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Webheads chat logs are posted on the Internet to assist language learners with comprehension of our conversations and to strengthen our sense of community through shared familiarity with one another. All are welcome to join us, but your participation in our activities implies that you approve of our posting on the Internet interactions in which you take part. Please address any comments or concerns to Vance Stevens.

Webheads chat logs from December 2, 2001

Meet the people in the chat today

BJB Susanne Ying Lan Michael John Sue Arthur
Pennsylvania Denmark Taiwan Australia Pennsylvania Japan Ireland
and Webhead James, and Tapped In visitors Roslyn from Tasmania, MHecker from Berlin, and DavidW

Find where everyone first joined the chat: BJB and Susanne| Roslyn | James | Arthur | Ying Lan | Michael | MHecker | John | DavidW | Sue (was here)

Of the chat today, Susanne said: "it was a very quiet day because nobody seemed to be playing around with other fun communication webtools." I (Vance) was on a break for national day in the UAE, but BJB dropped a recorder and left it for me to find in my office and James sent in his Tapped In logs, so from the two, we have the record below. Yaodong had proposed a topic but it turned out he was showing his students another MOO at this time, so the discussion was led by James and Roslyn. James was interested in the ethics of posting our transcripted Sunday meetings on the Internet, and those present agreed that the disclaimers on our web site and in the Tapped In calendar would probably head off misunderstandings, though it was suggested to possibly hold meetings in my office, where further notice could be posted as well (but BJB said she thought this wasn't necessary due to low traffic at Tapped In when we meet). There was also discussion of the literature on synchronous communication, particularly its various modalities, and the transcripts contain some interesting URLs referring to resources on these topics.

Susanne adds (Dec 7): "Ying tried to get us into the East meet West theme that Yaodong had proposed but she came in late and maybe we were too engaged in the discussion to catch the ball.

Looking deeper into the discussion threads, James initiated a good point about how to stick to one topic and to get back to it if needed in a synchronous discussion (chat, taking place at the same time). Roslyn introduced us to the Tasmanian internet community for teachers and students where she has been very active for several years and she worried about the plans for closing it down. Finally, John was late because he had not heard the alarm clock, poor guy getting up that early on a Sunday. We stayed for a while after James had quit because David from New York and Arthur from Ulster, Ireland also joined us; Roslyn mentioned how her homepage on ancestors had brought visitors from USA to her family in Tasmania, so we came into more personal topics like showing family photos and telling wild stories from our youthful days. I liked a funny picture of John in flowering colorful Hawaii shorts for a Cruise party show. (This final part of our session will be mailed to Vance in case you wish to make both ends meet.)

BTW, The internet community related authors we were discussing or just mentioning were:

Lynn Cherny
Sherry Turkle
Cynthia Haynes and Jan Rune Holmevik
Chris Dede

Anyone interested in research in this field, you're welcome to have a look at my homegrown list of references:"

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Started recording in Reception (#268)[TappedIn] at Sun Dec 2 03:48:00 2001 PST.

BJB drops 2001/12/02 WebHeads (recording).

SusanneN has arrived.

DiaLog follows SusanneN to here.

TimeLog follows SusanneN to here.

SusanneN [having lunch] hugs

BJB [HelpDesk] hugs Susanne good day

SusanneN says, "I'll be back in teni minutes"

BJB [HelpDesk] nods

SusanneN exclaims, "Take care!"

RoslynT arrives from nowhere.

RoslynT's personal recorder follows RoslynT to here.

BJB says, "good day, Roslyn"

BJB asks, "are you here for the webheads discussion?"

You hear a quiet popping sound; RoslynT has disconnected.

RoslynT has connected.

BJB asks, "welcome back, Roslyn...better connection now?"

RoslynT says, "o"

BJB . o O ( uh, that o as in no? )

RoslynT says, "hello again BJB and"

RoslynT says, "hi Susanne"

RoslynT says, "This is terrible."

BJB asks, "what is the problem, Ros?"

BJB asks, "sometimes a restart of your machine helps. Are you on a text client?"

RoslynT says, "I type but the letters"

RoslynT says, "pile up"

RoslynT says, "Please, has Webheads alrea"

RoslynT asks, "dy started?"

BJB says, "no, they haven't, Roz...."

RoslynT says, "I think I had br"

BJB says, "Susanne is eating Lunch and no one else has logged in yet..should be here soon"

RoslynT says, "better apologis."

BJB . o O ( want to try a restart and see if that helps? )

RoslynT says, "I'll try"

BJB [HelpDesk] crosses her fingers for Roz

RoslynT says, "Thanks"

You hear a quiet popping sound; RoslynT has lost her link.

JamesSi has connected.

JamesSi says, "Hi BJ, Hi Susanne"

BJB [HelpDesk] waves hi to James

BJB . o O ( Susanne is finishing up her lunch )

JamesSi asks, "I had a late start this morning, and it's a slow, cold Sunday here in UK. How is it with you, BJ?"

BJB says, "sun isn't up too far yet, but it looks gloomy and foggy out, but not very cold"

BJB says, "I'm still reading today's emails, but am almost finished"

JamesSi asks, "I see that people have been talking about the ethics of logging the chats and using them for research etc. What's your view on this, BJ?"

BJB says, "I think that it is an important issue to discuss! ..."

BJB says, "there are pop up messages in TI that remind you that you may be recorded"

ArthurM has connected.

BJB says, "and every member has a personal it's not like people aren't aware of the fact...but"

JamesSi says, "I'm in the middle of writing an email to webheads explaining my research in some detail and asking what level of consent people would like to have"

BJB says, "none of the TI recordings are posted in a public access place..."

BJB says, "all transcripts are archived where only members of TI can access them"

JamesSi says, "But webheads chats are..."

BJB says, "hi, Arthur"

JamesSi says, "Hello Arthur"

BJB says, "right about the webheads chats...that's where the problem started"

ArthurM says, "Hello from Ireland"

ArthurM waves to eveyone

BJB says, "so Vance has added a disclaimer to the the calendar post reminding people that the dialogue may be posted"

BJB [to Arthur]: "we're discussing privacy and posting of chat logs"

JamesSi says, "My question would be whether people would want to be anonymised, or whether they would like to be asked for written permission to use the chat logs for research."

BJB says, "asking for written permission can be a bit troublesome if you have a large group....but it's been done"

JamesSi says, "Yes, difficult but not impossible."

ArthurM exclaims, "I'll be back later; family duty calls. Bye!"

SusanneN exclaims, "Hi all of you, I am just reading todays' log up to now, back from lunch!"

BJB says, "all you need to do is ask at the beginning or end of a dialogue for people to give permission"

JamesSi says, "That's why I'm sending the email, to canvass opinion on this"

BJB says, "hi, Susanne."

JamesSi says, "Hi Susanne"

BJB says, "it would also be a good topic for today's discussion, James"

You hear a quiet popping sound; ArthurM has disconnected.

SusanneN says, "I think Vance's decision to make a disclaimer on the Webhead site about the public log is a good initiative."

JamesSi says, "Yes. Problems come when, for example, I might want to look at some of the older chats."

BJB says, "right...and if a guest is logged in who isn't registered as a webhead or a TI member, there is no way to find their email to ask for permission"

JamesSi says, "I know the original purpose of the logs was for learners to go back and look at the interaction in more detail..."

JamesSi says, "but I feel I need to explain why I'm investigating this type of discourse, and how innovative and trailblazing Webheads is"

JamesSi says, "(hence what an important thing to research!)"

RoslynT arrives from nowhere.

RoslynT's personal recorder follows RoslynT to here.

BJB says, "one solution would be for Vance to hold the webheads meetings in his office and add an announcer that greets each person as they log in and warns them that the chat is being recorded....or we can meet in the ASO where a similar announcement greets all who enter"

SusanneN exclaims, "Hi roslyn, welcome back!"

BJB [HelpDesk] waves welcome back to Roz

RoslynT says, "Hey, Susanne. I feel good to be talking to you again."

SusanneN says, "Agree, that's why I have tried to make the Webhead sessions move from reception to Vance's office"

BJB [HelpDesk] hopes Roz's connection is better now

RoslynT says, "Hi to the lovely Desk lady."

SusanneN [to RoslynT]: "Me too :-))"

SusanneN says, "Me too, I am not sure about how to get the permission to use the logs (both the Webhead and the other Tapped In logs. But as I am not using the wnole corpus of each log, more like smaller chunks as examples, I think I can get the consent I hope for."

BJB [to Roz]: "we're discussing the liability of recording chats and posting them to the web"

JamesSi says, "Hi Roslyn"

RoslynT asks, "What do you mean, liability? Protocols?"

SusanneN [to RoslynT]: "... and we are discussing how to use our logs for research purposes"

RoslynT says, "Hi, James."

JamesSi says, "Just off grabbing a cup of coffee there"

BJB says, "whenever we post any dialogues to the web in TI we have to get each person's written permission"

JamesSi asks, "Anyone else want coffee?"

BJB [HelpDesk] thanks James..already have some

RoslynT says, "No, thanks, James ... just about bedtime, here."

BJB [HelpDesk] hands Roz a cup of warm cocoa

RoslynT says, "Ah ..."

SusanneN says, "But in Webheads this will probably not be necessary, as Vnace is now putting a note on each webheadpage, saying thqat bour log is public for studying purposes"

SusanneN [having lunch] is having tea after lunch

RoslynT asks, "How is your study going, Susanne?"

SusanneN says, "My study is still in the making :-))"

JamesSi says, "I had originally assumed that because the chats are public (i.e. posted on the webheads website) anyone could do what they want with them. But as I get more involved in this project and in webheads I feel that we should at least be discussing it."

SusanneN says, "I am writing a new startup intro these days that will fit better to my actual scope"

JamesSi asks, "Has anyone seen Lynn Cherny's book about a MOO?"

RoslynT asks, "Fiction or NF?"

JamesSi says, "NF"

BJB asks, "what does Lynn write about, James?"

JamesSi says, "It's called....can't remember... but it's an ethnographic account of a MOO called ElseMoo."

JamesSi says, "She's a linguist and goes into more detail than most about the things I'm interested in"

RoslynT asks, "Is she in the UK or "Else"where?"

BJB says, "I've heard of ElseMOO"

SusanneN says, "NO, I have the High Wired book edited by Haynes and Holmevik, from LuiguaMOO"

JamesSi says, "Turn taking, various discourse features of synchronous text-based CMC."

SusanneN . o O ( linguaMOO )

JamesSi says, "She's in the states, Roz"

RoslynT asks, "Excuse the ignoramus, James ... CMC??"

RoslynT says, "TA"

JamesSi says, "computer-mediated communication"

SusanneN says, "CMC = computer mediated communication"

SusanneN says, "James types faster :-)"

JamesSi says, "sorry about the jargon:-)"

BJB says, "just did a search on ixquick for Lynn Cherny...lots of hits"

RoslynT says, "Not at all. I'm here to learn. This is PD for me (more jargon ... professional development)"

BJB . o O ( she's a prolific writer )

RoslynT says, "BJB, later I must ask you about ixquick"

BJB . o O ( )

SusanneN [to James]: "Did you read the High Wired book? It is about "design, use and theory of educationa MOOs" - and a lot about linguist research issues, too"

JamesSi says, "conversation and community - chat in the virtual world..."

JamesSi says, "is the name of Lynn Cherny's book."

JamesSi [to Susanne]: "no I haven't seen that one yet Susanne. I'll hunt it down"

SusanneN . o O ( Why don't we go upstairs and continue in a closed area?)

BJB says, "looks like Lynn also writes quite a bit about the gender roles of women online"

JamesSi asks, "OK. How do we do that?"

SusanneN says, "Well, BJ, where's vance"

BJB [HelpDesk] wonders if Susanne and James are leaving the webhead chat?

SusanneN says, "Vance's fooice I mean :-)"

BJB says, "Vance is on vacation"

JamesSi says, "Vance is on a 5-day break this week."

SusanneN asks, "No, I just thought we couild have our webhead session in a webhad room, is that a bad idea?"

BJB says, "he asked us regulars to fill in for him"

SusanneN . o O ( fooice =office !!! )

BJB says, "I don't see the problem with meeting in this hour we are not usually interrupted by newbies"

JamesSi says, "Not a bad idea, but where? and how do we get there (James is still a beginner)"

SusanneN exclaims, "OK, then let's stay!"

JamesSi says, "Also, newbies are interesting people."

BJB [HelpDesk] laughs...I kind of like fooice, but I wasn't sure of it's word though

JamesSi says, "Yes, lets stay here."

SusanneN asks, "Or, James would like to know where to find someone's office?"

BJB says, "I do have a recorder running"

BJB holds up a BIG sign: official notice: WE ARE BEING RECORDED :-)

JamesSi says, "That looks a little sinister, BJ :-)"

BJB [HelpDesk] chuckles...not a sinister bone in my body, James!

RoslynT says, "Very clear, though."

JamesSi says, "On second thoughts, you're not whispering it, are you"

JamesSi says, "So not sinister at all"

BJB [to James]: "can you tell us some more about the Lynn Cherny book and why it interested you?"

JamesSi asks, "Ros are you in Hobart?"

SusanneN [to James]: "If you check the list of properties of someone, you'll be able to find the room number, use the /AUDIT Vances command"

RoslynT says, "Yes, that's me."

JamesSi exclaims, "Multi-threaded discourse!"

SusanneN exclaims, "Then, back to the book (s) of shared interest!"

SusanneN [having lunch] agree

RoslynT says, "I'm all ears."

SusanneN exclaims, "Did we just skip our intros today!"

SusanneN looks webhead.

JamesSi says, "Cherny's work is the most comprehensive account of the interesting discourse and linguistic features that emerge from text-based synchronous CMC."

BJB [HelpDesk] hangs her head in shame...yes we did, Susanne

JamesSi says, "She also talks very sensibly about the development of a virtual community."

BJB says, "I should probably mention at some point that TAPPED IN is moving away from moo technology"

BJB says, "a new interface will be introduced in late spring"

JamesSi asks, "What do you mean, BJ?"

BJB says, "but the basic concept of community will continue"

JamesSi asks, "What sort of interface?"

SusanneN asks, "Yes, but TAPPED IN will still have some kind of MOO related features?"

RoslynT asks, "Is it too cluttered or something?"

BJB says, "MOO creates problems with access for some"

RoslynT exclaims, "Don't I know it!"

JamesSi asks, "Will we still be able to chat like this?"

BJB . o O ( schools with filters have a problem accessing TI )

RoslynT says, "I tried to bring my students to my office but I can't get onto this site at all from school."

SusanneN [webhead] listens to everything BJ may have as news about the upcoming changes

BJB [HelpDesk] nods to James...the change will be mostly invisible to the members

RoslynT says, "We don't have a filter that I'm aware of but we don't have the necessary Telnet connection."

SusanneN asks, "It will be a browser based client?"

BJB [HelpDesk] nods to Ros...that's where the problem lies

JamesSi asks, "So what is the difference between MOO technology and the new interface?"

SusanneN [to RoslynT]: "You may have to get some ports opened"

BJB says, "I don't have enough information to answer your questions intelligently"

RoslynT says, "It's rather late in the year, but for next year, that's one tactic to try."

BJB . o O ( I can shoot for ignorance, but I'd rather not )

RoslynT says, "We finish for the Summer holidays in a few weeks."

SusanneN says, "I remember Judi was speaking a little about this at the carnival session, but she had no details to share."

ying has connected.

BJB says, "hi, Ying. Welcome"

SusanneN exclaims, "Ying is among us!"

ying [guest] asks, "Am I late?"

SusanneN [webhead] hugs Ying

JamesSi says, "I'm sure details will emerge in the fullness of time."

ying [guest] says, "No Vance today,"

BJB says, "back to the topic...communities and interaction"

JamesSi asks, "Hello Ying. How are yu?"

SusanneN exclaims, "Late? it is 1:38 pm!"

ying [guest] says, "hugs.."

SusanneN [webhead] grins

RoslynT asks, "Hello Ying. Have we met before? Are you the lady in Taiwan?"

ying [guest] says, "Yes, I am.."

BJB [to Ying [guest]]: "no Vance...he is on holiday. But he asked that we meet and discuss topics of interest to us all"

RoslynT says, "OK. Nice to talk again."

MichaelAC has connected.

SusanneN exclaims, "Vance is having an adventurous hoiday without any computer!"

BJB exclaims, "hi, Mike!"

MichaelAC says, "Hello everyone(To talk, type here and press return)"

JamesSi asks, "Someone else who writes sensibly about virtual communities is Sherry Turkle. Anyone read her?"

ying [guest] asks, "I see... Did he send us email to annoucne that?"

RoslynT says, "Hi Michael. A bit more of the conversation girt by sea, I see."

JamesSi says, "Hi Michael."

ying [guest] says, "hi, Michael..."

SusanneN says, "Hi MIchael from Oz"

BJB says, "I didn't see an email on the webheads list, Ying...he did send me an email."

ying [guest] says, "Oh.. I see..."

MichaelAC exclaims, "I'm just dropping in to say hi tonight...I may not stay lots of work to (other)do!"

ying [guest] asks, "To do your projects?"

BJB [HelpDesk] smirks at Michael...we all have lots of work to do!

JamesSi [to BJ]: "Life on the Screen is the name of her book."

RoslynT says, "Know the feeling ... I'm finishing reports."

MichaelAC says, "ha ha"

ying [guest] says, "I obsess with knitting vest today."

MichaelAC says, "Great flag Rosslyn"

BJB . o O ( but what could be more important than sharing a short hour with your webhead friends? )

SusanneN says, "Yaodong proposed a discussion topic about East meet West, and many Englishes"

MichaelAC says, "good topic"

RoslynT says, "It's a Tassie one... the British look."

BJB says, "something Xue mentioned earlier when we were talking on IM..."

MichaelAC asks, "But where is Yaodong???"

RoslynT says, "In a few weeks I'll be able to make a contribution about Indian English."

JamesSi asks, "Good topic. Is Yaodong here yet?"

SusanneN [to Michael,Ying]: "We are actually discussing MOO and webhead research issues"

MichaelAC says, "Thanks Suanne"

BJB says, "we were talking about how Yaodong brings his classes in and yearns to hear native english speakers.."

SusanneN [to RoslynT]: "When are you heading for India studies?"

RoslynT says, "On Dec 28... very soon."

SusanneN says, "I read about it on your excellent homepage, Ros :-)"

ying [guest] says, "One Canadian told me that for him, Taiwan is a regular place... he felt comfortable here. No culture shark.."

RoslynT says, "Thanks for that lovely supportive remark, Susanne."

MichaelAC asks, "Culture shock?"

ying [guest] says, "Before I go to New york, I don't think that I could answer the question like East meets West..."

ying [guest] says, "He has been to Fuji before... that's a culture shark."

ying [guest] says, "shock."

JamesSi says, "There are a number of Chinese students learning English (for academic purposes) here at Reading who might be very interested in meeting Webheads and Yaodong's students. My colleague Colin is working on getting them used to the idea of chatting with their fingers."

ying [guest] says, "sorry .. for typping mistake."

SusanneN says, "I like the culture shark better - sharks are so brutal :-)"

MichaelAC says, "And culture shock can be brutal"

RoslynT says, "James... Last year I had a number of little Chinese students join my regular high school English lessons. They came to our school for a few weeks, bringing teachers and principal too."

JamesSi says, "I like the idea of the culture shark."

BJB [to James]: "a good idea...written English is a bit different from spoken English"

SusanneN [to James]: "That would be an interesting exchange, Reading students exchanging their experiences with Yaodong's students"

RoslynT says, "I made a webpage for them to express their experiences. Would you like to see it? It's rather humble."

ying [guest] asks, "Chinese students.. which were from China?"

BJB [HelpDesk] nods enthusiastically to Ros

JamesSi [to BJ]: "and written convewrsatin is different again!"

RoslynT says, "Yes, from the Beijing Foreign Language School."

BJB [HelpDesk] agrees with James

SusanneN [to James]: "From where in China do these students come?"

ying [guest] says, "Waaa..."

RoslynT says, "Trying... let's see what I can remember. Excuse me while I find it."

BJB [HelpDesk] wonders why ying is crying?

SusanneN [webhead] waits for Ros to find her URL

JamesSi says, "All over, Susanne. I'm not sure about specific places"

ying [guest] asks, "crying?"

SusanneN says, "OK :-)"

ying [guest] says, "Waaa.. surprise only"

ying [guest] says, "being Surprise.. only."

SusanneN asks, "Crying Waaah?"

BJB [to Ying [guest]]: "waaaa sounds like crying...ahhh, another difference in interpretation"

SusanneN exclaims, "Wow!"

ying [guest] says, "wow"

RoslynT says, "Are you ready? Some of the entries concern our sister school in Japan too."

SusanneN says, "My nephew is three, he is a tiger, saying Waah! (in Danish:-)"

JamesSi says, "We can't see Ying, so we don't know whether she's crying or yelling"

SusanneN [webhead] ready

JamesSi says, "ready"

RoslynT projects the URL:

RoslynT says, "By the way, people, their English wasn't quite that perfect. I was keeping an eye on them and helped them fix up a few phrases and put the punctuation in correctly."

BJB asks, "cool, Ros. Have you been involved/looked at PhilB's Viv@ project?"

JamesSi says, "That's a great little site, Roz"

RoslynT asks, "No, but tell me and I might be interested. Oh... do you mean the French Bakery?"

SusanneN says, "These personal stories are touching."

BJB [HelpDesk] nods...there is now a new part added by a Brazilian group led by Bee

BJB asks, "may I project the url?"

RoslynT says, "Thank you, Susanne. I have been a foreign student so I know how much it means to have a nche, even for one lesson."

RoslynT says, "Please project."

JamesSi says, "project away"

RoslynT says, "Sorry, for the record, that was NICHE."

BJB says, "I suggested to Phil that he might have a place for international students to discuss likes and differences"

SusanneN says, "I like the Brazil Copacabana club of Viv@ village"

BJB [HelpDesk] projects Viv@.

BJB [HelpDesk] projects the URL:

RoslynT smiles - formidable!

SusanneN says, "You'll have to find the sign for going north- west to Copacabana"

RoslynT exclaims, "See you there. Vite!"

mhecker has connected.

JamesSi asks, "Viva is pretty impressive, eh?"

BJB says, "hi, MHecker. Welcome to TAPPED IN"

SusanneN [webhead] got lost in the Amazonas park

BJB [to Mhecker [guest]]: "can we help you with something?"

mhecker [guest] says, "hello, i'm just looking - it's my first time here"

JamesSi says, "Hi mhecker"

BJB [to Mhecker [guest]]: "I'm a teacher in Pennsylvania and a staff for TAPPED IN. Right now the WebHeads group is meeting..."

BJB asks, "are you a teacher, mhecker?"

mhecker [guest] says, "no, a student"

BJB asks, "a student of what, mhecker?"

BJB [HelpDesk] wonders where mhecker is located

RoslynT says, "Hi Mhecker. I'm in Australia. My name is Roslyn."

mhecker [guest] says, "psychology and information technology"

SusanneN says, "This is Susanne from Denmark, a student of education and a helpdesk here in Tapped In."

BJB says, "cool, mhecker, thanks."

mhecker [guest] says, "i'm in germany"

RoslynT asks, "Are you doing your first degree or a Masters or PhD?"

BJB says, "the WebHeads is a group of English language teachers and learners. You might enjoy their conversation"

mhecker [guest] says, "this moo is a project we are evaluating"

JamesSi says, "Hi mhecker. I'm James, an English teacher and research student in Reading, UK"

SusanneN says, "You may even join our conversation :-)"

BJB [to Mhecker [guest]]: "I believe I spoke with a couple of your classmates..did your teacher suggest you come here?"

JamesSi exclaims, "Another researcher!!"

mhecker [guest] says, "he did"

RoslynT asks, "What part of Germany do you live in, MHecker?"

JamesSi says, "I told you that TappedIn was irrisistable :-)"

mhecker [guest] says, "Berlin, Germany"

RoslynT says, "Thanks you."

BJB says, "one of the threads of conversation today was about online communities"

BJB asks, "is that what you are researching, Mhecker?"

mhecker [guest] says, "i'm a bit overcharged"

MichaelAC says, "Folks - I must go. Sorry to be so brief tonight (for me it's night)"

SusanneN asks, "We might get back to that community research thread?"

BJB . o O ( TAPPED IN is a community of practice )

MichaelAC says, "Bye everyone."

RoslynT says, "Susanne, you may be interested to know that our Discover online community has been threatened with closure."

BJB [HelpDesk] waves goodnight to Mike

SusanneN [webhead] waves bye to Michael

You hear a quiet popping sound; MichaelAC has disconnected.

JamesSi says, "Bye Michael"

SusanneN [to Ros]: "really, for what reason?"

mhecker [guest] says, "i don't know what to do first here"

BJB [to Mhecker [guest]]: "you might want to click on DETACH in the middle right of your screen..."

RoslynT says, "I am not aware of that but I would suspect lack of support from teachers. There are only a few of us who use it a lot with students."

BJB says, "that will make your text window larger and easier to read"

BJB [to Mhecker [guest]]: "unless you prefer to go off exploring, which would be fine"

mhecker [guest] says, "i have to read my exercide first"

mhecker [guest] says, "exercise - sorry"

BJB . o O ( if so, use the room drawing and the CAMPUS MAP to move around )

BJB [to Mhecker [guest]]: "let us know if you need any help"

JamesSi [to Mhecker [guest]]: "do you have a specific task to carry out on TappedIn?"

SusanneN [to Mhecker [guest]]: "as it is only a few times a week you'll find activity here during European ahours, I recommned that you stay and join our discussion if you like"

mhecker [guest] says, "thanks"

RoslynT says, "You know what I mean by the Discover community, Susanne, don't you? For the benefit of the others, my employer, the Education Department of Tasmania, established a framework for online usage at"

ying [guest] says, "Sorry, I need to go now."

JamesSi [to MheckerIt's]: "always nice to meet new people"

SusanneN says, "Oh yes, I have read several discussions in your Discover community, Ros :-))"

BJB says, "thanks for joining us, Ying"

ying [guest] says, "see you next time."

JamesSi says, "So soon, Ying."

SusanneN [webhead] waves bye to Ying

ying [guest] says, "bye"

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_46 [guest] has disconnected.

RoslynT) It isn't veryoften there are organised groups online there. It's generally asynchronous.

SusanneN [webhead] nods, I see that is it mostly used by teachers...

SusanneN asks, "but you may explain to the autorities the value for TPD?"

RoslynT says, "Am I being rude, here? There is a STUDENT section too."

RoslynT asks, "HELP! TPD?"

SusanneN says, "Teachers' Professional development :-)"

BJB . o O ( teacher professional development )

mhecker [guest] leaves for the SAC.

BJB [HelpDesk] grins...Susanne wins

SusanneN says, "I was faster"

JamesSi says, "By the way, Vance asked if someone would send the log of this chat to him. Any volunteers? I'll do that if you all agree."

RoslynT says, "Fine by me."

SusanneN exclaims, "Do!"

SusanneN says, "I usually send him an edited log ready to put on the web :-)"

BJB says, "I have the recorder going, James...all we have to do is put the recorder in his office and he can send the script to himself"

BJB . o O ( sounds like we have lots of back-up plans! )

JamesSi says, "I won't worry then"

SusanneN says, "Because the log we get in the mailbox is so clumsy, we tidy it up a bit in a web editor. But if you like, do it this week :-)"

mhecker [guest] has arrived.

RoslynT asks, "Susanne, what web editor do your favour?"

BJB [to Mhecker [guest]]: "any questions?"

RoslynT asks, "Oops again ... do YOU favour?"

JamesSi says, "To get back to the topic of virtual communities...I was wondering how real webheads is for people."

SusanneN says, "I am a macitosh person - so I love PageMill"

mhecker [guest] says, "no, i'm leaving - our group will meet this evening here at 20:00 MET."

SusanneN . o O ( mac IN tosh )

JamesSi asks, "In other words, how much do we miss face-to-face contact?"

BJB [to James]: "have you seen the papers page for TAPPED IN?"

JamesSi says, "Yes I have BJ"

mhecker [guest] leaves for the El.

RoslynT says, "Don't miss it. I love the way the experienced users muse, drink coffee, offer observations. It's very real to me, but then I was a webhead before I joined webheads."

JamesSi says, "I've also read and heard Vnace et al talking about webheads on a number of occasions."

BJB asks, "I think that webheads do not have to worry about missing one of the many ways to communicate..are you familiar with Chris Dede?"

JamesSi says, "no"

SusanneN [webhead] smiles to Ros, the name Webhead is very picturesque

SusanneN says, "Chris dede has an excellent paper abolut multiple learning strategies online"

RoslynT says, "Sounds interesting ..."

BJB says, "chaos navigation tends to touch on a little of everything...Dede says that you need to provide many different ways to give each participant an opportunity to find a voice"

JamesSi says, "My non-webhead friends sometimes cannot see the attraction of this type of interaction. Something to do with the speed of it all, I suspect."

RoslynT says, "BJB, that sounds like a quote Susanne should publish."

SusanneN says, "This is a link for his best paper *Dede, Chris (1999):Using Multiple Interactive Media to Enable Effective Teaching and Learning Technos March, 1999"

JamesSi says, "Thanks Susanne."

BJB asks, "can you project, Susanne?"

SusanneN asks, "I can, ready?"

JamesSi says, "yes"

SusanneN [webhead] projects the URL:

RoslynT says, "It's more than that to me, James. It fits into a context in which I feel free to be myself. I'm not the most comfortable person in live conversations, especially professional ones, but I love to write letters and messages."

BJB [HelpDesk] nods to Ros..exactly Dede's point...we each find our voice in different ways

BJB . o O ( although that doesn't mean that we can't develpe and improve our other ways of communicating )

SusanneN [webhead] agree with Roslyn on this point - I love to have all mty references at hand, my notes and books, and my personal home surroundings - I think I do NOT miss the face to face at all!

BJB says, "same with multiple intelligences"

JamesSi [to Ros]: "does that mean there are a number of different Roslyns?:-)"

BJB [HelpDesk] grins...and a number of different James, probably

SusanneN says, "When it comes to a class situation, I will often wait too long beforeI open my mouth to speak, because i want to be well prepared, or if I jump in spontaneously, I will often feel that I did not get to the core point."

JamesSi says, "An infinite number, BJ"

BJB [HelpDesk] nods solemnly

SusanneN [webhead] smiles to the invisibles

RoslynT says, "In terms of multiple intelligences, the musical one, the interpersonal one, the spiritual one... to some extent. Since I've been so hooked on writing webpages and using the web in my teaching, we are all one and the same, though. Sometimes my family is mad with me for being selfish and sometimes they are proud of me for what I compose and interested in the guests who find my page."

RoslynT says, "Last week we had visitors from Boston way who had found my Macnish page on the internet and got so excited they came to see us half a world away."

JamesSi says, "My problem with synch. chatting is that it is sometimes difficult to reflect on what you are saying and what is being said. By the time you've marshalled your thoughts, the conversation has moved on. This doesn't seem to be a problem is it's all informal (like here) but when it's a virtual conference, or something like that, you sometimes feel you'd like more time to hink."

BJB says, "wow, cool, Ros"

SusanneN asks, "Wow! Did they come, really?"

BJB [to James]: "I also like a bit of reflection time, but I find that talking here lets me find my voice..."

RoslynT says, "Yes. I couldn't prove that they were related but they turned up and we hosted them In fact my parents hosted them too beccause I was at school when they arrived."

SusanneN [to James]: "I think that is an ability that has to be trained, to get back to the ppoint if needed, or to follow up an an email on the mail list, remember one session will not stand alone but is just part of a greater pattern of crossing trajectories"

BJB [HelpDesk] nods to Susanne.

RoslynT asks, "Can I make a professional observation, here (not my strong suit)?"

BJB says, "one of the reasons transcripts are so useful"

JamesSi says, "I agree Susanne. You become accustomed to the speed of it all."

BJB [HelpDesk] listens to Ros

SusanneN says, ":listens to Ros"

JamesSi says, "Go ahead Ros"

RoslynT says, "In my experience some of the academics who speak and write books about the internet don't know the reality of being a webhead or a webauthor."

RoslynT says, "(I could never say this in Australia and I probably shouldn't say it now.)"

SusanneN [to James,]: "you talked earlier today about "speaking through your fingers", that's exactly what I am doing!"

JamesSi says, "I agree Ros. Sometimes the most interesting aspects of this type of communication are very much glossed over."

JamesSi says, "I saw text chat referred to as 'talky writing' once... I like that."

SusanneN [webhead] wonders if you mean that "being a webhead" is more like a state of mind

BJB [to Ros]: "one of the great advantages of TAPPED IN and similar communities is that each person is an important community member"

RoslynT says, "I attended a national conference recently and started off attending anything to do with ICT (Information and communication Technology). I had to stop. I couldn't take them. They made me angry they were so out of touch."

JamesSi asks, "In what way out of touch Ros?"

BJB . o O ( an example might be the guest we just had from Germany... )

BJB asks, "his teacher told him to come here and look...but has the teacher participated in any of the dialogues or community functions?"

BJB . o O ( is this what you were referring to, Ros? )

RoslynT says, "Speakers from universities who were representing webpages as not providing feedback opportunities, for example."

SusanneN exclaims, "I have seen this often, teachers thinkinbg this is some kind of information vendor central!"

SusanneN says, "Roslym many people are not aware of the great potential for the two way communication"

RoslynT says, "Yes, BJB. If a speaker is listed as giving a presentation on the internet, the first thing I do is search for them and see what web resence they have. I'm extremely unimpressed if they have no page or an out-of-date page."

JamesSi says, "Just off to make some tea. Back in a minute, with some thoughts on these interesting and important questions."

SusanneN [webhead] leaves for fresh tea, too :-)

RoslynT says, "I have had my family sites up for only a couple of years but I get letters all the time from people thanking me for sharing my research."

RoslynT says, "That's one reason why the webpublishing is so addictive (webhead - a relative of junkie?)"

BJB says, "that might be a generic definition of webhead, Ros, but I think the WebHeads that Vance leads are more interested in communication and language learning"

BJB . o O ( not so much research based as community based )

RoslynT says, "I appreciate that, too, BJB. That specific Vance definition certainly applies to me."

BJB [HelpDesk] too!

RoslynT says, "I teach English (Language Arts in the USA). I love lots of literature but language is my greatest interest."

JohnSte has arrived.
White Book of Tarkin Ru follows JohnSte to here.

BJB says, "Hi, John. welcome"

JamesSi says, "Hi John"

RoslynT says, "Hello, John."

BJB asks, "are you back in Pennsylvania, John?"

JohnSte says, "Hi, sorry I'm late - my alarm didn't go off and I overslept."

JamesSi says, "A nice cup of tea for me and the lovely Mary, who is relaxing on the sofa with the sunday papers."

JohnSte says, "Yep. I'm back here for a couple of weeks."

SusanneN says, "Waves enthusiastically to John, thank you for the description of you family reunion meal :-)"

BJB [HelpDesk] waves hi to Mary

JohnSte asks, "so, where is everybody else?"

JamesSi says, "I was very impressed with that thanksgiving meal, John."

SusanneN says, "We are a small group today"

JamesSi says, "Your family must have eaten themselves to a standstill :-)"

BJB says, "Vance is on holiday and I think his Asian friends miss him"

JohnSte says, "Thank you. I gained a little weight that day."

BJB holds up a BIG sign: Vance, you are missed!

BJB . o O ( just in case he didn't know )

JohnSte says, "They did. (of course, my brother is at a standstill anyway."

SusanneN exclaims, "Just wait tiil you hear about a Danish Xmas lunch!"

JohnSte says, "Hmmm. and a Puerto Rican xmas dinner."

SusanneN [to John]: "How is your brother, still no better?"

JohnSte says, "He is 200% better."

SusanneN exclaims, "Great to hear that!"

JohnSte says, "Apparently, by controlling his diabetes, his parkinson's has also stopped progressing as fast."

JamesSi exclaims, "I'll be in Spain for Christmas, where I think things are a little more understated than in the UK. But Wales with my parents at new year should see some great meals!"

JohnSte says, "I'll be heading back to Puerto Rico for xmas a week from this coming Tuesday."

JohnSte says, "Class won't be so late for me, then."

JamesSi says, "It's a while since you were in PR, I think, John"

JohnSte says, "I haven't been there since last August."

JohnSte says, "("I want a Hippopotamus for Christmas" is on the radio now.)"

SusanneN says, "My first husband was french, he insisted on spoiling my mom's small kitchen with cooking garlic snails, long boiled chestnuts and other surprising xmas food - they went into a quarrel"

BJB [HelpDesk] wonders at this globe-trotting group

JamesSi says, "Too long to be away. I once worked for a year in Saudi Arabia on a single status contract away from friends and family. It was tough going."

JohnSte says, "I would have, too, Susanne."

BJB . o O ( we'll still be on our little hill in the Enchanted Forest :-) )

JohnSte says, "It is tough going, James."

JohnSte says, "I'll be back in Pennsylvania in late January."

Stopped recording (full) at Sun Dec 2 05:35:04 2001 PST.

BJB says, "recorder is full...think that's a signal that I should go get some chores done and get hubby some breakfast"

JamesSi says, "I heard a song on the radio the other day called 'I want to give my dog to Uncle Sam'. Could be stragner tthan the hippo record."

BJB says, "take care, everyone. Have a good week."

SusanneN says, "I'll be with 2 of my my grandchildren for the christmas tree, in a new family."

BJB [HelpDesk] waves bye

SusanneN [webhead] hugs BJ

JohnSte says, "Probably would be. See you BJB"

BJB looks away.

JamesSi says, "Bye BJ."

RoslynT exclaims, "Thanks for your help at the Helpdesk!"

JohnSte says, "I'll be with mine, too, Susanne."

JamesSi says, "I think I should go as well. It's been great chatting to you all today."

JohnSte says, "OK, James. See you next week."

SusanneN says, "Yes, and I think John will like our script about research issues :-)"

JohnSte says, "I probably will."

JamesSi says, "By the way, I'm showing some colleagues around tappedin on Wednesday 4.30ish GMT if anyone wants to join us."

SusanneN [to John]: "would you like to see my little granddaughters at the age of 2 months?"

BJB [to John]: "type /mailme 2001/12/02"

JamesSi says, "4.30pm, that is"

SusanneN exclaims, "Oh, good for reminding me, James, I'll be ready!"

JohnSte says, "I plan to be there (it's 11:30 am my time)."

BJB says, "that will give you the script from this webheads meeting"

JamesSi says, "Bye all"

SusanneN says, "Bye, James"

RoslynT says, "I have enjoyed it too. Bye, James."

JohnSte says, "Yes, susanne, I would."

RoslynT asks, "Susanne, are we still on Webheads time officially?"

SusanneN [webhead] grins, I hoped you would - ready for a projection?

You hear a quiet popping sound; JamesSi [Webhead] has disconnected. 05:38:48 2001 PST.

JohnSte says, "If you want to see my family, they can be found at"

JohnSte says, "yep."

SusanneN asks, "Oh you still here, Ros?"

SusanneN asks, "Wanna see my babies?"

RoslynT says, "Yes, I'm here. I'd love to see them."

SusanneN says, "ok"

SusanneN [webhead] projects the URL: http://ho

JohnSte says, "Very pretty. But they look like they are going to be fighting."

RoslynT exclaims, "How beautiful!"

SusanneN says, "Cecilie is the older by five minutes, she's the fighting type"

JohnSte says, "Seems like it."

SusanneN says, "Nicoline is just busy eating and growing"

RoslynT says, "John, all I saw was contentment and cleanliness, not to mention LIFE."

JohnSte says, "Actually, it looks like the older one is waking up and stretching (like a cat)."

SusanneN [webhead] listen to Ros' life experiences

SusanneN asks, "Oh you mean the babies, are clean and content?"

JohnSte says, "Grandchildren are better than children, though."

RoslynT asks, "Do you mean, when my children were babies could I have created a photograph so romantic and pure?"

SusanneN says, "They prefer to be aside, not to be separated at all."

SusanneN says, "I like to compose pretty photos :-)"

JohnSte says, "I never could get my children to pose when they were so young."

SusanneN exclaims, "I think they were dressed up in fine clothes for their mother's birthday!"

RoslynT says, "Mine were as pretty as possible but never as pretty as that, Susanne. Perhaps when I'm a Grandma..."

SusanneN says, "I just started to take pictures some years ago, and I have become passionate on getting real portaits, my family think I am rude, sometimes, but they acknowledge the quality of the photos. I took about ten shots to get this onn."

JohnSte asks, "So, what do you do with the ones you don't use?"

RoslynT exclaims, "Well done!"

SusanneN says, "I just borrowed a scanner some weeks ago, and have spent some time learning to manage the software, so I plan to put more on the web :-)"

SusanneN says, "I give them to my son but I have chosen this one to be the best one."

JohnSte says, "I don't have any recent photos on my site. They are all a couple of years old."

JohnSte says, "(my grandson turns 2 tomorrow."

SusanneN says, "I have thousands of pictures, it is sometimes hard to decide for a choice"

SusanneN asks, "What are the names of your grandchildren, John?"

SusanneN exclaims, "You will need a fresh picture of a 2 year old grandson - they grow quickly!"

JohnSte says, "My granddaughter is Genevieve Marie and my grandson is Roy Jerome."

SusanneN exclaims, "Wow!"

SusanneN asks, "Whay do they CALL the girl?"

JohnSte says, "Yep. And his cousin is going to be 4 in six months."

DavidW has connected.

DavidW waves to BJB [away], SusanneN [webhead], RoslynT, and JohnSte [Webhead].

DavidW says, "Hi there"

JohnSte says, "They call the girl Genie."

JohnSte says, "Hi, David."

SusanneN exclaims, "Hi, David!"

DavidW [to JohnSte]: "Hi"

RoslynT says, "My daughter is Bridget Genevieve. I have just found her picture on the web, if you want to see her, Susanne."

DavidW hugs SusanneN [webhead].

RoslynT says, "Hello, David."

JohnSte says, "My mother was Genevieve."

DavidW [to RoslynT]: "Hi. My grandmother's name was Roslyn"

SusanneN says, "Cannot wait to see Ros' daughter on the web"

RoslynT says, "Here she comes..."

RoslynT projects the URL: Arthur M has connected.

RoslynT says, "Hi there, Arthur."

ArthurM says, "Hello from Ireland"

JohnSte says, "Hi, Arthur."

RoslynT says, "I'm just explaining to Susanne which one of those fine Tasmanians is my daughter. She's in a blue top, in the centre of the bottom right photo and wearing a Grecian headdress in the top left."

JohnSte says, "Very pretty daughters, Ros."

RoslynT asks, "Hello, Arthur. Where do you look for you in Ireland?"

JohnSte says, "Oh, I thought that was you."

ArthurM says, "Belfast. I teach at the university of ulster"

ArthurM says, "I wasd in EFL for 15 years"

RoslynT says, "My husband's Teirney ancestors come from Ulster, Arthur, from Co Cavan."

ArthurM says, "I am very keen on genealogy, Rosyn"

ArthurM says, "sorry, Roslyn"

RoslynT says, "Great - so am I."

JohnSte says, "I'm not sure what part of Ireland my father's family is from."

RoslynT asks, "Why are you sorry?"

SusanneN says, "Lovely girls, all of them"

JohnSte says, "My mother's family is from France."

ArthurM says, "I have a small site on my home page to introduce family hisotry resources and techniques"

RoslynT says, "[to Susanne] Bridget's best friend, Lindsey, is away in Germany on exchange at the moment. When she left we made her this webpage but it's hardly been used since her farewell party."

JohnSte says, "I'm sort of interested in Geneology. But my younger brother is the family geneologist."

SusanneN says, "Actually, I like to find out about our ancestors, but I never put any of in on the web - I have seen both of you have done a lot of research on genealogy"

RoslynT says, "Please tell us the URL"

ArthurM says, " then click on "family history""

RoslynT smiles

SusanneN says, "I am so lucky that our ancestors did a lot of the work for us - I just have to read the stuff :-)"

DavidW looks breakfast.

JohnSte says, "That would be much better."

SusanneN says, "Enjoy the food, david"

ArthurM says, "I'm cooking lunch :-)"

JohnSte says, "I'm eating breakfast while typing, too, David."

RoslynT says, "One of my friend said I have spoiled it for my kids by doing so much. I've taken the fun out of it for the others, he said."

DavidW says, "I'm listening to my sister explain how she is tutoring her own children and the college student who is living with them."

DavidW says, "She's a busy sister"

SusanneN says, "I can see that all our ancestors came from Denmark or Norway, in many generations."

DavidW [breakfast] grins.

DavidW . o O ( Latvia and eastern Europw for me. )

SusanneN [to DavidW]: "you're lucky to have such a busy tutoring sister"

JohnSte says, "Ireland and France, for me."

ArthurM exclaims, "I must leave now - great meeting everyone here! Have a good week!"

SusanneN says, "Latvia has many interesting cultural traditions, and I love to read their names"

RoslynT says, "Arthur, if you are interested, my sites are the first few links on this page:"

JohnSte says, "OK, see you, arthur."

SusanneN says, "Bye, Arthur"

RoslynT says, "See you later, Arthur."

ArthurM says, "Thanks Roslyn, I'll look later"

ArthurM says, "Bye"

SusanneN says, "I think I' ll have to leave now, too. I enjoyed today's Webhead even if we missed the real EFL students"

RoslynT says, "Will you excuse me, Susanne and others. I have to go to work tomorrow. Bye and thanks so much."

SusanneN [webhead] grins

You hear a quiet popping sound; ArthurM has disconnected. JohnSte says, "Well, see you later. Sorry I got here so late."

SusanneN says, "Goodnight Ros"

SusanneN [webhead] hugs Roslyn

JohnSte says, "G'night Ros."

RoslynT says, "Goodnight all."

SusanneN exclaims, "It was so good to see you back here!"

RoslynT hugs Susanne back - You're changing me, Suanne. I'm not usually the huggy type.

JohnSte asks, "Why do gorillas have big nostrils?"

SusanneN says, "Well, a virtual hug does no harm :-)"

RoslynT says, "It was a lovely hug. Thank you for a happy and enlightening conversation tonight."

JohnSte says, "Because they have big fingers"

SusanneN [webhead] hope to see you soon again

JohnSte says, "See you next week, Ros."

SusanneN [webhead] peels her nose in stunning reflection

RoslynT says, "Maybe. I'm going to do my best to support the DOWNUNDER session - Friday eve for you, Sat morning for me - next weekend."

SusanneN asks, "Did you know that human ears grow when they age?"

JohnSte says, "ok."

RoslynT says, "Goodnight."

SusanneN [webhead] waves bye

JohnSte says, "No, I didn't"

DavidW says, "My ears are bigger"

DavidW [breakfast] waves to SusanneN [webhead].

SusanneN says, "It is not even a joke, but the bigger ear will compensate for a loss of hearing"

You hear a quiet popping sound; RoslynT has disconnected.

DavidW [breakfast] grins.

SusanneN [to DavidW]: "you are not even old enough"

JohnSte asks, "Really?"

DavidW . o O ( Rats! )

DavidW says, "Still not old enough? I feel old enough..."

SusanneN says, "Well, it is a theory"

DavidW says, "A theory which is mine..."

DavidW laughs.

DavidW . o O ( Monty Python )

SusanneN [to John]: "some time ago you were talking about we had to talk research, did you have anything specific in mind?"

DavidW [to JohnSte]: "I'm in Bucks County as I type"

DavidW . o O ( IUP, huh? )

JohnSte says, "Actually, it has been taken care of already."

SusanneN says, "We missed you today, John - as we actually turned to talk about research consent issues and literature"

DavidW says, "Good luck with your dissertation"

JohnSte says, "Yep, IUP, David."

SusanneN says, "Ok"

SusanneN says, "You will see our discussion in the script."

JohnSte says, "I should be turning it in next Monday (a week from tomorrow)."

DavidW says, "Well, extra good luck, then."

JohnSte says, "I was wondering about calling a chapter where I describe Webheads "Controlled Chaos", but have opted for "Cocktail Party" instead."

DavidW likes that idea.

SusanneN says, "Oh, that far! I will look forward to read and comment it as soon as you wish"

JohnSte says, "Thank you, David. I will defend in February."

DavidW [to JohnSte]: "Where are you from originially? I was born in New York City"

JohnSte says, "I hope to have it on my website as soon as it is defenced."

DavidW exclaims, "Cool!"

SusanneN says, "Please use that phrase if you like, I was not the one who actually invented the idea of chaos navigation"

JohnSte says, "I was born in St. Louis and raised in a small town just south of there."

SusanneN asks, "When and where will you defend it, do you know the date yet?"

DavidW . o O ( Show-Me )

DavidW says, "I've seen the arch from E. St. Louis but have never been to the Gateway City"

DavidW says, "I would like to visit, though"

JohnSte says, "My advisor is hoping for the week of Feb 4. But the defense window doesn't open until Feb 11."

SusanneN says, "We'll cross fingers :-)"

JohnSte says, "I was there for Thanksgiving. It is not really my favorite city."

JohnSte says, "Thank you, Sus."

DavidW understands.

JohnSte says, "I much prefer Denver."

DavidW says, "My favorite fountain pen is from Denver"

DavidW prefers Boulder, Colorado.

JohnSte says, "Although I really don't like cities that much. I'm a small town type, myself."

DavidW nods.

JohnSte says, "It has really been a strange autumn here."

DavidW says, "Amazingly warm - all the heat from the World Trade Center fires, which are STILL burning"

JohnSte says, "The grass is actually greener than it was when I came in August."

JohnSte says, "It must be that. I was actually out in a tee shirt the other day."

DavidW says, "My folks were in Israel this weekend, for a funeral. Two suicide bombers went off last night causing another nightmare"

JohnSte says, "I heard about that on the news last night."

DavidW says, "Pretty gruesome"

SusanneN [webhead] have noit heard any news lately, what happened?

JohnSte says, "Horrible. I wish people would just stop trying to kill each other."

JohnSte says, "As David said, two suicide bombers in Jerusalem."

DavidW agrees.

DavidW says, "I must admit to not knowing what it would be like to blow oneself up for a cause"

DavidW says, " see things as THAT hopeless"

JohnSte says, "I can't see it, either, David."

DavidW shakes his head.

SusanneN says, "No, but I am reading a story about Karthago in the ancient days, warriors were ready to fight with their lives at risk"

JohnSte says, "Yes, but at least they had a fighting chance to live."

JohnSte says, "if you blow yourself up, you don't have a chance."

SusanneN says, "I mean, traditional warfare incsudes a risk of getting hurt or killed. Only the hypertechnical war machinery can prevent most soldiers from risk"

DavidW says, "Lots of things require risk-taking"

JohnSte says, "Even some fun things."

SusanneN says, "Well, what's the difference, I would not even be ready to run that risk."

JohnSte says, "like climbing mountains."

DavidW . o O ( technical climbing? )

JohnSte asks, "What is technical climbing?"

DavidW says, "Ropes, pitons, etc."

JohnSte says, "Yep. Even that is risky."

DavidW says, "Of course"

JohnSte says, "The piton might not hold."

DavidW nods.

SusanneN says, "Iwanted to show you an extraordinary Danish education called the KaosPilots website (has nothing to do with mountain climbing - but with entrepreneurship and risk taking)"

JohnSte says, "The rope might break."

DavidW listens to SusanneN [webhead].

JohnSte says, "Go ahead, Sus."

SusanneN [webhead] projects the URL: http://www.kaospi

JohnSte says, "Hmmm, that reminds me of a convention I went to as a teenager. We partied in the toilet, too."

DavidW laughs.

SusanneN [webhead] grins this is typical for students of Aarhus (Our second largest city)

JohnSte says, "My older brother was with the St. Louis police, and when he got off duty he came to the party."

DavidW exclaims, "Way to go, Danish students!"

JohnSte says, "He walked in, shouted "This is a raid"."

SusanneN says, "They have a very special humor, that we from Copenhagen do not always follow"

DavidW thinks he like JohnSte [Webhead]'s older brother.

JohnSte says, "All us under-age drinkers tried hiding in the bathroom (48 of us."

SusanneN says, "This education is also a very Aarhusiansk project"

DavidW asks, "Set a record, didn't you?"

JohnSte says, "He was a lot of fun back then."

DavidW says, "Be right back"

JohnSte says, "ok."

SusanneN [webhead] sounds like a lot of childish fun

JohnSte says, "Well, at that age, what can you expect."

SusanneN says, "We had some wild parties, too"

DavidW asks, "What age was that?"

JohnSte says, "But I don't see, in the article, where they say it was in the toilets."

JohnSte says, "I was about 16 or 17, David."

DavidW says, "Sadly, I've never seem to have been a wild partier."

JohnSte says, "We once got the dean bombed out of his mind on a mixture we made (in college)."

DavidW says, "I was too socially awkward then."

JohnSte says, "I had the nickname of "party animal"."

DavidW says, "Pretty impressive to get the Dean bombed"

DavidW asks, "What year did you finish high school, John?"

DavidW . o O ( 1977, for me. )

JohnSte says, "Yep. We served him a mix that was based on Everclear (190 proof alchohol)."

JohnSte says, "1967 for me."

DavidW laughs.

DavidW says, "I was a chemistry major, we had 200 proof alcohol"

JohnSte says, "But I bet you never drank it."

DavidW grins mischievously.

DavidW says, "Nope, it was denatured"

SusanneN asks, "At what age do you finish HIgh school, after how many years of school?"

DavidW says, "Bad stuff in it. I'm not a good drunk. One glass of beer on an empty stomach and I'm woozy"

DavidW . o O ( 18 )

JohnSte says, "I was 18 when I graduated - 13 years of school counting Kindergarten."

DavidW agrees.

JohnSte says, "Then, after 2 years of college, I went in the Navy.

After I got out, I went back to school and graduated with my BA when I was 26."

SusanneN says, "Ok - - we do not count kindergarten - after 12 or 13 years of school you may get Studentereksamen after three years of Gymnasium"

DavidW says, "I'm going to help my sister make breakfast, so I'll talk to you both later."

JohnSte says, "I finished my MA when I was 28-29,"

JohnSte says, "OK, David."

DavidW says, "Good speaking with you, John."

SusanneN says, "I was 20, and then I passed my summer holiday in a festival camp much like Woodstock"

JohnSte says, "And now when I am 53, I'll be finishing my Ph.D."

DavidW would like to see SusanneN [webhead] at 20.

SusanneN says, "Scroll down to see a picture"

DavidW says, "That sonds good to me."

DavidW grins.

DavidW says, "See you both"

SusanneN says, "Not of me, but from that festival"

DavidW waves to BJB [away], SusanneN [webhead], and JohnSte [Webhead].

DavidW hugs SusanneN [webhead].

SusanneN [webhead] projects the URL:


DavidW says, "Ciao"

JohnSte says, "OK. See, you, David."

You hear a quiet popping sound; DavidW has disconnected.

SusanneN says, "I know there are some better pictures on the net - but I cannot find them."

JohnSte asks, "So, that is what you looked like?"

JohnSte says, "How about me, last summer."

SusanneN says, "Yes, that could have beem someone like me :-)"

SusanneN says, "It was a wild time :-)"

SusanneN asks, "What about you. last summer?"

JohnSte asks, "I think I have the correct URL, here. Shall I project it?"

SusanneN says, "Pls"

JohnSte [Webhead] projects the URL:

SusanneN says, "hahaha"

JohnSte says, "That's me in the flowery shorts."

SusanneN says, "KOOL"

JohnSte says, "That is my dress clothes as a professor."

SusanneN asks, "Was it a summer beach party, or what?"

SusanneN says, "Really, a nice and relaxed dress code"

JohnSte says, "It was supposed to be thefinal activity on a caribbean cruise."

SusanneN says, "Hawaiian outlook"

JohnSte says, "I was the "cruise director" and the girl next to me is my "teenage daughter"."

SusanneN [webhead] nods, a cruise, sounds luxurious

JohnSte says, "We're fighting about my choice in clothing."

SusanneN says, "Lovely young woman"

SusanneN asks, "She disliked your outfit?"

JohnSte says, "She was one of the tutors."

JohnSte says, "She claimed it was embarrassing to her."

JohnSte says, "You know how daughters are."

SusanneN says, "Sometimes My kids have said similar things to me"

SusanneN says, "yes"

JohnSte says, "Meanwhile, my real daughter was in the audience (taking the picture)."

SusanneN says, "Once I had a fake leopard hat..."

JohnSte says, "The teacher off to one side was disowned by her daughter that day."

SusanneN says, "My daughter told me it was for a hooker"

JohnSte asks, "Really?"

SusanneN [webhead] grins

JohnSte says, "lol"

SusanneN says, "I had to put it away when she was home :-)"

JohnSte says, "I would have worn it just to get on her nerves."

SusanneN says, "I did so when I was younger, I had strange hats to tease my teachers at school"

JohnSte asks, "What is more fun than embarrassing your children?"

JohnSte asks, "how about this set of pictures?"

JohnSte [Webhead] projects the URL: http://www.geocit

SusanneN says, "Well, I think my kids had their reasons to be embarrased without me wearing weird hats"

JohnSte says, "Sheeee, I forgot how graphics heavy this was."

SusanneN asks, "I wonder why I do get the text only - the pictures are not showing ?"

JohnSte says, "hmmm. Maybe because it is so graphics heavy? Try refresh."

SusanneN says, "I'll be patient, they're still loading"

JohnSte says, "This is my family picutes site. One is dedicated to my wife and daughters, one to my grandchildren and two to general family pictures."

SusanneN [webhead] nods

SusanneN says, "They're still loading, I only see Kathy asking you to put the camera away"

JohnSte says, "These are pictures that I scanned and put up about a year ago."

JohnSte asks, "hmmm. How fast is your computer?"

SusanneN says, "I think I will put a link for each picture on my photo site, and then let each picture stay single for the speed"

JohnSte says, "That is probably better. That is what I should have done the first time."

SusanneN says, "Fast??? It is slow and short of memory - but I have a fast ADSL connection"

JohnSte says, "The site, itself, is"

JohnSte says, "Then you can just click on the links."

SusanneN says, "It takes a lot of time to learn how to do these things the better way"

SusanneN says, "OK - I'll try"

JohnSte says, "It sure does. My next project (after finishing my Ph.D., is to transfer the Online ESL Palace from Geocities to Prohosting."

(Susanne is cut off and has lo login again - so she did not get John's message about the ESL Palace)

SusanneN says, "Ha - I was cut off, Just wanted to say goodbye :-)"

JohnSte says, "Sorry, about knocking you offline."

JohnSte says, "OK. See you next week."

JohnSte says, "I need to get back to work, too."

SusanneN [webhead] smiles, I'd better get outdoor, it is soon dark!

JohnSte says, "Have fun."

SusanneN says, "Yes, we are spending a lot of time on this :-)"

SusanneN says, "Bye, and good luck"

JohnSte says, "Thank you, and you too."

SusanneN [webhead] waves and leaves

You hear a quiet popping sound; SusanneN has disconnected.

Disconnected from TAPPED IN on Sun Dec 2 06:47:57 2001 PST.

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Thanks to BJB who dropped a recorder for me, and James who sent me his Tapped In log as promised, so that this session could be archived, and Susanne who sent the 'last part' - Vance

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