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Webheads chat logs from November 18, 2001

Meet the people in the chat today

Vance Maggi Michael John Ying Lan Susanne Yaodong Sue BJB Nicia
UAE Germany Australia Pennsylvania Taiwan Denmark Liuzhou, PRC Japan Pennsylvania Brazil

in France
, James, Roslyn, Dan, and Arthur

Find where everyone first joined the chat: Yaodong and Vance| John | BJB | Roslyn | Susanne | Dan | Maggi | James | Ying Lan | Michael | Sue | Arthur | Phil | Nicia

For most people in the chat today, the navigation was not too chaotic. Only Vance was under any kind of pressure, meeting with Yaodong and his students in China via MSN and Yahoo instant messengers, and joined in Yahoo by BJB, Ying Lan, and James, where we were able to hear voices and broadcast webcams. Other than that, we met in Tapped In, where we met Roslyn from Tasmania, who joined Webheads soon thereafter. Ying Lan had a problem with a teacher in Taiwan who did not behave professionally toward her, causing a lot of discussion among the teachers present. BJ showed us her picture (at last) and Arthur McKeown, whom you can find out more about at (now I know why he greeted me in Arabic). We also discussed the ratio of native speakers to non-native speakers in our class, and how people benefit from Webheads whether native or non-native speakers of English.

Susanne's comments: We met yesterday for the engaged Webheaded and quite typical discussion about dating cultures and tolerance. for those of you who were not present, just wait till you see the log! There may be lots of stuff for more discussions.

First of all, welcome Roslyn to our Webhead community, and thank you for the link to this discussion about online language. ML/000006.html

As Cecilie telles in a posting a little about Tapped In and Webheads, I felt inspired to write some more about our online class. Actually, it was fun to try and explain the Webhead experience in an asynchronous longer posting; I remember trying at one of the direct online Webhead conferences with lilttle success; this time I feel a better covering of what is the actual purpose with the Webhead group. Scroll down to (possibly one of the latest ) postings in the above discussion bard (free and instant registration) and see for yourselves, please add anything of relevance if I forgot some important details?

Note: Roslyn wrote back and told us she was Cicilie!

<Top> Yaodong on MSN Messenger | The text side to Yahoo VOICE and webcam chat | Tapped In chat logs | Nicia on ICQ

Yaodong on MSN Messenger

Yaodong found Vance on MSN Messenger at about 11:30 GMT ...

Yaodong: hello,Vance!

Vance says: hello

Yaodong: what is the topic today for webheads chat?

Vance says: how is Liuzhou today ...

Vance says: topic today? what do you want to discuss?

Yaodong: a fine day. beautiful here!

Yaodong: well, my students will listen to anything you have.

Yaodong: any other webheads online today?

Vance says: ok, I'm starting up Yahoo now

Vance says: they should be online today ...

Yaodong: good!

Vance says: I'm trying to get my web cam going

Yaodong: great!

Yaodong: I will talk to my students for some time aboutother websites for reading online. i will come back to you when you are ready. ok?

Vance says: ok, we can talk about websites for reading

Yaodong: in 20 minutes,ok?

Vance says: fine. See you then

Yaodong: see you.

Yaodong: hi,Vance! still there?

Vance says: Hi. Yeah, we're at tapped in. Wanna come there?

Yaodong: not now. i am talking about to my students a tthe moment.

Vance says: I'll check it out

Yaodong: ok.

Vance says: 200 free exercises .. any good ones?

Yaodong: some ar egood.

Vance says: which ones do your students like?

Yaodong: text exercise/what do you think i s good?

Vance says: I haven't tried any, so you are the expert!

Yaodong: thanks. I am learning myself.

Vance says: We are going to talk about webpages for reading in Tapped in if you'd like to join us.

Yaodong: but my students have not learned anything about MOOring.

Vance says: ok, well, shall we display a web cam for them?

Yaodong: that is good idea!

Yaodong: some of my students have seen you yet

Vance says: ok, on Yahoo of course

Yaodong: thank you so much

Yaodong: but today we are behind firewall. is it possiblefor us to see/hear you?

Vance says: we'll try ..

Vance says: can you Yahoo me? You're 'in class'

Yaodong: ok.

Yaodong: but we cannot see you on yahoo.

Vance says: can't hear either?

Yaodong: we are listening to your voice on

Vance says: excellent. Add some messages, PLEASE!

Yaodong: indeed,they are so good. we are listeningto a sample lesson by Donovan

Vance says: oh, what kind of lesson?

Yaodong: pronunciation.

Yaodong: we are watching online movie now.//we have movie time each sunday.

Vance says: sounds like an interesting class

Yaodong: I am showing my students 'the Painted Hill'//have U seen it?

Vance says: no, I haven't

Yaodong: it is great film about how a dog loved its owner.

Vance says: what kinds of activities do you do for after the film?

<Top> Yaodong on MSN Messenger | The text side to Yahoo VOICE and webcam chat | Tapped In chat logs | Nicia on ICQ

The text side to Yahoo VOICE and webcam chat

As I was saving these logs, Yahoo crashed. I had overloaded my laptop with web cam and voice chatting, and when I shut off my dialup connection, the voice server froze, and in trying to end that task, all my Yahoo chat windows were closed before I was able to save them. So I wrote down what we did:

This part of the chat developed while most of the participants were meeting in Tapped In. Yaodong was talking to me in MSN Messenger from Liuzhou, China (above). He said he didn't want to join us in Tapped In because his students were not familiar with MOOs. So I suggested we meet in Yahoo for play with voice chat and web cam.

Yaodong agreed to this, and I connected my laptop on a dialup. I soon found Yaodong on Yahoo and started broadcasting my web cam. I told the people in Tapped In that if they wanted to join us they could.

Yaodong had meanwhile started a voice conference, and when I accepted I found both Yaodong and BJ there. When I asked if they could hear me, BJ said she could both see and hear me, but Yaodong was unable to do either. He was behind a firewall and had anticipated problems. As he apparently had some students with him and needed to use his time efficiently he left the voice chat.

Thinking he might simply be suffering connection problems, I went to add him to the conference. While there I saw Ying Lan and James Simpson. James had meanwhile joined us in Tapped In as did Ying Lan shortly thereafter. I got them both in but was unable to hear Ying Lan. I don't know if Ying Lan could hear me, but BJ was able to hear Ying Lan, and complimented her on her beautiful voice. James meanwhile had opened a separate chat with me where he was telling me that he was able to view my web cam.

James had to go however, and Ying Lan was by now interacting in Tapped In, so I decided to shut my web cam down and reclaim the phone line. Unfortunately I did this in the wrong order, phone line first. The voice server told me it had lost functionality, and then froze all my Yahoo windows. Eventually I pressed ctrl-alt-del and shut them down to regain control over my computer, but lost my record of the interactions in the process.

<Top> Yaodong on MSN Messenger | The text side to Yahoo VOICE and webcam chat | Tapped In chat logs | Nicia on ICQ

Tapped In chat logs

Connected to TAPPED IN on Sun Nov 18 03:16:37 2001 PST.

VanceS teleports to the reception.

Stopped recording in VanceS's Office (#12249) at Sun Nov 18 03:36:08 2001 PST.

Started recording in Reception (#268)[TappedIn] at Sun Nov 18 03:36:08 2001 PST.

JohnSte says, "The ones I saw only left trails for a second or two."

BJB [HelpDesk] waves hi to Vance

JohnSte says, "Hi, Vance. We had a storm over hear."

JohnSte says, "a meteor storm, that is."

BJB [to John]: "I hope you made wishes on the ones you saw"

VanceS asks, "hi, a storm?"

JohnSte says, "Actually, I forgot to."

JohnSte says, "Yes, the Leonids were this morning."

JohnSte says, "After class I'm going to see if I can get a couple of hours sleep."

You hear a quiet popping sound; VanceS [Webheaded] has disconnected.

Disconnected from TAPPED IN on Sun Nov 18 03:39:45 2001 PST.

Connected to TAPPED IN on Sun Nov 18 03:41:05 2001 PST.

JohnSte says, "I'm falling asleep. and 10 cups of coffee during the night isn't helping any."

BJB says, "welcome back, Vance"

VanceS asks, "hi. How'd that happen?"

JohnSte asks, "Having problems, Vance?"

BJB [to John]: "I went back to bed after watching the meteiors"

JohnSte says, "I was too busy to go back to bed. I checked at 2:00, 3:30, and 4:15."

JohnSte says, "The best were at 3:30."

VanceS says, "so you saw a meteor shower there? Sounds nice."

JohnSte says, "I never realized there was so much light pollution in this small town."

JohnSte says, "It was pretty nice. I haven't seen one in years."

JohnSte says, "Back home I would refuse to get up so early just to see some meteors."

VanceS says, "Yaodong wants to talk about websites for reading today"

BJB says, "I'll check my resources"

JohnSte says, "Tuesday I'll be heading off to St. Louis. Then I'll be driving back Sunday morning."

JohnSte says, "I'll see what I can find on reading."

JohnSte says, "I don't know if he can get onto the NIFL list there or not, but they usually have a lot on the topic."

VanceS says, "I've got a few resources, for one"

JohnSte says, "Most of my reading links are in my favorites folder back home. I have a couple that look like they might be a bit intersting, though."

BJB says, "some good ones here, even if it's on the K-3 resources page:"

VanceS says, "cool. I've been trying to get my web cam working on my desktop."

VanceS says, "just got it going on my laptop"

VanceS says, "I guess I'll just turn it on on-demand. That's on a phone line."

JohnSte asks, "What does he want on reading - theory? reading selections?"

VanceS asks, "anyone interested or should i switch it off?"

JohnSte asks, "Are you a pretty young woman?"

VanceS asks, "I don't know. He was with a class of students and said he'd be back in a while, he was going to talk to them about websites for reading?"

VanceS says, "BJB, John wants to know if you're a pretty young woman."

BJB exclaims, "Yaodong teaches college age students...I'm an old bat!"

RoslynT has connected.

BJB exclaims, "hi, Roslyn. Welcome!"

VanceS says, "hi Roslyn"

JohnSte says, "In that case I don't think I'll check the web cam."

JohnSte says, "Hi, Roslyn."

BJB says, "Roslyn is one of the newest members of TAPPED IN."

RoslynT says, "Hello, everybody."

JohnSte says, "Welcome, Roslyn."

RoslynT says, "Back to practise some more. It's 10.30pm or so here in Tasmania."

BJB [to RoslynT]: "We're about to start the Webheads discussion group..can you introduce yourself to Vance and John?"

VanceS asks, "How do I make one of those calling cards I can produce as needed?"

RoslynT says, "Hello Vance. I've been to your page. In fact I think it was from your page I first came to Tapped in."

JohnSte says, "Here it is almost 7:00 am."

BJB [to VanceS]: "that's a note? Click on NEW NOTE at the top of your screen"

JohnSte [Webhead] projects JohnSte [Webhead].


A 52 year old college professor wearing tropical shorts and shirt. He is a full professor at the University of Puerto Rico at Aguadilla where he teaches ESL writing and teacher education courses. He is also the owner of the Online ESL Palace. Currently, he is on sabbatical at Indiana University of Pennsylvania where he is writing his dissertation on the use of the Internet for offering ESL/EFL courses.




RoslynT says, "Hi John. I'm an Australian English teacher at Ogilvie High School (all girls). I teach Grades 7, 8 and 10 this year."

JohnSte asks, "I just projected my information - did you get it?"

RoslynT says, "If you wish to find out more about me, I have a web presence at"

VanceS exclaims, "That's a different one from the Halloween party !"

RoslynT says, "Thanks. I'm not up to projecting info yet."

BJB says, "If the text scrolls too fast, Roslyn, click on DETACH in the middle right of your screen"

VanceS says, "I'm"

RoslynT says, "I already have, BJB."

BJB [HelpDesk] nods to Roslyn

JohnSte says, "I visited the sight at Ogilvie the other day. You can find out more about me at"

RoslynT says, "Thanks, Vance. I think I went to a different URL - webheads."

RoslynT asks, "How did you know about Ogilvie???"

RoslynT says, "Thanks John."

JohnSte says, "or at"

RoslynT exclaims, "Wow!"

JohnSte says, "I ran across it at a site Vance put up."

RoslynT asks, "Which site was that, Vance? Can you recall?"

JohnSte says, "Nope, it was from a list - something about a lesson we could see about India."

VanceS asks, "which site was what? Something about India?"

RoslynT says, "Great - probably my intro on MeetMe list, then. I wrote a unit about India for my Gr 8 English (Language Arts) students."

RoslynT says, ""

JohnSte says, "Come to think of it, that is exactly what it was."

RoslynT says, "All criticisms gratefully recieved. I want a bug free and EVOLCING unit."

RoslynT says, "Whoops Excuse typo : e-volving of course."

JohnSte says, "Xue was here a while ago. She said nobody else was here. I don't know if she is going to return or not."

JohnSte asks, "Anyway, Roslyn, did you get the information I projected a while ago?"

RoslynT asks, "Joh, what do I have to do to become a Webhead?"

RoslynT asks, "I got your bio if that is what it was. Youwere wearing a Caribbean shirt, weren't you?"

JohnSte says, "You have to send a blank email to (Right, Vance?)"

JohnSte says, "Yep, that's what it was."

RoslynT says, "Ta."

VanceS says, "That's right. Plus you have to have a tolerance for intuitive chaos navigation :-))"

RoslynT says, "More technoterminology. Help! :smiles"

JohnSte asks, "Speaking of chaos, want to see my horoscope for today?"

SusanneN has arrived.

DiaLog follows SusanneN to here.

TimeLog follows SusanneN to here.

SusanneN waves hi

JohnSte says, "Hi, Susanne."

RoslynT says, "Hi, Suzanne. I'm Ros. From Australia."

VanceS says, "Hi Susanne :-))"

BJB [HelpDesk] hugs Susanne. Good Day!

SusanneN says, "Hi Ros! I'm in Denmark"

JohnSte says, "Susanne, my horoscope reminds me of you."

SusanneN hugs BJ

VanceS says, "tell us John"

SusanneN asks, "Really, John, why?"

JohnSte says, "If you seem disciplined, it's only because everyone else is living a life of chaos"

RoslynT says, "Susanne - I read all about you earlier today - on your profile and several other page, butterflies included."

SusanneN Grins

JohnSte says, "You all are living a life of chaos, apparently."

RoslynT says, "My office is in chaos, if that helps."

JohnSte says, "Your office? You should see my apartment."

VanceS says, "That helps. Ok, I guess you're a webhead then."

JohnSte says, "Tomorrow is cleaning day."

RoslynT says, "Sorry - that was probably off topic. :blushes"

SusanneN exclaims, "Actually, my everyday life is not very chaotic on the outsiden, but the inside of my head, real chaos!"

DanB has arrived.

Seeing Eye follows DanB to here.

MargaretD arrives from nowhere.

MargaretD's personal recorder follows MargaretD to here.

BJB [HelpDesk] waves hi to Maggi and Dan

DanB exclaims, "Hello, everyone!"

SusanneN exclaims, "Hi Dan, hi Maggi!"

JohnSte says, "Hi, Dan, Maggi."

RoslynT says, "Cleaning? Manyana is soon enough for me."

MargaretD says, "Hi"

VanceS [Webheaded] waves BJB [HelpDesk], JohnSte [Webhead], RoslynT, SusanneN, DanB [Beep Me], and MargaretD.

JohnSte says, "Yep. I straighten up once a week."

DanB exclaims, "Roslyn, you're back! Great!"

RoslynT asks, "Hello DanB. Remember me, your pupil from yesterday?"

DanB asks, "Certainly do, Roslyn. How are things in Tasmania?"

RoslynT says, "Hi, Margaret. I don't think we've met. Let me put in a little plug for my country, Australia - just for a change."

SusanneN listens to Roslyn and her plugin

RoslynT says, "It was a pleasant weekend. Thanks for asking."

MargaretD says, "Hi Rosyln...I live in Germany."

RoslynT says, "I didn't know I had a plug-in, Susanne."

BJ has whispered to Vance, should she drop a recorder here? (BJ is always looking out for Vance each Sunday noon GMT). The other participants in the chat are unaware of BJ's whisper.

VanceS says, "sure, why not"

RoslynT says, "Sehr gemutlich."

RoslynT asks, "Why not, what, Vance?"

BJB drops 2001/11/18 Webheads (recording).

VanceS says, "why not drop a recorder here (nudges BJB)"

MargaretD says, "I'm not German but fluent..."

BJB [HelpDesk] grins...done

VanceS says, "Hi Maggi"

RoslynT says, "id/MargaretD"

MargaretD says, "Hi Vance"

MargaretD says, "Maggi for short"

RoslynT says, "Thanks. /id margaretd'"

SusanneN asks, "I like these examples, BJ drops the recorder and one second later, Vance has finished to compose his request for this recorder to be dropped?"

JohnSte says, "In a chaotic environment, mind reading is an everyday occurance."

BJB [HelpDesk] blushes...I whispered to Vance, Susanne. Or would you prefer to believe that I'm telepathic?

SusanneN [to RoslynT]: "If you type commands in between other words in a text, they will not be executed"

VanceS says, "I tried to whisper back, but I botched the syntax"

SusanneN blushes back, Sorry for listening to your private secrets

VanceS says, "So I just nudged her (same effect)"

BJB [HelpDesk] nods to Vance..worked for me

SusanneN woniders how you NUDGE someone?

RoslynT says, "sO DOES rOS."

VanceS [Webheaded] nudges Susanne

RoslynT asks, "Do you just type it?"

VanceS [Webheaded] nudges BJB [HelpDesk], JohnSte [Webhead], RoslynT, SusanneN, DanB, and MargaretD.

BJB [to RoslynT]: "type :nudges Vance"

JohnSte says, "I feel somebody nudging me."

SusanneN nudges roslyn

JohnSte [Webhead] nudges all

SusanneN nudges poor John too

DanB . o O ( I need to hide under the desk. )

JohnSte says, "Oh, my aching ribs."

SusanneN asks, "BUt still, tell your student what IS the nudging about?"

JohnSte says, "YingLan is online."

VanceS says, "If anyone wants to go on Yahoo, I'm about to join Yaodong there"

SusanneN says, "Is it affective or agggresive"

BJB says, "nudging is a GENTLE reminder, Susanne"

SusanneN says, "Argh, I'll let you Yahoo and just stay right here I think"

BJB . o O ( no bruised ribs )

RoslynT asks, "BJB, are you doing any Art teaching tomorrow?"

____________________________________ | |

SusanneN holds up a BIG sign: | Todays' new verb: to NUDGE soneome | |____________________________________|

JohnSte says, "I already packed my earphones for my trip to St. Louis."

BJB [to RoslynT]: "yes, we have school Monday and Tuesday"

RoslynT says, "From the Caribbean, John?? Excuse me for not reading the bio too closely."

SusanneN asks, "And Wednesday is Thanksgiving?"

VanceS asks, "How long will you be there John?"

BJB says, "Thursday is Thanksgiving"

JohnSte says, "No, I'm on sabbatical in Pennsylvania this year."

JohnSte says, "I'll be there until Sunday."

JohnSte says, "I won't be back in the Caribe until Dec. 12."

SusanneN asks, "How many days will you have off at schools for a thanksgiving?"

JohnSte says, "For the first time in history, this university is giving us a whole week off."

SusanneN says, "Thanksgiving does NOT exist here in the Scandinavian countries"

BJB says, "I have Wednesday though Monday off. Monday is the first day of deer hunting season in Pennsylvania"

JohnSte says, "There are only 7 people left in my entire apartment building."

SusanneN asks, "Interesting, does the deer hunting give you a day off, too??"

JohnSte says, "They all took off Friday."

JohnSte says, "It does here."

BJB [to Susanne]: "you probably have holidays for some time of giving thanks? That's a holiday that is multicultural."

JamesSi has connected.

SusanneN says, "Never heard about a hunter's day off before"

MargaretD says, "nor in Germany Susanne but it is a big family holiday in the US"

JohnSte says, "Hi, James."

RoslynT says, "Hello James. I'm Ros from Australia."

VanceS says, "Hi James. If anyone wants to go on Yahoo my web cam is running ..."

SusanneN asks, "No, we do not, giving thanks to what?"

DanB says, "Hi, James."

JamesSi says, "Hi All, Hi Ros"

SusanneN says, "Hi James"

JamesSi says, "I'm only here for a few minutes today. A bit busy here"

RoslynT asks, "James - I've just looked your ID up. What sort of research are you doing?"

VanceS asks, "family day, right James?"

JamesSi says, "But I might go and have a look at the webcam"

JamesSi says, "That's right Vance"

MargaretD says, "yes they have a harvest day here but it is in Sept. and not the big deal as in the US"

SusanneN says, "I know, I have heard about the Thanksgiving parties in all books and movies from the Emarican culture but always been wondering abit what it is all about"

JamesSi [to Ros]: "I'm investigationg the discourse of synchronous computer mediated communication, Ros"

VanceS says, "good one James"

MargaretD says, "BJB they have a harvest day here in Sept. but it not the big deal as in the US"

RoslynT nods to James.

JamesSi [to Ros]: "I'm particularly interested in this text-based mode, but I'm beginning to recognise the significance of the multi-modal aspect..."

RoslynT says, "Please - a chance to learn! - Tell me more about multi-modal aspects."

JamesSi [to Ros]: "for example, being able to use text chat, voice chat, and even webcams for video."

VanceS says, "James we just invited you to voice web cam chat"

RoslynT says, "OK - got a bit of an idea. Ta."

JamesSi says, "What do I doi now, Vance..."

SusanneN [to James]: "The multi-modal aspects are great, provoded that if works just smoothly and almost invisibly"

JamesSi says, "Please remind me"

VanceS [Webheaded] listens to Ros

VanceS says, "Accept the invitation, I guess"

RoslynT says, "if I am meant to be saying something, Vance, I'm tongue-tied. Please let ME listen."

SusanneN says, "Honestly, as long as the new tech tools are mostly for pioneers with a strong feel for technological challenges, there is still a long way to go."

VanceS says, "It's a little breakout group we have here."

VanceS says, "Yaodong is in Liuzhou China"

JamesSi says, "Got it... I think"

VanceS says, "He has a class of students with him."

SusanneN is envious because her budget does not allow her to buy more fancy toys this year

JamesSi exclaims, "Hi Vance on webcam!"

SusanneN asks, "Please say hello to Yaodong from me, will you?"

RoslynT says, "Please define breakout group. I'm listening, VanceS..."

MargaretD pats Susanne on the back

SusanneN says, "I lkied his article about the Chinese way of undersnatding foreign language learning in school"

MargaretD says, "many can't afford the fancy toys"

SusanneN [to RoslynT]: "I guess you are new to the Webhead group - but I am not sure?"

VanceS says, "Sory the trouble with breakout groups is they consume resources"

JohnSte says, "Yes, it was a very interesting essay."

RoslynT says, "Vance, if you can talk to Yaodong, he might be interested that our school teaches Chinese now."

VanceS says, "like attention for example"

VanceS says, "I'll tell him that Ros and maybe get him in here"

JamesSi says, "As I said, I can't stay today, but I hope it's a good session. Best wishes to the group in China, to the webcam breakout group, to Ros in Oz and to BJ and all."

JamesSi says, "Bye now"

VanceS says, "Much easier when we're in one place"

BJB [to RoslynT]: "Vance is on a webcam, using voice on messanger and typing here...typical chaos navigation"

DanB says, "Bye, James."

SusanneN always liked to attract the teacher's attention whan I was a school kid

You hear a quiet popping sound; JamesSi [Webhead] has disconnected.

VanceS says, "OK, James, see you when you get a chance to get back by"

VanceS asks, "The voice and web cam are on Yahoo Messenger. Do you have that?"

SusanneN waves bye to james's shadow

RoslynT says, "I could get it for next time but I'd rather not at this moment."

SusanneN has no Yahoo messenger because of my elderly computer. Will manage later

VanceS says, "good thinking Ros"

SusanneN says, "But I do learn a lot from the conversations going on, like the experimental exchange Vance had with Sue in Japan about their new Vebcams"

VanceS says, "a little chaotic for your first encounter with Webheads"

BJB says, "I don't have a mic or a webcam, but I can receive the signals and hear others"

JohnSte says, "I have Yahoo messenger, but I packed my headset to take to St. Louis. Forgot about class today."

ying has connected.

RoslynT says, "o O I have a microphone but no webcam."

JohnSte says, "Hi, Ying."

ying [guest] says, "He I am here..."

SusanneN to John ...and your luggage is so welll done that you could not possibly find anything in it?

ying [guest] says, "hello everyone"

SusanneN hugs Ying

RoslynT says, "Greetings, Ying. I'm Rosly, a new member from Australia."

ying [guest] says, "Thanks ... for maggi. I just read your email today."

DanB says, "Hellow, Ying."

RoslynT says, "Make than RoslyN."

JohnSte says, "Not really, but I'm too lazy to go open it."

MargaretD says, "Hi Ying"

ying [guest] says, "rose"

ying [guest] says, "RoslynT"

VanceS says, "Hi Ying Lan. I'm not getting any voice from you on Yahoo ?? :-("

You hear a quiet popping sound; MargaretD has disconnected.

ying [guest] says, "My sound is broken... remember/"

ying [guest] says, "I hate that."

SusanneN asks, "Well, Roslyn while the playmates roll around in the YAHOO universe, could you introduce yourself a bit? I know you have already taken a sneak peak at our personal webhead homepages but what brought you here today?"

ying [guest] says, "what is sneak peak." <Susanne means 'sneak peek' - ed.>

JohnSte says, "Ying, we have a new member."

SusanneN smiles to Roslyn auf der Heide

VanceS says, "Ros is from Down Under"

RoslynT says, "I've logged in several times today, just to practise."

RoslynT says, "Roslein auf der Heide"

RoslynT says, ", aka Ros from Oz"

JohnSte says, "In this case, it means that she has looked at our web pages to see who we are."

SusanneN [to Yinig]: "I think sneak peak is when someone can see something before the launching of an event, or read a book before it is out to the pyublic, but we'd better ask the experts"

VanceS says, "correct, Sus"

RoslynT says, "Sorry, John. I don't think I've seen yours yet."

BJB says, "good explanation, Susanne"

DanB looks Away.

JohnSte says, "I have so many of them. . ."

RoslynT says, "Ying - a sneak peek means a surreptitious glance."

SusanneN says, "Is proud that I could define the term I was actually using without thinking, like another parrot"

SusanneN likes "the surreptitious glance" - but does Ying and I get any closer by that?

ying [guest] says, "urreptitious... new word for me."

VanceS says, "surreptitious means in secret"

BJB says, "I'll be back soon...I need to restart my computer."

JohnSte says, "ok"

RoslynT says, "Susanne's definition is excellent. Ying - surreptitious means sneaky."

VanceS says, "ok bj (waves)"

SusanneN says, "WE will have a fine list of new words for today"

ying [guest] says, "I just look up it in my dictionary."

JohnSte says, "zzzzzzz"

SusanneN hands out for her dictionary as well

You hear a quiet popping sound; BJB [HelpDesk] has lost her link.

RoslynT says, "Look up PEEK too."

ying [guest] says, "peek: to look quickly"

SusanneN plays peek-a-boo wiht her grandson

ying [guest] asks, "peek a boo?"

JohnSte says, "I just found out my new grandchild is going to be a boy."

VanceS asks, "did someone have a peek, John?"

SusanneN to John so the mother has been scanned?

ying [guest] says, "he was born to be a boy... you confuse me"

RoslynT says, "Congratulations."

VanceS says, "I think he means an unborn grandson"

JohnSte [to Ying [guest]]: "It is a game that you plan with children. They mother hides her face behind her hands and opens her hands and says "Peek-a-boo""

RoslynT says, "The child loves peek-a-boo. The parent uses it to build optimismand faith in the child."

JohnSte says, "Yes. It is a new grandson to be born in late April. My daughter called me and told me she had been scanned."

SusanneN says, "When my son's baby twins were still embryos, he cane by to show ne those incredible pics where you see two shrimps in the vomb of their mother, that was not invented when I was pregnant 30 years from now. M"

SusanneN says, "My daughter is 30 years tomorrow - she is still in Mexico"

VanceS [Webheaded] hopes Sus means 30 years ago

ying [guest] says, "Sounds good."

JohnSte says, "My oldest will be 29 (I think) in February."

RoslynT asks, "Were you once in Mexico, too?"

ying [guest] says, "I was scared by a black guy last week."

MichaelAC has connected.

RoslynT says, "Hello, Michael."

VanceS says, "Hi Michael"

DanB waves to Michael.

ying [guest] says, "hello michael."

MichaelAC says, "Hello one and all."

SusanneN grins to Vannce yes, I have no more plans for future oldie pregnancies

JohnSte says, "My grand daughter is 2 1/2 and my grandson is 2. My second grandson will be born in April."

JohnSte says, "Hi, Michael."

SusanneN says, "Hi Michael"

ying [guest] says, "I have a new webheads from Australia.. to michael."

MichaelAC asks, "What's that Ying?"

JohnSte asks, "What do you mean, Ying?"

VanceS says, "She's from Hobart, I think .."

MichaelAC asks, "Oh - a new webhead from Oz...what's her name?"

ying [guest] says, "I mean... we have a new friend here."

RoslynT says, "Hello, Michael. I think that's me. I signed your guestbook the other day."

VanceS says, "Roz from Oz"

ying [guest] says, "Roslynt... that's it."

ying [guest] asks, "where is Oz?"

MichaelAC says, "So you did! I was going to reply....welcome Rosslyn"

SusanneN [to RoslynT]: "where did you hear about the Webheads?"

RoslynT says, "That's the friendly way of saying Australia."

MichaelAC says, "Oz = Australia"

SusanneN [to Ying [guest]]: "OZ is slang for Australia"

ying [guest] says, "OPh... got it."

MichaelAC says, "as in OZ - tralia"

RoslynT says, "From a search engine somewhere, I guess."

ying [guest] says, "ARe you a native speaker? RoslynT."

SusanneN says, "Like the Wizard from Oz (a movie from the thirties I think)"

ying [guest] says, "I feel so conmfortable .. when you were talking about your fmily."

RoslynT asks, "Susanne - I wouldn't go so far as to say it is slang. Colloquial, yes. Slang - I don't think so, What would you say, Michael?"

RoslynT says, "English is our native language, yes."

MichaelAC says, "No it's slang I don't think."

SusanneN listnes to the distinguishment between slang and colloquial

MichaelAC exclaims, "That is a hard one!"

VanceS says, "I'm just going to take a quick head count ..."

VanceS [Webheaded] counts JohnSte [Webhead], RoslynT, SusanneN, DanB, ying [guest], and MichaelAC.

JohnSte says, "I though colloquial was just a high-class way of saying slang."

RoslynT says, "Colloquial speech is everyday speech. Slang is edgin on the rude side. A polite lady like me wouldn't use slang, I promise you! It couldn't pass my lips."

ying [guest] says, "sland, street languange or idom, expression.. whatever, I should remember it."

MichaelAC exclaims, "Bravo Vance. No flies on you!"

SusanneN [to Yoing]: "I have borrowed an image scanner last week, so I will soon be able to show you my grandchildren"

BJB has arrived.

BJ's Shadow follows BJB to here.

VanceS says, "I think we have 5 native speakers here and 2 non-native (of English of course)"

JohnSte says, "Welcome back, BJB."

BJB says, "thanks, John"

VanceS asks, "solve the problem?"

ying [guest] says, "me and who is non-native speaker/"

VanceS says, "and Susanne"

SusanneN exclaims, "me!"

ying [guest] says, "I think so..."

BJB [to VanceS]: "some of the problem...think some is with my ISP"

ying [guest] asks, "but she is a Engilsh teacher, isn't she?"

VanceS [Webheaded] awaits Susanne's answer ...

ying [guest] says, "I see a beautiful deer on the list.."

SusanneN says, "NO I am not, Yoin, I used to weork with toddlers but I am now a student of education, focusing on educational technologies and community building online."

ying [guest] asks, "Who is DanB?"

DanB says, "That's supposed to be a moose, Ying."

RoslynT says, "I am an English teacher. That means I teach my students (also native English speakers) how to speak and write WELL in English."

ying [guest] asks, "moose... are you Canadaina?"

SusanneN says, "I have never been what you would call a real teacher, in my personal understanding of my own role in life"

DanB says, "No, American."

ying [guest] asks, "a real teacher?"

DanB says, "Ying, I choose the moose because it has huge antlers..."

ying [guest] says, "anyway, it is cute."

DanB exclaims, "That way, when the Webheads meet in winter, they can hang their hats and coats somewhere!"

SusanneN says, "Si I have not been using my English learnt in school many years from now) for anything real useful before I started to explore the internet"

ying [guest] says, "your English is very good...."

SusanneN says, "That is whty I still make many mistakes, but I do profit immensely from the direct practice I get here."

ying [guest] says, "I thought that you are a English teacher."

JohnSte says, "We will soon have another non-native speaker here."

ying [guest] asks, "who?"

JohnSte says, "Sue"

ying [guest] asks, "I have to tell you something... can I start it?"

Sue has connected.

JohnSte says, "She just told me she is on her way here."

SusanneN grins, I would do no good as a language teacher as I have no good grammar and all.

BJB says, "Hi, Sue. Welcome"

SusanneN asks, "I can see Sus is on her way from Japan?"

DanB says, "Hi, Sue."

JohnSte says, "Go ahead, Ying."

SusanneN says Hi sue

Sue [guest] says, "Hello,BJB, John, DAN, Vance... all"

RoslynT says, "Hello, Sue."

JohnSte says, "Hello, Sue."

VanceS says, "Hi Sue"

ying [guest] says, "I was scared by a black guy last week."

VanceS asks, "Yes, you mentioned that before Ying Lan WHat happened?"

ying [guest] says, "I don't think that I am a recesit."

JohnSte asks, "Yes, what happened, Ying?"

ying [guest] says, "I mean discremation.."

MichaelAC asks, "recesit?"

RoslynT says, "racist, I think, Michael."

JohnSte says, "She means Racist."

ying [guest] says, "I don't know how to spelll the word."

SusanneN [to Ying [guest]]: "Discrimination??"

JohnSte asks, "How did he scare you?"

MichaelAC says, "Thansk John"

Sue [guest] asks, "YingLan is in NY now?"

SusanneN asks, "Where di you meet this guy?"

ying [guest] says, "I am in Taiwan."

Sue [guest] asks, "where is the black man, then?"

JohnSte says, "She's having Visa problems, Sue."

ying [guest] says, "Because I will be in New York, so I go to English Conversation class at night."

ying [guest] says, "The black guy is my teacher at class."

JohnSte asks, "What did he do?"

ying [guest] says, "no.. he is fine."

SusanneN [to Ying [guest]]: "Why did you get scared by a teacher?"

JohnSte asks, "He gave a test?"

ying [guest] says, "But has has trouble with girls here."

ying [guest] says, "He asked me about girls..."

SusanneN asks, "I guess you do not see many black people in Taiwan?"

ying [guest] says, "I have not had a conversation with black guy before."

ying [guest] says, "a black guy."

JohnSte says, "hmmmmm."

SusanneN wonders if the girls are too bold, or too timid?

MargaretD arrives from nowhere.

MargaretD's personal recorder follows MargaretD to here.

JohnSte says, "Welcome back, Maggi."

MargaretD says, "Yep"

SusanneN smiles to the returning Maggi

DanB waves to Margaret

ying [guest] says, "He was frustrated with girls."

RoslynT smiles at MargaretD

JohnSte asks, "Why?"

SusanneN [to Ying [guest]]: "why did he ask YOU about that?"

VanceS says, "HI Maggi, we're listening to Ying Lan tell us about her English teacher"

Sue [guest] says, "Hi, maggi"

ying [guest] says, "He wanted to have gril friend here but he can not make it."

SusanneN asks, "Do you think her was up to something with you?"

ying [guest] says, "he said... the manner of dating in Taiwan is very complicated."

JohnSte asks, "Maybe he is just ugly?"

RoslynT says, "Perhaps he needs study Chinese."

MichaelAC exclaims, "John!"

ying [guest] says, "He is thin and tall..."

SusanneN grins, or he has a bad breath?

ying [guest] says, "Not being urgly but not being handsome."

ying [guest] says, "No.. he doesn't have body order."

MichaelAC says, "odour"

SusanneN asks, "Is he a good teacher?"

RoslynT says, "He doesn't sound happy."

ying [guest] says, "it is another thing."

VanceS says, "odor (to Americans)"

JohnSte asks, "What is it, Ying?"

ying [guest] says, "yes.... because Taiwaness girl turned him dowm."

ying [guest] says, "down."

MichaelAC says, "Oh sorry - odor or odour"

JohnSte says, "hmmmm."

ying [guest] says, "let me check."

MargaretD says, "oder in German means or"

RoslynT asks, "rejected hisadvances?"

ying [guest] says, "odour"

VanceS says, "(both are correct, didn't mean to interrupt"

SusanneN thinks we can leave out the bodily stencehs for a while and listen seriously to the concerns Ying is showing towards her black teacher and his lack of dates

ying [guest] says, "the issue here is ... he want to have girl friend.. that mean he wants to have sex with his gril friend."

ying [guest] says, "But I think that it is too much."

VanceS asks, "so, he has a girl friend, but she is refusing to have sex with him?"

SusanneN asks, "Oh yes! of course it is too much, did he say so directly to you?"

RoslynT says, "It sounds a bit unprofessional if he asked you that in public."

ying [guest] says, "In my stardard... girl friend doesn't mean that you could have sex in your date."

JohnSte says, "It doesn't to me, either."

ying [guest] says, "no.. in that session, only he and me."

SusanneN thinks he has been quite indiscreet for a teacher towards his young female student

ying [guest] says, "I was scared.. becasue I will be in New York..."

JohnSte says, "They are not ALL like that in New York, Ying."

ying [guest] asks, "When someone ask me our, it means that maybe we will have sex?"

RoslynT says, "That is entirely up to you."

SusanneN says, "Oh Ying, do not be s cared, your natural scepticism will protect you against a too close engagement."

VanceS says, "no way. You decide. You can decide not to."

ying [guest] says, "I try to explain ... in Taiwan, only being couple or being engaged..."

SusanneN says, "having sex at a first date is really cheap."

VanceS says, "How old is this teacher? (sounds like a teenager)"

RoslynT says, "The International Students Club will have activities. You don't need to socialise privately if you don't feel comfortable."

JohnSte says, "Or a DOM"

ying [guest] says, "He is 22 or 24.. I don't remember."

ying [guest] says, "He does not want to marry any female human beings."

VanceS says, "He has a lot of growing up to do."

BJB [to Ying [guest]]: "your teacher is being very unprofessional and has no business discussing this with you!"

JohnSte says, "He sure does. He isn't much of a teacher either."

MargaretD asks, "he is a teacher at that age?"

ying [guest] says, "only want to have sex... for him ,.... having sex like foods.. scared me again."

RoslynT asks, "Are you paying for this English course, Ying?"

ying [guest] says, "He is a native speaker.."

ying [guest] says, "yes."

ying [guest] says, "Unfortunatlye."

JohnSte says, "He's probably one of these guys who go overseas and think they can teach English just because they speak it."

SusanneN says, "I think that a black teacher telling his female student he would like a date but never marry any female human being would be no good to go out with. Now that you know his attitude, you can even warn your fellow students against him."

ying [guest] says, "But he is not only one teacher I met here."

RoslynT says, "You should report the teacher for misconduct and ask for your money back."

MargaretD says, "just being a native speaker is nothing"

MichaelAC asks, "But isn't it OK for two consenting adults to have this kind of conversation?"

ying [guest] says, "I knew.. I try to tell him how to be good here."

SusanneN says, "I agree, this teacher should not be allowed to go on like that just embarassing young students"

ying [guest] says, "I am not a young student... I am 37 years old."

RoslynT says, "My goodness, Michael. Ying was not consenting. She was asking to be educated not tittilated."

BJB [to Michael]: "is this a case of two consenting adults or a case of a teacher/student relationship?"

ying [guest] asks, "consenting?"

MichaelAC asks, "Did this conversation happen after class Ying?"

SusanneN says, "I am not sure, Michael, in China there is another moral about sex, and he should not violate that culture like that."

ying [guest] says, "no... I ran away."

VanceS says, "This teacher doesn't sound very adult"

JohnSte says, "It means agreeing to have the conversation."

BJB [to Ying [guest]]: "able to make your own choice about consent means to agree"

SusanneN hugs Ying you ran away and do you plan to come for his lessons later on?

VanceS asks, "was this right after class, in the classroom perhaps?"

ying [guest] says, "He think that we are in authorisiam.."

SusanneN can feel the Webhead group being very concerned about this event, Ying

ying [guest] says, "how to spell the word."

DanB asks, "Authoritarian?"

SusanneN asks, "Try to say it with another expression?"

VanceS asks, "do you mean that your teacher has authority?"

ying [guest] says, "No.. he think our country and education system is authorisian..."

SusanneN says, "Or do you mean thet he think the Taiwanese students are bourght up with an authoritating view"

ying [guest] says, "I forgot how to spell the word."

VanceS says, "authoritarian"

MargaretD says, "no, that he found the culture in Taiwan authoritarian I trhink"

SusanneN nods to Ying

ying [guest] says, "We don't know how to think independently."

ying [guest] says, "but.. it is another thing."

SusanneN asks, "But that is not quite so any longer, is it?"

ying [guest] asks, "Do you think having sex just like having food?"

ying [guest] asks, "It is enough? at the right place and right time?"

SusanneN asks, "Do you remember how this conversation with your teacher took its beginning?"

ying [guest] says, "It is sound like ..."

MargaretD says, "some people think so I am sure"

ying [guest] says, "He had trouble to date girl here."

ying [guest] says, "I am old enough .. so he need some advice..."

SusanneN says, "That is nonsense, a very primitive approach to sex (although I have been no angel in my earlier lifetime)."

MargaretD asks, "why do you think Ying?"

VanceS says, "He had trouble dating .. that means he couldn't get a date"

SusanneN says, "HIs request for advice sounds to me like a strong invitation."

VanceS asks, "But he had trouble with a girl he was dating, right?"

ying [guest] says, "here... yes. he had a girl friend in Japan."

ying [guest] asks, "He said... a white people .. like a very urgly white people could has a girl frind here. why he can not have one?"

MargaretD says, "sounds like a cultural conflict"

ying [guest] says, "Yes, he had."

VanceS asks, "So he has no girlfriend in Taiwan?"

VanceS says, "It's pretty obvious why not"

JohnSte says, "Sounds like he has a complex."

ying [guest] says, "He is in confustion.. like we have discrmenation... how to spell the word."

RoslynT says, "Sorry to interrupt, Ying, but I'd better say good night. Hope you can be brave and steer clear of this fellow in future."

MargaretD says, "I don't think his being black plays as much of a role as he thinks"

ying [guest] says, "Thanks Roslyent"

BJB [HelpDesk] waves goodnight to Ros

JohnSte says, "G'night. Roslyn, Nice meeting you."

VanceS says, "Thanks for joining us Ros from Oz"

MichaelAC says, "Night Rossly - I'm just hceking out your Indis site - looks good."

SusanneN exclaims, "Even if he was right, that en ugly man could have a girlfriend easier htah he can, he is not netitled to ask you in a direct way making you scared, that might be part of his personal problem!!"

DanB says, "Bye, Roselyn."

RoslynT says, "Bye."

MichaelAC says, "er..India site"

SusanneN says, "Bye Roslyn"

RoslynT says, "Thanks, Michael. I'll see you all another time."

ying [guest] says, "I started to think... I don't think that I could date with a black guy either."

You hear a quiet popping sound; RoslynT has disconnected.

ying [guest] asks, "Am I a racist?"

MichaelAC says, "brb"

SusanneN [to Ying [guest]]: "Just ebcause you met one unsympathetic black man, that does not mean that all are alike."

VanceS says, "If you extrapolate the behavior / behaviour of one person to all members of his race then ..."

DanB says, "I don't think so, Ying; you don't impress me as a racist."

BJB [to Ying [guest]]: "you are only a racist if you judge all black people by the behavior of this one person"

ying [guest] says, "I think I am not.. but..."

JohnSte says, "I remember back in elementary school, I though black girls were ugly, just because a black girl in the class was ugly."

VanceS says, "There was an interesting site on tolerance being put out to the lists recently ..."

JohnSte says, "Later I realized it wasn't that she was black, It's that she was ugly.,"

SusanneN exclaims, "I have a beautiful grandsonm, and all people say wheever they see his picture, is that he had a very red hair!!!"

DanB asks, "What caused the change, John?"

BJB says, "TAPPEDIN has a Museum of Tolerance suite on the second floor"

JohnSte says, "I met some other black women and realized that the girl I knew would have been ugly no matter what her race."

ying [guest] says, "he told me .. one night he was invited to go sunna.."

JohnSte asks, "sunna??"

ying [guest] says, "but the girls who workd at the gym .. screamed when they saw him."

SusanneN asks, "what is SUNNA, do you mean a SAUNA, a hot steam air bath?"

ying [guest] says, "yes, Sauna."

VanceS says, ""

ying [guest] says, "he was very upset.. then he went home..."

SusanneN asks, "Was it a unisex sauna, were they all naked?"

ying [guest] says, "probably.. they all naked. but i don't think it is a unisex sauna."

VanceS says, "He probably does get some discrimination, but he has problems of his own as well"

VanceS says, "He's probably lonely"

ying [guest] says, "I think he get som discrimination."

ying [guest] says, "becasue t"

SusanneN asks, "DFo you plan to go for his lessons next time?"

JohnSte says, "But I doubt if his problem is being black. It is probablyhis attitude."

VanceS says, "When I was in Africa, mothers used to thrust their children at me to touch me"

ying [guest] says, "Taiwanese people don't like to be black.. we think the white is beautiful ."

VanceS says, "and the kids would almost always be crying in fear I guess"

ying [guest] says, "there are a lot of make -up... to be white."

ying [guest] says, "we don't like to be brown."

JohnSte says, "hmmmm."

JohnSte asks, "What's wrong with brown?"

SusanneN says, "When I was a child, there was ONE black child in our 1000 child school, we thought she looked cure - byut she was sure very different although her mother was Danish"

ying [guest] says, "peopel think that to be white is becautiful."

ying [guest] says, "I mean the clour of skin."

SusanneN says, "My husband likes to have a heavy suntanned brown skin, but my skin is too delicate for too much suntan"

MichaelAC says, "Black people here say that 'black is beautiful!'"

JohnSte says, "They say that here, too."

ying [guest] says, "but I am weird ... I like to be tan."

MichaelAC says, "The fact is we are all beautiful in our way"

JohnSte says, "Right, Michael."

MichaelAC exclaims, "I prefer to look tanned too Ying but it is bad for the skin!"

ying [guest] says, "another classmate in the English class , he told me... a black guy is too black to have a girl friend here."

SusanneN says, "I read abouut a family who visited Java and Sumatra, with a five year old girl, she was pinched by everyone all the time just because they found her so cute, but she was so scared about it and got blue marks."

ying [guest] says, "i agree you, Michaleac... I look old now."

MichaelAC smiles at Ying

ying [guest] asks, "Does the black guy have strong sex desire?"

JohnSte says, "I remember how my mother used to comment on how people would say white is beautiful, but would then go and get the darkest tans they could."

SusanneN says, "Some day you will meet more black people in NY and maaaybe have a better idea of cultural diversity, Ying"

ying [guest] asks, "or your western people have the strong sexual desire?"

MargaretD says, "most men do :-)"

MichaelAC smiles at Maggi!

SusanneN says, "The sexual taboo has been a common thing in our culture, too, until recently"

ying [guest] says, "I am just a little scared"

MargaretD exclaims, "learn to say no Ying and mean it!"

JohnSte says, "Actually, most men are NOT like that, Ying."

ying [guest] says, "At least.. this young black teacher he is honest."

VanceS says, "sex can be healthy when it's enjoyed by both and not exploitative"

ying [guest] says, "to be honest, I like black actors .. like the role in "Bone collector" his name is Danzal Washington."

MargaretD says, "he is a good actor"

MichaelAC says, "He's a great actor (snap)"

ying [guest] says, "My attitude to sex doesn't mean that my though is one dimenstion thinking..."

SusanneN does not remember his name

VanceS says, "People are people. One thing I like about Arabs is they are all colors so you stop seeing people as black and white"

ying [guest] says, "or i am the dimension thinking."

MargaretD says, "true Ying"

JohnSte says, "Same with hispanics, Vance."

SusanneN asks, "Would you care for a cup of GOOD black Arabian coffee?"

VanceS says, "Yeah, in Brazil for instance it's easy to blend in no matter who you are"

JohnSte says, "Sounds good, Susanne."

ying [guest] asks, "it is easy to blend?"

MichaelAC says, "I'll leave you now folks. Thanks Ying for starting such an interesting discussion."

ying [guest] says, "I need to get a cup of water."

2001/11/18 Webheads is full. Stopped recording.

ying [guest] asks, "Do you scare you?"

JohnSte says, "See you, Michael."

ying [guest] says, "michael."

DanB says, "Bye, Michael."

VanceS says, "OK, Michael. Later ..."

SusanneN says, "I had a good experience some days ago with a Turkish Kurdish teacher I know"

MargaretD says, "bye mc"

MichaelAC says, "Yes Ying? (or were you saying goodbye?)"

ying [guest] asks, "I ask you, do I scare you?"

MichaelAC asks, "Do you scare me Ying??"

ying [guest] says, "yes"

MichaelAC asks, "No way!! Why do you ask that?"

MargaretD . o O ( mc looks scared :-) )

ArthurM has connected.

ying [guest] says, "ok..."

MichaelAC smiles at Maggi

BJB says, "Hi, Arthur. Welcome"

ArthurM exclaims, "(To talk, type here and press return)Hi from Ireland!"

JohnSte [Webhead] thinks He's trembling.

MichaelAC says, "Ying - i think you're wonderful. Not scary at all."

VanceS says, "Hi Arthur (Ying was being scary there for a moment)"

SusanneN says hello to Arthur

BJB [to Arthur]: "can we help you with something?"

ying [guest] says, "Thanks ."

JohnSte says, "Hi, Arthur."

DanB says, "Hello, Arthur."

MichaelAC says, "Night everyone."

ying [guest] says, "I am a 37 years old woman.. still being single."

ArthurM says, "I was at eltoc and am now visiting for the first time"

JohnSte says, "Night, Michael."

BJB [HelpDesk] waves goodnight to Mike

Sue [guest] says, "Hello, Arthur"

DanB waves bye to Michael.

SusanneN says, "We aer the Webheads from all over the world (I am Susanne)"

SusanneN . o O ( Susanne is from Denmark )

ying [guest] says, "bye michael."

You hear a quiet popping sound; MichaelAC has disconnected.

ying [guest] says, "hello."

BJB [to Arthur]: "I'm in the US...Pennsylvania"

DanB . o O ( Dan is from the USA )

SusanneN says, "Michael is in Australia - but he just left us."

Sue [guest] says, "We have a Tivoli Park here copied from Denmark"

ying [guest] says, "hello Arthur."

ArthurM says, "hello, bjb"

JohnSte [Webhead] think I'm from Puerto Rico but currently in Pennsylvania.

ArthurM exclaims, "hello ying!"

VanceS says, "Hi Arthur, welcome"

SusanneN [to Sue [guest]]: "Yes, did you see the japanese Tivoli?"

Sue [guest] says, "yeah, it is near to my place. It is a minisize i think"

SusanneN says, "Tivoli in Copenhagen is not very large."

DanB asks, "Arthur, you are working in Northern Ireland?"

ArthurM says, "Hi, Vance, should I just lurk for a few minutes to catch up? :-)"

ArthurM says, "DanB, yes, at the universitty of Ulster"

VanceS says, "welcome"

SusanneN says, "I go there many times every summer, it is a garden with lots of flowers and music."

VanceS says, "We'll post a log. Leave an email address and we'll send you the url"

PhilB has arrived.

R2 follows PhilB to here.

BJB [HelpDesk] waves bonjour to Phil

PhilB says, "Bonjour, y'all."

JohnSte says, "Hi, Phil."

DanB asks, "What do you teach at the U. of Ulster?"

Sue [guest] says, "yeah, Susan. I love the night lamps too"

ying [guest] says, "Sometimes, I feel guility here."

VanceS asks, "bonjour Phil, ca va??"

SusanneN waves hello to Phil from France

DanB waves to Phil.

MargaretD says, "Hi Phil"

PhilB asks, "Ying, why guilty?"

JohnSte asks, "Why, Ying?"

Sue [guest] says, "Hi. Phil"

ArthurM says, "DanB, Business and management at The Mange ment institute. Before that, I was in EFL for 15 years"

ying [guest] says, "i have not paid you money."

PhilB says, "tips his hat to all 'round the room."

JohnSte asks, "So?"

ying [guest] says, "I help me to learn English."

DanB says, "What a coincidence! I teach marketing and management courses."

SusanneN [to Sue [guest]]: "the lamps are great in our Danish Tivoli, and the fireworks, too."

ying [guest] says, "you help me to learn English."

BJB [to Ying [guest]]: "membership in TAPPED IN is free"

JohnSte asks, "Why should you pay us money for that?"

ying [guest] says, "I know that.. thankd BJB."

ArthurM says, "Dan, I am Arthur Mckeown. who are you? :-)"

DanB says, "My name is Dan Biltiz."

ying [guest] says, "you are my teacher. John."

DanB . o O ( Bilitz )

SusanneN says, "We do this for the fun amd because we all learn from each other, Ying"

JohnSte asks, "So?"

VanceS says, "We are all teachers and learners here"

PhilB says, "H'lo, Arthur. Philip Benz here, logged in from France."

ying [guest] says, "I undersatnd.."

ArthurM says, "Hi, Philip"

JohnSte says, "I wouldn't do this for money. I do it because it is fun."

ying [guest] says, "I knew..."

DanB asks, "This is quite a global gathering, isn't it?"

ArthurM says, "We were on holiday in France this summer"

ying [guest] says, "yes,"

PhilB [WebTeach] rubs Yings frayed nerves, "Money, money, money, always sunny..."

ArthurM asks, "Where are you Dan?"

SusanneN says, "If we were all just expert teachers, there would be no reason to fake this was actually a class and not just a social club :-))"

MargaretD says, "I'm in Germany next door"

ying [guest] asks, "Do you have any suggestion to me?"

JohnSte says, "You're giving away your age, Phil."

PhilB asks, "Hey, I have no problems with my age. You?"

DanB says, "Arthur, I live in a small city, Lake Mills, Wisconsin, but i teach in Milwaukee, Wisconsin."

VanceS [Webheaded] ponders Susanne's words of wisdom

JohnSte says, "I would say file a complaint against the guy."

SusanneN [to Ying [guest]]: "about your teacher being too embarassing?"

JohnSte says, "Not at all, Phil."

ArthurM exclaims, "Dan, my brother lives in Madison - smmallish world!"

ying [guest] says, "I just want to help him having fun here."

DanB says, "Cool! Madison is only 30 miles west of where I live."

PhilB says, "Indeed, according to Sartre, I have just now reached the "age of reason"."

VanceS asks, "Are you comfortable going back Ying Lan?"

JohnSte says, "I don't think he will have fun no matter what you do, Ying."

ying [guest] says, "he told me...he donesnt' have a girl here, why he has to learn our culture."

JohnSte says, "He is obsessed with only one thing."

ying [guest] says, "I have anohter teachers there..."

SusanneN says, "If I were you, Ying, I would ignore him a bit, it is not up to yuou to kmake this guy happy (unless you really feel for it)"

DanB says, "Ying, if you are a teacher's student, you are not responsible for helping your teacher have fun."

JohnSte says, "Right."

ying [guest] says, "yeap... but they are more like my friends... most of them."

DanB says, "And his responsibility as a teacher is to help you learn."

SusanneN says, "Please take care that your volunteering Webhead teahcers do have some fun, though:-))"

PhilB asks, "Are we having fun yet?"

ying [guest] says, "yes... I should bring in some topic in next session.. but he should prepare for that not me."

JohnSte says, "Different kind of fun, Susanne."

DanB says, "I agree , Susanne, but Ying's situation seems to one of ethics."

PhilB exclaims, "Yow!"

ying [guest] asks, "I am sorry. are you having fun here?"

PhilB says, "Sorry, Ying, I was joking."

ying [guest] says, "I did not think I am a racist."

JohnSte says, "Hey, if he isn't having fun, that's his problem."

ying [guest] says, "but I think I could not date a black guy now."

PhilB . o O ( How did racism get into it? )

ying [guest] says, "John ,, you are right."

SusanneN says, "Well our conversation has been very serious today - this kind of verbal Webhead fun is more innocent, playful, and less complicated"

DanB says, "And everyone should respect that decision, Ying, including your teacher."

PhilB says, "You're right, Ying, I couldn't date a Black guy, either."

DanB lol at Phil

JohnSte says, "Neither could I (or a white guy, either)."

ying [guest] asks, "why?"

MargaretD says, "you are married Phil"

ying [guest] says, "John .. you are male. and married."

PhilB exclaims, "Technicalities!"

SusanneN asks, "Well, if guys date guys they have better be gays?"

JohnSte says, "That's why."

BJB [HelpDesk] shakes her head at this conversation

JohnSte says, "black girls? that's a different story."

ArthurM peruses Membership Directory...

PhilB says, "Hey, in this age of political correctness, it's *wrong* to discriminate against potential partners on thee basis of outdates gender-based stereotypes. <g>"

SusanneN asks, "Poor BJ - do you think this is too open as a student-to-teacher chat?"

PhilB . o O ( outdated )

ArthurM peruses Membership Directory...

JohnSte says, "So I'll discriminate on the basis of marital status."

ArthurM peruses Membership Directory...

PhilB says, "BJ is just wondering how much she'll have to edit out for the transcript to be edible."

VanceS says, "logs should be interesing"

JohnSte says, "I get the impression Arthur is ignoring us."

ArthurM peruses Membership Directory...

ying [guest] says, "who is she? philb"

DanB says, "I discriminate on the basis of self-preservation: my wife doesn't like it when I date others."

SusanneN says, "What about agre discrimination, my husband is 24 years older than I, and a good sex partner."

ArthurM exclaims, "Sorry - folks - just browsing roungf the icons and liking it!"

PhilB asks, "Ying, you're asking who BJ is?"

JohnSte says, "Neither does ming. Even though I haven't seen here since the middle of August."

ying [guest] asks, "bjb is female?"

BJB [HelpDesk] nods to Ying. Yes, I am female

SusanneN says, "BJB is the Teacher of the Year, and yes, she is the mother of two kids"

ying [guest] says, "ohh.."

DanB says, "Ying, BJB has been very influential here at Tapped In."

PhilB says, "Yes, BJ is female and our wonderful, friendly & helpful helpdesk goddess."

SusanneN [to BJB]: "why don't you show us your portrait?"

BJB [HelpDesk] blushes at the kind words

PhilB [WebTeach] puts BJ up on a pedestal.

ArthurM leaves for the ASO.

ArthurM's personal recorder (recording) leaves for the ASO.

ying [guest] says, "i would like to see. ..."

DanB says, "She has helped so many people feel comfortable learning things here at Tapped In."

BJB says, "My picture is on this page:"

SusanneN cheers for BJ

ArthurM has arrived.

ArthurM's personal recorder (recording) has arrived.

ying [guest] says, "clap my hands.."

BJB asks, "would you like me to project?"

PhilB [WebTeach] wishes he still had the URL for BJ's picture "cybrwmn".

ying [guest] says, "yes,."

BJB [to Phil]: "there's a link on that url for cybrwmn"

SusanneN says, "This IS the CYBRWMN url"

BJB [to Arthur]: "do you know about url projections?"

ying [guest] says, "no..."

ArthurM says, "BjB, no not yet"

ying [guest] says, "show me the web site..."

SusanneN says, "Please do project the URL so we can all see it"

BJB [to Arthur]: "when a url is projected a new browser window will pop open for you"

BJB says, "you'll still be connected here in TI"

You hear a quiet popping sound; ArthurM has disconnected.

BJB says, "oops..x"

PhilB [WebTeach] waits with baited breath.

BJB [HelpDesk] projects the URL:

VanceS says, "woops"

JohnSte says, "ain't no picture here, Vance."

PhilB [WebTeach] claps for BJ, the cyberest woman on the web!

ArthurM has connected.

BJB [to John]: "click on BJ's picture"

VanceS [Webheaded] wonders what Phil is using for bait

BJB says, "welcome back, Arthur"

PhilB . o O ( John, click on the *link*! )

BJB [to Arthur]: "I'm going to show you the url"

DanB exclaims, "Nice earrings!"

PhilB [to VanceS]: "minnows."

BJB [HelpDesk] shows ArthurM the URL:

JohnSte says, "Hmmm. looks familiar."

ying [guest] says, "Nice car..."

ArthurM says, "Sorry, I managed to leave"

ying [guest] says, "I am kidding.."

VanceS asks, "May I project the correct url?"

JohnSte says, "Actually, Ying, it is much nicer than my car."

BJB [HelpDesk] checks to see if Arthur got the projection

VanceS says, "or, I'll just paste it:"

ArthurM exclaims, "BJB, I think I gor it!"

DanB says, "Ditto, John. I drive a -'96 Toyota Corolla."

JohnSte says, "I drive an 87 Toyota Corolla (back home)."

PhilB exclaims, "Mazda 626 for me, though some mornings at 6AM you'd think it was the batmobile!"

Sue [guest] says, "hey, guys, i need to log off , too late now. Enjoy yourselves. see you next week"

DanB asks, "Fire streaking out the exhaust pipes, too?"

BJB [HelpDesk] waves bye to Sue

ying [guest] says, "see you."

JohnSte says, "OK, sue, See you in a couple of weeks."

DanB says, "Bye, Sue."

MargaretD says, "bye Sue"

VanceS asks, "May I put a cropped and reduced in size version of your photo on your webheads webpage cyberwoman?"

Sue [guest] says, "good night."

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_182 [guest] has disconnected.

BJB [to VanceS]: "sure."

VanceS says, "nigtht Sue"

ying [guest] says, "It is late now."

JohnSte says, "Oh, next week I'll be traveling on Sunday, so I won't be able to make it here."

ying [guest] says, "to maggi... I got your email today."

MargaretD says, "good"

ying [guest] asks, "Do you think that it is professional?"

MargaretD says, "it is rfine as is"

BJB [to Arthur]: "this group starts a little earlier...noon GMT every Sunday"

PhilB says, "IIRC, Vance has shown us pics of his appartment, but I don't recall seeing him without the scuba mask on. <g>"

MargaretD says, "very profeswional"

ying [guest] asks, "Do you find any mistakes in that mail?"

MargaretD says, "not any important ones Ying"

VanceS says, "I've got pics up all over, start at"

MargaretD says, "they are not native speakers either"

BJB says, "time for me to go make breakfast and run some errands. See

you all later."

BJB [HelpDesk] waves bye.

ying [guest] says, "you have your own company now.,, vance."

DanB says, "Have a good week, BJ."

VanceS says, "no, just my own url"

JohnSte says, "Most of my pics are at"

MargaretD says, "bye BJB"

ying [guest] says, "good bye , bjb."

JohnSte says, "OK, BJB, have a good weeks."

VanceS says, "My own company? Me? Make money? (laughs)"

BJB looks away.

ying [guest] says, "you got your name in your web site."

You hear a quiet popping sound; ArthurM has disconnected.

PhilB asks, "Vance, you're the one with the moustache?"

ying [guest] says, "look ... professional."

VanceS says, "that's me"

JohnSte says, "Ying, it only costs about $30.00 a year to get your own URL. (unless you find a discount place)."

You hear a quiet popping sound; SusanneN has lost her link.

VanceS says, "anyone can register a domain name, though you do need $75 to register it as well"

ying [guest] says, "I read that at"

MargaretD says, "I'm reserving"

JohnSte says, "You got cheated, Vance. I got IESP2001 for a mere $20.00 a year"

VanceS says, "You have to pay to set it up, and you pay to renew it each year, and you pay a web host to direct that url to your site"

ying [guest] says, "Waa.. no kidding."

ArthurM has connected.

PhilB [WebTeach] is happy sponging his URL off the Education Nationale for now.

JohnSte says, "Although I am paying 35 a year for each of the eslpalace URLS and 30 a year for the"

VanceS says, "I think things got more competitive after I got mine (john)"

VanceS says, "see you (Phil)"

VanceS says, "Thanks for stopping in"

DanB says, "Bye, Phil."

ying [guest] says, "you don't need to go home having dinner, vance."

ArthurM says, "Hello again"

JohnSte asks, "Are you leaving, {Phil?"

VanceS says, "Well, I am home today"

DanB says, "Welcome back, Arthur"

ying [guest] says, "really, no work today."

ArthurM says, "Hi, DanB"

VanceS says, "but yes, dinner seems like a good idea"

JohnSte says, "Me, I'm going to get ready for bed soon."

VanceS says, "We're in Ramadhan"

VanceS says, "This means you can't eat or drink at work"

ArthurM says, "Mabrrok Ramadan, Vance"

ying [guest] says, "john.. you are in the morning.."

JohnSte says, "I was up all night watching the meteor storm."

ArthurM says, "I have just making Sunday lunch here in belfast"

VanceS says, "Ramadhan kareem (the exact greeting)"

ying [guest] asks, "meteor storm?"

JohnSte says, "The Leonid Meteors were last night. Quite a show."

VanceS says, "sounds great"

PhilB . o O ( back )

MargaretD says, "Gunsmoke reruns one week and meteors the next"

PhilB says, "I finally got a microphone, and left a voicemail on Vance's Wimba board."

JohnSte says, "Yep. I never watch them when they occur back home. This year was supposed to be special (storm instead of shower) so I stayed up to see them."

VanceS says, "Glad to see everyone, but I guess I need to go ..."

JohnSte says, "See, You, Vance."

PhilB says, "OK, See you round, Vance."

VanceS says, "But great Phil, we'll uncover your voice message shortly"

DanB says, "Bye, Vance. Have a good week."

ying [guest] says, "me too."

JohnSte says, "I thing I should go too. See ya'll in two weeks."

ying [guest] says, "see you next week.."

DanB says, "Bye, Ying."

MargaretD says, "bye Ying"

PhilB . o O ( guess I did pop in rather late. Busy serving lunch to me kids. )

ArthurM exclaims, "Goodbye, folks. I too must be away! I will certainly try to visit again soon!"

VanceS says, "you too, see you all in a week and some in the meantime"

ying [guest] says, "give me a mail.. if you want to give me a suggestion."

DanB says, "Bye, Arthur. It was nice to meet you."

PhilB asks, "Susanne, are you still online?"

JohnSte says, "ok."

PhilB . o O ( raise your hand if you're absent. )

You hear a quiet popping sound; ArthurM has disconnected.

ying [guest] says, "see you next week."

JohnSte says, "I think I saw susanne lose her link a while ago."

PhilB [WebTeach] nods

PhilB says, "I'll have to email her."

VanceS . o O ( wonders how to get that recorder )

PhilB asks, "Vance, you set down a recorder in the room?"

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_5 [guest] has disconnected.

JohnSte says, "Well, see you."

You hear a quiet popping sound; JohnSte [Webhead] has disconnected.

PhilB says, "Vance, type: /get recordername"

PhilB says, "Then type /mailme recordername"

VanceS exclaims, "that's it!"

VanceS picks up 2001/11/18 Webheads.

VanceS says, "ah HA"

PhilB asks, "Dan, I don't recall, do you teach languages somewhere?"

VanceS says, "now I'll just run up to my office and stash it there"

DanB says, "No, business courses."

PhilB [WebTeach] nods, "Ah yes, Wisconsin."

DanB says, "Right."

VanceS says, "see you then (toodleooo)"

Stopped recording in Reception (#268) at Sun Nov 18 06:07:55 2001 PST.

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Nicia on ICQ

Nima 11/18/01 11:31 PM Hi Vance! I´m talking with Maggi now!

Vance 11/18/01 11:32 PM Hi Nicia. I'm sleepy, just uploading and checking email

Nima 11/18/01 11:32 PM I konw....

Vance 11/18/01 11:33 PM how are things in Belo Horizonte?

Nima 11/18/01 11:35 PM oh! Vance you have a good memory! Here is hot and people are shouting because there are a football game... is sunday afertenoon...

Vance 11/18/01 11:37 PM what a great picture of a Sunday afternoon in southern Bahia. Wel, I've got to got sleep. Really dragging here in the a/c in Abu Dhabi. Take care. Hope to talk to you again soon.

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Here's a footnote about Arthur McKeown, which I got from his web site after a Google search on his name:

Arthur McKeown works for the University of Ulster . He teaches ebusiness, Enterprise and Small Business Management on several undergraduate and postgraduate courses. He is involved in a range of virtual learning and ecommerce projects. His first degree is in Homeric and Classical Greek from the University of Edinburgh. After a short period as a lighthousekeeper in Orkney and Shetland, he was a teacher, teacher trainer and Centre manager in EFL (English as a Foreign Language) for 15 years. He worked in Sweden, Libya and Kuwait as well as in the UK. He completed the RSA Dip TEFLA in 1977, with a Distinction in the Practical Tests, and an MBA (Henley, 1991) by distance learning. He has taught part-time for the Open University Business School since 1990. He has developed and implemented a wide range of training courses in business and management communication skills. Much of this work has been with leading European companies in the oil, pharmaceutical, IT, engineering and automotive sectors. In recent years his work has taken him to the USA, Bulgaria, Hong Kong / China, Mexico, Malta, Eritrea and Italy.

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