michael?"

MichaelAC says, "That I don't know. Legally challenged - don't know Dan"

ying [guest] says, "It sounds crazy... everyday we have to attack our competitors .. I am joking."

MichaelAC says, "Well it makes sense in a way. It protects existing businesses"

JohnSte says, "Competition is good for the client (and the merchandise)."

MichaelAC says, "Yeh I can drive 2 k's away and go to the same service if it's better"

ying [guest] says, "But it is not good for bank.. I mean the financial system is like the blood for the body."

JohnSte says, "As a local Pizza parlor has it. My competitors drive me to improve my pizza."

MichaelAC says, "smiles"

MichaelAC says, "I must check this - I've never really thought about it"

<See what Vance and Yaodong are doing in Netmeeting just now -->

JohnSte says, "I went back to my home town a couple of weeks ago. There were three banks within three blocks of each other."

ying [guest] says, "To much competition will kill the bank's system.. We have learned that in the past ten years."

MichaelAC says, "But I know we do have some rules governing this"

MichaelAC exclaims, "My hairdresser told me!"

DanB asks, "Isn't that the whole point of competition?"

ying [guest] asks, "hairdresser?"

MichaelAC says, "Yes Ying - the person who cuts my hair"

JohnSte says, "Of course it it, Dan."

ying [guest] says, "I knew, but it is the first time, I have heard the name of the career."

MichaelAC says, "Ok"

ying [guest] says, "I remember .. it initals by b"

MichaelAC asks, "B for hairdresser?"

DavidW has connected.

DavidW wvaes to BJB [HelpDesk], JohnSte [Webhead], DanB, VanceS [Webhead], ying [guest], and MichaelAC.

DavidW waves.

JohnSte asks, "barber?"

DavidW says, "Morning"

BJB [HelpDesk] waves good morning to David

MichaelAC says, "In the old days they were called Barbers"

DanB waves to David

ying [guest] says, "yes, barber."

JohnSte says, "Hi, David."

DavidW says, "Hey"

ying [guest] says, "hello. DavidW."

ying [guest] says, "I love your name, DavidW."

DavidW [to Ying [guest]]: "Hi there"

DavidW . o O ( You do? )

DavidW says, "Thanks"

ying [guest] says, "You are welcome."

DavidW grins.

BJB . o O ( the name David means beloved. Everyone loves David! )

DanB asks, "Ying, whatever happened to the lost cargo you talked about a few weeks ago? Did the problem get solved?"

DavidW blushes.

ying [guest] says, "NO... I have not gotten any responses from any parties who have been involed in."

ying [guest] says, "that's really strange."

VanceS asks, "who is liable?"

ying [guest] says, "It sounds like no one wants to take responsibility on this issue."

ying [guest] says, "liable on what."

DanB asks, "What is the value involved with this cargo?"

DavidW says, "Be right back."

You hear a quiet popping sound; DavidW has disconnected.

ying [guest] says, "You will not believe me.. it is close to USD260,000.00"

JohnSte says, "hmmm."

ying [guest] says, "I mean the whole contract of cargo."

DanB exclaims, "Then, this really is strange!"

ying [guest] says, "But the cargo was shipped by ocean .. it estimated USD70,000.00"

VanceS asks, "Who is liable,, means, who is responsible. Is there insurance?"

ying [guest] says, "it is still a big money."

DanB asks, "Does anyone suspect hijacking?"

ying [guest] says, "the forwarder who realeased the merchandise to the notify party."

Juani has connected.

ying [guest] says, "in Germany."

BJB exclaims, "hi, Juani. welcome!"

JohnSte says, "Hi, Juani."

Juani [guest] says, "Hi.."

MichaelAC says, "Hello Juani"

VanceS says, "Hi Juani :-))"

ying [guest] says, "I just asked the shipping company to check who handled the merchandise in German at that time."

Juani [guest] says, "HI...from Rifle.CO"

DanB says, "So, we know what happened to the cargo."

DavidW has connected.

BJB says, "welcome back, David"

DavidW grins.

DavidW says, "Thanks"

DavidW . o O ( listening to Elvis )

ying [guest] says, "I knew the notify party cleaned the goods without our permisson."

DanB says, "Yes, Ying, now I remember that."

ying [guest] says, "It sounds like an international scam."

VanceS says, "While Ying Lan is telling us about the missing cargo .."

VanceS asks, "How are things in Rifle?"

JohnSte asks, "Are they shooting good?"

Juani [guest] says, "Good...lots of snow these days"

DanB asks, "How far is Rifle from Denver?"

ying [guest] asks, "shooting good?"

JohnSte says, "Means very good where I was raised."

Juani [guest] says, "yes, hunting season is coming to an end"

VanceS says, "That's good to hear. I plan to be in Utah in April and Iwant lots of snow left over for me."

DavidW grins.

JohnSte says, "It is a play on words - she is in Rifle. Rifles are used for shooting."

DavidW says, "There should be a little. I'll keep some in the freezer for you."

JohnSte says, "Today is last day of deer hunting here."

DavidW . o O ( Snow, that is. )

Sonja has connected.

Juani [guest] says, "I went to Moab a couple of weeks ago"

DavidW . o O ( Been to Moab. )

JohnSte says, "Hi, Sonja."

ying [guest] says, "Vance, which country is your next goal .."

VanceS says, "The desert ..."

DanB says, "Hello, Sonja."

Juani [guest] says, "deers are often on the road here,you must be very careful"

VanceS says, "My son is writing me that he wants to visit Tibet this summer."

BJB [to Sonja [guest]]: "are you here for webheads? Matthias from your class in in the ASO"

ying [guest] asks, "Can you shoot the deers on the road?"

VanceS asks, "Is the summer a good time to go to Tibet?"

DanB says, "Same here is Wisconsin, Juani."

JohnSte says, "When I drove to St. Louis for Thanksgiving, I found them all over the place, Juani."

DavidW says, "Lots in PA, deer that is"

ying [guest] says, "It is good..."

ying [guest] says, "It is better than winter."

ying [guest] asks, "Can I go with you?"

JohnSte says, "It's starting to cool down here."

Juani [guest] says, "cool here , too ."

Juani [guest] says, "for me it's the first time in my life that I drive in the snow"

ying [guest] says, "Tibet for me, it is a misterious land."

VanceS asks, "Would you like to go to Tibet Ying Lan?"

DavidW says, "I would like to visit Tibet"

DanB asks, "How did you like driving in snow, Juani?"

VanceS says, "I think, given the time available, we might try to fly from Kunming"

JohnSte says, "I never did like driving in the snow."

VanceS says, "but I wonder if that's a good time of year to do it."

ying [guest] says, "Yes... I would like to visit Tibet. it sounds an impossible mission."

RoyStar has connected.

BJB says, "Hi, Roy"

DanB says, "Me neither, John. But I'll take snow over icy roads any day."

DanB says, "Hello, Roy."

RoyStar [guest] says, "Hello everybody"

DavidW waves to RoyStar [guest].

BJB [to Roy]: "are you here for WebHeads or are you here from HeikeS's class?"

JohnSte says, "Same here, David, but I really prefer the tropics during this time of the year."

DavidW nods.

RoyStar [guest] says, "I am from Heikes class ;)"

JohnSte [Webhead] wave to roy

RoyStar [guest] waves back

ying [guest] says, "In my life, I have not seen any snow storm or big snow.."

VanceS asks, "what kind of class is Heike's class?"

BJB says, "if anyone wants to be interviewed by a class from Germany, come to the ASO"

RoyStar [guest] says, "She leads an internet course in berlin"

BJB . o O ( psycology class studying MOO's and MUD's )

ying [guest] says, "I have seen snow for 5 minutes in Cananda in summer of 1996."

JohnSte says, "We used to get a lot of it in Missouri, when I was growing up, YIng"

DanB exclaims, "It isn't all that great an experience, Ying!"

ying [guest] says, "I don't understand the feeling about the snow."

RoyStar [guest] says, "is everyone interested in giving me an interview... please"

BJB [to Roy]: "Matthias is in the After School Online room right now"

JohnSte says, "Three more days and I'll be back in the tropics."

RoyStar [guest] says, "thank you BJB"

VanceS says, "I like snow for skiing, that is the only reason"

ying [guest] asks, "interview for what?"

DanB says, "A large snow storm can be dangerous, Ying."

RoyStar [guest] says, "it's about muds and moos"

DanB says, "And it can disrupt your daily life."

Juani [guest] says, "It's just beginning here,they said"

ying [guest] says, "I knew... A big typhoon is also dangerous."

RoyStar [guest] says, "but I need a registered member of TI , sorry Ying"

BJB [to Ying [guest]]: "the interview is about how you use TAPPED IN and any other moo or mud"

JohnSte asks, "When is the interview?"

DanB says, "Yes, and a typhoon is something I've only seen on television."

RoyStar [guest] says, "Now if you want"

ying [guest] says, "I don't remember that I had an interview before."

BJB says, "there is also another member of Roy's class in the ASO...if you want to participate in the interview go there"

JohnSte says, "Typhoons are like hurricanes. I've been through a couple, but not as many as Ying has."

BJB . o O ( type /aso )

Juani [guest] says, "I hop e we don't have them here"

ying [guest] says, "We had a terrible summer here... too many typhoon we had."

RoyStar [guest] says, "I'll check the ASO and if somebody is interested he/she might follow me"

RoyStar [guest] leaves for the ASO.

BJB says, "that way we can continue the snowy thread here and start an interview thread in the ASO :-)"

JohnSte says, "They are a sea occurance, Juani."

DanB asks, "Ying, did Taiwan have an unusual number of typhoons?"

ying [guest] says, "thaw.. is colder ."

ying [guest] says, "I don't understand your sentence."

Juani [guest] says, "yes..I don't see any sea around here, just mountains"

VanceS says, "Michael got bumped. He's having trouble getting back."

You hear a quiet popping sound; MichaelAC has lost his link.

ying [guest] says, "you mean last summer"

DanB asks, "Yes, last summer. Were there more typhoons than usual?"

BJB [to VanceS]: "have Michael try again...the system just noticed that he is gone"

Juani [guest] says, "and it's all an adventure every morning to find my car under the snow to go to work"

ying [guest] says, "I remember that in 10 years we would have some big typhoon in one year."

RoyStar [guest] has arrived.

matthias [guest] has arrived.

ying [guest] says, "This year, we had 2 or 3 big typhoons."

Juani [guest] says, "oh,,that sounds scary."

DanB says, "Here in America, we have a hurricane season that lasts from April to the end of September."

VanceS [Webhead] relays BJB's message to Michael

BJB says, "I remember that one was caused much damage, Ying"

ying [guest] says, "Because we had several big earthquake two years ago."

BJB . o O ( lots of flooding )

JohnSte says, "Here on the east coast, it lasts from June1 through Nov 30."

DanB says, "I remember news about the earthquakes."

ying [guest] says, "the mountains are not stable now.."

Juani [guest] says, "earthqueakes are terrible"

ying [guest] says, "we had horrible floody in summer."

Juani [guest] says, "we have had some big ones in Chile, too"

DanB asks, "John, doesn't Puerto Rico usually get more tropical storms than does the US?"

JohnSte says, "Not really, They usually pass us by."

RoyStar [guest] says, "It's a pitty that nobody is interested in giving me an interview..."

RoyStar [guest] cries

RoyStar [guest] cries louder

JohnSte says, "They they go on and hit Florida."

Juani [guest] says, "I could go to that interview.."

Juani [guest] says, "if this Mac allows me to"

ying [guest] says, "BJB will help you, RoyStar."

BJB [HelpDesk] chuckles...poor Roy.

ying [guest] says, "She is a nice lady, trust me."

Juani [guest] says, "it's an old and slow Mac....6500/275"

BJB [to Juani [guest]]: "type /aso"

RoyStar [guest] asks, "are you a teacher Juani ?"

DavidW [to RoyStar [guest]]: "Can I help you?"

DanB says, "I don't think Florida had too many land falls this year, though."

Juani [guest] says, "yes,I am"

BJB . o O ( you can use keyboard commands which are much faster than using the web window )

RoyStar [guest] asks, "Do you know something about Muds Juani ?"

Juani [guest] says, "type/aso""

JohnSte says, "No, this year they all stayed out at sea, thank goodness."

BJB [to Juani [guest]]: "/aso"

Michael has connected.

BJB holds up a BIG sign: | for the ASO type /aso |

Juani [guest] says, "/aso""

BJB says, "welcome back, Michael"

DavidW smiles.

DanB asks, "I can't recall, John, has PA had much flooding this year?"

JohnSte says, "Welcome back, Michael."

Michael [guest] says, "I'm back again. I had a PC freeze"

BJB [to Juani [guest]]: "no quotes first"

BJB holds up a BIG sign:

/aso

DavidW says, "It is cold today"

Juani [guest] says, "/type""

ying [guest] says, "this year, Taiwan was a target I/O Puer Rico."

DanB says, "Hi, Micheal."

DavidW grins.

RoyStar [guest] says, "Hello Michael"

JohnSte says, "Not here in the west."

Juani [guest] leaves for the ASO.

ying [guest] asks, "Why do I need to type /aso?"

RoyStar [guest] leaves for the ASO.

JohnSte says, "Yes, it was, Ying."

BJB [to Ying [guest]]: "the interviews are in the ASO"

BJB . o O ( you do not have to go there...Juani offered to be interviewed by Roy )

ying [guest] says, "If I want a interview, I have to type /aso."

JohnSte says, "I would have participated, but I am still too sleepy to think straight."

DavidW grins.

BJB says, "If you want to be interviewed you have to go to the After School Online room (ASO)"

DavidW hands JohnSte [Webhead] some coffee.

Michael [guest] asks, "Is anyone still here?"

ying [guest] says, "Don't worry, I don't need to have an interview."

VanceS says, "ok Michael, you're back here"

BJB [HelpDesk] nods to Michael

DavidW waves to Michael [guest].

JohnSte says, "Thanks, David, I needed that."

VanceS says, "I just checked out of netmeeting"

DavidW smiles.

VanceS says, "I guess BJB's advice worked"

DavidW says, "Often it does"

Michael [guest] asks, "What was BJB's advice?"

ying [guest] says, "Michael back."

ying [guest] says, "type /aso"

VanceS says, "I wouldn't mind if they came in here to Interview"

JohnSte says, "I had to take a pain pill for my hand last night, and it knocked me out. I'm still feeling the effects."

JohnSte says, "Welcome back, Michael."

VanceS asks, "what happened to your hand?"

Michael [guest] says, "Thanks John"

VanceS asks, "Do you still want to voice chat Michael? Or anyone else?"

ying [guest] asks, "Did you hurt you hand last night?"

JohnSte says, "I bruised a tendon in my little finger."

Michael [guest] says, "I'm happy to voice chat for a while..."

JohnSte says, "It's been bothering me for a few weeks, but it was too bad to stand last night."

Michael [guest] asks, "And how did you do that John?"

JohnSte says, "It is the way I hold my mouse (with my hand laying across the mouse pad)."

Michael [guest] says, "Ohhhh"

JohnSte says, "The doctor thought it was arthritis until he saw the xray of it."

VanceS asks, "how do you bruise your tendon on a mouse pad?"

JohnSte says, "Anyway, the sleep inducing effect of three ibuprophen PMs is still with me."

BJB . o O ( the mouse attacked? )

JohnSte says, "It came from letting my hand rest on the edge of the pad all the time."

ying [guest] says, "Poor John."

marina has connected.

BJB says, "Hi, Marina. Welcome"

DanB says, "I thought maybe intutitive chaos navigation is becoming moredangerous than we thought."

ying [guest] says, "I have not seen maggi for 2 weeks."

DanB says, "Someone said Maggi hurt her back."

JohnSte says, "It comes from spending too much time typing here."

marina [guest] exclaims, "I got it!"

JohnSte asks, "What did you get, marina?"

VanceS says, "I think she means she got the sound in the voice chat"

JohnSte says, "Oh, never mind - I see it now."

JohnSte says, "Yes. I thought she meant something else (because of the exclamation)"

VanceS asks, "Anyone else want to join us?"

JohnSte says, "Xue sent her excuses. Her mother is staying with her and wants her to disconnect and go to sleep."

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_116 [guest] has disconnected.

VanceS says, "Nice how everyone checks in"

VanceS [Webhead] counts noses BJB [HelpDesk], JohnSte [Webhead], DanB, ying [guest], DavidW, Michael [guest], and marina [guest].

DavidW touches his nose.

DavidW . o O ( Still here )

JohnSte says, "Wednesday I will see my wife and kids for the first time since last August."

VanceS says, "that's my way of seeing who's here. Much easier than update."

DavidW [to JohnSte]: "WHy the separation?"

VanceS [Webhead] smiles at John

JohnSte says, "I'm on a sabbatical to work on my dissertation. My wife and I thought it would be better if I could work without distractions."

VanceS says, "You seem to have done a good job, btw"

JohnSte says, "I'll go home for Christmas and then return here in January."

DavidW says, "Certainly"

JohnSte says, "Thank you, Vance. If you have any recommendatons on where I need to clarify myself, I would appreciate it."

JohnSte says, "You too, Michael."

VanceS says, "Marina, Michael, and Ying Lan and I are talking in Yahoo"

VanceS says, "I found a date on the first page that should be data"

Michael [guest] says, "I will read you paper soon John"

VanceS says, "Otherwise it seems pretty clear"

JohnSte says, "Yes, there are probably a lot of those typos"

JohnSte says, "Thank you, Michael."

VanceS says, "I"ve only started it"

JohnSte says, "Maggi had comments on the first part."

EvaB has connected.

JohnSte says, "I hope my description is correct."

EvaB [guest] exclaims, "Thank you!"

DanB says, "Hello, Eva."

JohnSte says, "Hi, Eva."

EvaB [guest] says, "Hi Dan and John"

BJB [HelpDesk] waves hello to Eva

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_176 [guest] has disconnected.

DanB asks, "Are you a student, Eva?"

VanceS asks, "Would you like for others to read it as well, John, like Rif?"

VanceS exclaims, "Hi Eva!"

DavidW waves bye to BJB [HelpDesk], JohnSte [Webhead], DanB, VanceS [Webhead], ying [guest], marina [guest], and EvaB [guest].

DavidW says, "See ya later"

DavidW says, "Ciao"

You hear a quiet popping sound; DavidW has disconnected.

JohnSte says, "I've sent links to those who participated in the interviews. Rif might be a helpful person to read it, too, though."

JohnSte says, "I just want to make sure there are no links on people's pages until I have the final version up."

VanceS says, "I was wondering also how widely you wanted us to give out the URL"

VanceS says, "with the understanding of no links in stone"

VanceS asks, "Eva, can we help you?"

VanceS . o O ( or is bjb taking care of that? )

JohnSte says, "You can give it to any member of Webheads who you think might have some input on how I describe our community."

VanceS says, "ok"

JohnSte says, "the final copy will be publicized first to Webheads, then, after a while, I will make it publicly available."

JohnSte says, "I just think Webheads should have the first opportunity to see the finished product."

JohnSte says, "Oh, my references are located at http://netdial.car ibe.net/~jhsteele/bib.html"

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_16 [guest] has lost its link.

VanceS says, "Marina has her web cam up now, as do I, in Yahoo"

EvaB has connected.

BJB says, "welcome back, Eva"

EvaB [guest] says, "Hi! Sorry, I had to disconnect because my telephone rang. Yes, I am a student"

JohnSte asks, "What are you studying, Eva?"

EvaB [guest] says, "I study psychology"

EvaB [guest] says, "We are currently learning about MUDs/MOOS for teaching"

JohnSte asks, "Oh, are you in the class that is meeting in the ASO?"

ying [guest] says, "I need to go now."

ying [guest] says, "Thank"

EvaB [guest] asks, "Is it a german class?"

ying [guest] says, "see you next week."

JohnSte says, "ok, Ying. It had been nice seeing you again."

BJB [to Eva]: "Roy is in the ASO"

DanB says, "Good bye, Ying."

JohnSte says, "See you next week."

ying [guest] says, "bye."

BJB [HelpDesk] bows to Ying

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_182 [guest] has disconnected.

<See what Vance and Marina are doing just now with their web cams -->

EvaB [guest] exclaims, "Oh, I'll go and look!"

VanceS says, "ok"

VanceS says, "Marina is showing us her room"

EvaB [guest] asks, "Sorry, where is the ASO?"

EvaB [guest] leaves for the ASO.

JohnSte says, "Well, it is about time for me to start working (cleaning my apartment - ugh)"

DanB says, "Have a good week, John."

BJB [HelpDesk] waves bye to John...happy cleaning :-P

JohnSte says, "Thanks, Dan, BJ. I'll see you all next week."

You hear a quiet popping sound; JohnSte [Webhead] has disconnected.

VanceS says, "lots of showing web cams today"

VanceS [Webhead] wonders who's here BJB [HelpDesk], DanB, and marina [guest].

VanceS asks, "BJB, want to join us in voice chat? Or have a look at our web cams? Dan?"

DanB says, "I can't join voice chat, but thanks for the invitation."

BJB says, "I'm going to have to leave soon, Vance...and am already talking in two rooms...limited capabilites in chaos nav"

DanB exclaims, "And I need to leave also. Have a great week!"

VanceS says, "ok, nice to see everyone"

VanceS asks, "Is it active in the ASO?"

DanB waves bye to Vance and BJ

BJB [to VanceS]: "just Juani and Roy"

You hear a quiet popping sound; DanB has disconnected.

VanceS says, "ok, Marina and I are enjoying voice and webcam at the moment"

BJB [HelpDesk] will keep her fingers on the TI home keys

VanceS says, "ok :-)"

VanceS asks, "ok, so Marina is still here?"

marina [guest] says, "yes, I'm here"

VanceS [Webhead] looks for marina [guest] BJB [HelpDesk] and marina [guest].

VanceS says, "ok, well it's easier to talk in one place"

VanceS says, "So I guess we lost our voice server"

BJB . o O ( ain't technology grand? )

VanceS says, "I think I'll shut down my web cam anyway"

VanceS says, "After a while it slows down my computer"

VanceS says, "We need faster computers, BJB, and more ram in the cerebellum"

marina [guest] says, "No problem, I'm enjoying the chat in any case"

VanceS says, "one of these days, we'll be prepared for that day"

VanceS says, "Yeah, me too, but I'm going to have to think about heading home to my lovely family"

marina [guest] says, "Yes, it's time to go."

VanceS says, "I'm concerned about my poor computer too"

VanceS says, "But it was very nice seeing you on web cam"

marina [guest] says, "Have a good day, Vance."

VanceS says, "You too"

marina [guest] says, "I hope to meet other webheads by cam"

VanceS says, "we have you and Yaodong and Sue and Felix and me"

marina [guest] says, "Maybe another time we'll see each other all together"

RobertBY has connected.

marina [guest] says, "Bye"

BJB [HelpDesk] waves bye to Marina

VanceS says, "My computer seems to have bombed pretty badly. This is still working but I'm shutting down. Bye for now."

You hear a quiet popping sound; VanceS [Webhead] has disconnected.

BJB says, "hi, Robert"

BJB [to Robert]: "anything I can help you with?"

RobertBY asks, "Good morniing BJB, and how are you today?"

BJB says, "fine thanks, Robert...almost awake :-)"

BJB asks, "and you?"

RobertBY says, "All is well, just thought that I would keep in touch with the tappedin group."

BJB says, "you just missed the WebHeads discussion"

BJB exclaims, "they are a lively crowd!"

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Webheads chat logs from December 9, 2001

Last updated: December 28, 2001 in Hot Metal Pro 6.0