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Webheads chat logs are posted on the Internet to assist language learners with comprehension of our conversations and to strengthen our sense of community through shared familiarity with one another. All are welcome to join us, but your participation in our activities implies that you approve of our posting on the Internet interactions in which you take part. Please address any comments or concerns to Vance Stevens.

Webheads chat logs from November 11, 2001
Webheads participate in ELT Online Conference

Meet the people in the chat today

Vance Maggi Michael John Ying Lan Susanne Yaodong An-Lian Arif Sue BJB
UAE Germany Australia Pennsylvania Taiwan Denmark Liuzhou, PRC Wuhan, PRC Turkey Japan Pennsylvania
Webheads Aum from Thailand, Dan from Wisconsin, and James from Reading, UK
, and visitors to Tapped In Colin, Keni, DavidWar, Geoff, Nora, Ang, Mmoley, and David W

Find where everyone first joined the chat: Vance | An-Lian | Dan | James | Maggi | John | Sue | BJB | Rif | Ying Lan | Michael | Colin | KeniK | Aum | DavidWar | Geoff | Susanne | Nora | Ang | Mmoley | DavidW | Yaodong

You can download Vance's talk from this location:
When I click here and open this file (2.3 meg), here are my options:

The chat log we were able to capture here is interesting in the way the play Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead is interesting. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are the two gentlemen sent to accompany Hamlet on his sea voyage to make sure that he would be arrested when he reached his destination (but in the end, they were themselves killed). Many of us are quite familiar with Shakespeare's play Hamlet from the point of view of the audience. Tom Stoppard depicted the action behind the scenes, backstage, where two gentlemen who have minor roles in Hamlet, Rosencrantz and Gildenstern, become the stars of Stoppard's play, discussing what could possibly be happening on the front side of the drapes.

Similarly, the transcript for today reveals the backstage dialog taking place in Tapped In which allows us to infer what was happening as I was speaking via streaming audio at the ELT Online Conference, and while John and Michael were copresenting along with many Webheads helping take questions in the simultaneous text chat. Meanwhile some people were coming to Tapped In from the ELT Online Conference to see what it was that the presentation was about.

There are probably bits and pieces of this chat session elsewhere that might still come together. I was talking to Lian and Yaodong in MSN and Yahoo Messengers while I was setting up my computer for the streaming presentation, but I closed the web cam to prevent a crash, and killed all my Yahoo windows, causing me to lose that part of our logs for this evening.

If any other participants in this chat have transcripts they can contribute, please do ...

<Top> Email preparations Nov 5 | Email preparations Nov 10 | Lian in MSN Messenger Nov 10 | Dan in ICQ Nov 10 | Tapped In chat logs |

Email preparations Nov 5

Subject: [efiwebheads] Webheads attendance at ELTOC 11 Nov
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:21:28 +0400
From: Vance Stevens <>
To: Webheads <>, Eric Baber <>

Hi everyone,

I've been in touch with Eric Baber, who is organizing the English Language Teaching Online Conference, ELToc, He has agreed, rather than ask Webheads to each say who would like to participate, to just issue an id and password good for all Webheads during the time we are allowed to join the conference.

The id name will be 'webheads' and the password will be 'webheads'

This password will only be 'turned on' at noon GMT Sun Nov 11, and it will be disabled shortly after our session ends. This will allow those wishing to attend our regular class to log on to the online conference to hear Dave Sperling speak about at noon GMT and to attend our presentation immediately afterwards, at 13:00.

If you want to listen to conference presentations, you must have the Windows Media Player installed. Each presentation is streamed, so you will hear someone talking. You will hear Dave Sperling at noon GMT, and me at 13:00 GMT.

Webheads are welcome to join the conference chat area and chat with the participants who are also listening to the streamed talks. I think the participants will be very interested in meeting with any Webheads who would like to come to the conference chat.

It will be impossible to run other voice applications on one computer while listening to the Windows Media Player, so we can't use Yahoo chat in voice mode while listening in Windows Media Player. I don't think I will run my web cam either since it has made my computer crash in the past (and I'm presenting, so we can't let that happen!), but if others want to run their web cams, we can let conference participants view them.

We can be in other text chat areas, such as Tapped In, while participating in the conference. As you know, what typically happens in Webheads classes, people 'drop by' these chat areas for their 'intuitive chaos navigation' assignments. With the webheads/webheads id and password, we can direct anyone who comes there and wants to join us to the ELToc conference during the time we are permitted to be there.

Thanks Eric for being such a great guy and helping us to make an interesting presentation into an interesting Webheads class as well.


p.s. Michael Coghlan and John Steele are co-presenting with me and should be granted access to the entire conference. Michael is doing his own presentation at another time during the conference, and I am part of a panel discussion in another part of the conference as well. If you want to attend the entire conference, which should be a very interesting one, you have to pay a registration fee, but if you are interested in this subject, it should be a very interesting online event.

<Top> Email preparations Nov 5 | Email preparations Nov 10 | Lian in MSN Messenger Nov 10 | Dan in ICQ Nov 10 | Tapped In chat logs |

Email preparations Nov 10

Subject: [efiwebheads] The Webheads online chat class, Nov 11
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:57:22 +0400
From: Vance Stevens <>
To: Webheads <>

Hi everyone,

As you know, YahooGroups lost our group data a week or so ago. Now there are no longer any automatic reminders of Webheads online chat classes each Sunday noon GMT. However, the text of that reminder is always here:

This Sunday Nov 11 we have something special planned. As you probably know, webheads are giving a presentation at the ELT Online Conference (ELToc). Not only that, we are invited to attend the keynote speech on that day. The speech is by Dave Sperling. Dave is famous worldwide for his ESL Cafe at Dave will be talking from noon to 12:50 GMT.

To listen, here's what you do:

At noon GMT, go to
In the left hand frame, click on Conference Area
Here you are prompted for a user name and password

Here's what you write ...

User Name: webheads
Password: webheads

You are now on this page:
Find the word 'presentations' in the first paragraph and click there
You will arrive at:

Look in the second table for November 11. Find the first presentation:

12noon-12.50 Keynote address by Dave Sperling (ESL Cafe)

Click on: Join keynote speech now

This will open a new window. In the bottom frame, join the Multicity chat. Wait for the moderator to tell you to click on the text at left that says to listen to the speech. This will open Windows Media Player. Be sure you have that installed on your computer.

When Dave's speech is over, close the window. You will find that is still open. Look at the second presentation for Nov 11, and in Room 2 you will see:

1.00-1.50 Presentation 2p: Webheads in Action: Community formation online and its role in language learning, Mr. Vance Stevens, Mr. Michael Coghlan, Mr. John Steele

Click on: View/join presentation now

Here again, you can join the chat and click on where it says listen Windows Media Player. You can hear me there talking about the Webheads experience.

You can preview the presentation at this address:

Go on to Slide 1 to see what we will likely do during the presentation.

People at the conference will be in the chat areas for the conference. They have had to pay to come there. Webheads are being allowed in free for a limited time. If you come to the conference chats, please talk to the people in the chat about Webheads.

People at the conference are also being encouraged to come out and meet you at Tapped In, Yahoo Messenger, and perhaps Homestead. At Yahoo Messenger, voice chat will not work if you are also listening to me talk in Windows Media Player. However, our web cams should work. If you have a web cam, please turn it on for the participants (and for each other).

If you don't wish to attend the conference, you can meet in the usual places: Tapped In and Yahoo chat. I will try to have a computer connected to the Tapped In and Yahoo voice chats as usual. If you arrive at these chats, you can meet with us almost as usual.

As usual, the idea for Webheads Chaos Navigators is to try and be in as many places as we can be all at once. However, if you are comfortable in just one or two places, then go there and we will find you.

If you have any questions about how to reach us I should be in the usual places and I can help you reach the conference if you wish to attend.

All the best,


<Top> Email preparations Nov 5 | Email preparations Nov 10 | Lian in MSN Messenger Nov 10 | Dan in ICQ Nov 10 | Tapped In chat logs |

Lian in MSN Messenger Nov 10

Vance says: Hi. I'm at the conference

Lian/lotus/Ann says: hi, what conference?

Vance says: the eltoc one

Vance says: the online one

Vance says: Webheads are joining it tomorrow

Lian/lotus/Ann says: WOW, so interesting

Lian/lotus/Ann says: yes, i will join it tomorrow.

Vance says: it is. Michael Coghlan just gave a talk

Lian/lotus/Ann says: Wow, who is Michael coghlan?

Lian/lotus/Ann says: Am i a webhead?

Vance says: I think so, yes

Vance says: Michael is our Michael who joins us on Sundays

Lian/lotus/Ann says: WOW, that is too good to be true---i am also a webhead.

Lian/lotus/Ann says: oic

Vance says: of course. Webhead is a state of mind

Lian/lotus/Ann says: have you seen yaodong?

Vance says: not lately

Lian/lotus/Ann says: hehehehehe.

Vance says: you'll be able to join the conference tomorrow

Lian/lotus/Ann says: yes, i will

Vance says: Do you know Dave Sperling, ESL Cafe?

Lian/lotus/Ann says: i don't think so.

Vance says:

Vance says: It's famous. Dave is speaking at noon GMT

Lian/lotus/Ann says: yes, let me try. tomorrow noon?

Vance says: the usual time, and our presentation is at one

Vance says: Dave talks at noon, we can all listen, and then we chat to people at noon

Lian/lotus/Ann says: you mean, tomorrow, when we are having meeting, we can listen to his talk, and then we can chat?

Vance says: yes, we can listen to his talk and chat, and I meant at ONE we then give our own presentation, and people from the conference will probably visit with us

Lian/lotus/Ann says: WOW, that is interesting. I will surely attend the meeting tomorrow.

Vance says: Of course, webheads is ALWAYS interesting

Vance says: chaotic ... but interesting ...

Lian/lotus/Ann says: :'(

Vance says: yes, that's exactly what I meant ...

Lian/lotus/Ann says: I am sure it is what you mean.

Vance says: The conference is quite interesting. It's entirely online

Vance says: I'm listening to someone talk now whom I;ve never met but I've emailed a number of times

Lian/lotus/Ann says: we will attend it on tappedin and yahoo messenger and hotmail right?

Lian/lotus/Ann says: so, interesting, internet is really very magical.

Vance says: phone call

Lian/lotus/Ann says: oic.

Lian/lotus/Ann says: but hotmail don't record what we say, what a bummer it is.

Vance says: ok, off the phone

Vance says: hotmail?

Vance says: do you mean MSN? This one?

Lian/lotus/Ann says: yes, where shall we attend the conference?

Vance says: You can record it. Just cut and paste

Lian/lotus/Ann says: hahahahahahahahah

Lian/lotus/Ann says: this is what i do with recording

Vance says: Yeah, start here:

Vance says: Find the ELToc conference, and then find our presentation

Lian/lotus/Ann says: yeah

Vance says: that's what we'll be doing. I'll send an email in a couple of hours

Lian/lotus/Ann says: yeah, i am here waiting forit.

Vance says: the conf is at

Vance says: You need a password. It will be webheads / webheads (id/password)

Lian/lotus/Ann says: yes

Lian/lotus/Ann says: so shall i set the password myself or you set it for us?

Vance says: you need a password to enter the conference. For webheads, it's webheads (id) and webheads (password)

Vance says: that should be working tomorrow

Lian/lotus/Ann says: you mean i should get a password now?

Lian/lotus/Ann says: and a webhead id?

Vance says: no, if you try and visit the site now it will ask for this id and password, but I don;t think they will work now

Lian/lotus/Ann says: what is my webhead id? do i establish it myself or we have a uniform one?

Vance says: Try visiting the site, and see ...

Lian/lotus/Ann says: i am now

Vance says: soon you will be prompted for an id and password

Lian/lotus/Ann says: yes, i am surfing it, now

Vance says: Try to reach 'conference area'

Lian/lotus/Ann says: on the home page?

Vance says: yeah

Vance says: left side frame

Lian/lotus/Ann says: is it on conference area or conference registration?

Vance says: conference area

Lian/lotus/Ann says: yeah, i got it

Vance says: that's where you need to put webheads in one blank and webheads in another

Vance says: if it doesn't work now, it should tomorrow

Lian/lotus/Ann says: yes, i cannot registrate it just now to establish a password.

Vance says: yeah, you have to pay to attend this conference, but webheads will be allowed to attend tomorrow for free

Vance says: Michael and I can attend free too because we are presenting

Lian/lotus/Ann says: why we can be free tomorrow?

Lian/lotus/Ann says: WOW, so great.

Vance says: because you are part of the presentation!

Lian/lotus/Ann says: yes, will everyone attend tomorrow?

Vance says: anyone who wants to

Lian/lotus/Ann says: great, i will announce yaodong and bjb and Sus.

Vance says: so now that you are an expert, you can help others to join us

Lian/lotus/Ann says: hehehehehehehe:$

Lian/lotus/Ann says: bye, vance, see you tomorrow at conference. have a good day, i will go sleep soon.

Vance says: ok a friend of yours has contacted me on ICQ

Lian/lotus/Ann says: who?

Vance says: Dan I think ...

Lian/lotus/Ann says: yes, I chatted with him just now

Vance says: small world

Lian/lotus/Ann says: he is so kind just like you

Lian/lotus/Ann says: yes, very small world, tell Dan to join the meeting, and say hi to him for me,ok?

Vance says: ok

Vance says: sleep well

Lian/lotus/Ann says: thank you very much.

Lian/lotus/Ann says: bye

Vance says: bye

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Dan in ICQ Nov 10

137919250: (6:57 PM) Hello, Vance. I found out that you are Lian's language tutor. I met with her this morning at Tapped In about her personal statement.

Vance: (6:57 PM) Hi, who are you?

Vance: (6:57 PM) Other than An's Friend, I mean ...

Dan: (6:57 PM) Fine, thank you. How was the marathon?

Vance: (6:58 PM) half marathon, just fine

Dan: (6:59 PM) I made some content suggestions to Lian, and suggested that she email the revised copy to you. You could probably help with grammar, spelling, mechanics. I stayed away from that material since you're her tutor.

Vance: (7:00 PM) I'm just her online acquaintence

Dan: (7:00 PM) Oh, I thought you were her language teacher.

Vance: (7:02 PM) I'm a guiding spirit in Webheads. I'm always happy to help

Dan: (7:03 PM) Well, I was concerned that being new to this group, I was intruding. I didn't want to do that.

Vance: (7:05 PM) no, no such thing as an intruder in this group

Vance: (7:05 PM) You are obviously helping one of the students, that's not intruding

Dan: (7:05 PM) Well, you're very kind. There is one more serious thing I need to say to you.

Vance: (7:05 PM) the distinction between student and teacher blurs here

Dan: (7:06 PM) I'll tell you the same thing I told Margaret earlier. I've read the '98 and '99 chat logs. I wanted to commend you and Margaret for what I've read there.

Vance: (7:07 PM) Maggi ... yeah, well glad you appreciate it all. It just happened.

Vance: (7:07 PM) we enjoy what we're doing. I think it's significant and I feel we are appreciated

Dan: (7:07 PM) There was a student, Yinglan, who appeared to be quite depressed. I admired the way you two encouraged her and validated her worth as a human being. I think it gave her hope to go on!

Vance: (7:08 PM) absolutely. Ying Lan is our dear friend.

Vance: (7:08 PM) We respect her without any reservation whatsoever

Dan: (7:09 PM) Exactly my point. and I think that must be what kept her returning so frequently.

Vance: (7:09 PM) We are a true community

Vance: (7:09 PM) we support each other. We make commitments to one another and keep them.

Dan: (7:09 PM) At any rate, I wanted to express my admiration. And I can't wait to read the rest of the log.

Vance: (7:10 PM) And don't forget to join us tomorrow. Did you pick up on the online conference?

Dan: (7:11 PM) Yes, I'll be there if it doesn't frighten the students away!

Vance: (7:12 PM) ok, you understand how to get there then?

Dan: (7:12 PM) BJ told me this morning that you taught her the term chaos navigating. I read it in the logs, but never really understood it until this morning. I was chatting with Margaret in ICQ, meeting with Lian in my office in TI, and trying to answer BJ's page!!!!

Vance: (7:13 PM) Susanne has refined it now to Intuitive Chaos Navigation

Vance: (7:14 PM) ICN, a new acronym!

Dan: (7:14 PM) I can't wait for the next revision!

Vance: (7:14 PM) susanne will come up with something

Dan: (7:15 PM) I'm going to logout. I actually just came in to leave you a message about Lian. My mother has become ill; I need to leave for Milwaukee to get her to the doctor. But i wanted to at least contact you. So, I wish you a good day. See you tomorrow.

Vance: (7:16 PM) hope your mom is ok. If you're a grandad she must be quite old.

Vance: (7:16 PM) Hope everything works out and we see you tomorrow

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Tapped In chat logs

Connected to TAPPED IN on Sun Nov 11 04:12:58 2001 PST.

VanceS teleports to the reception.

Started recording in Reception (#268)[TappedIn] at Sun Nov 11 04:13:10 2001 PST.

JamesSi says, "Hi Vance"

DanB says, "Same problem I had...couldn't find Multicity."

DanB says, "Hi, Vance."

VanceS asks, "Hi, are you guys having any problem?"

MargaretD has connected.

JamesSi asks, "Vance, Dan and I can hear Dave S. fine but can't open the chat. Any ideas?"

JohnSte says, "Welcome, back Maggi"

JohnSte says, "Hi, Vance."

DanB says, "I am the same as you, James. I can hear Dave, but can't open the chat."

MargaretD says, "I give up"

DanB says, "Never give up, Margaret."

VanceS says, "Hi, I was trying to talk Lian there"

MargaretD says, "yes, well there is a time when you let it go"

VanceS asks, "Can't get the chat? There are html and Java versions. WHich did you pick?"

JamesSi says, "I've tried both, but neither will open"

DanB says, "Same here."

JamesSi says, "It worked fine yesterday, but there was no choice yesterday"

JamesSi says, "It just opened straight away"

MargaretD says, "3 browsers and every time I try to go to Dave's speech I get the illegal operation"

VanceS asks, "I don't know what to say, but at least you can hear the talk, huh?"

VanceS asks, "Maggi, can you hear the talk?"

DanB exclaims, "Yes, I can hear Dave!"

JamesSi says, "Yes, he's a pretty interesting bloke"

MargaretD says, "not if my browser closes"

LianA [to VanceS]: "can you project it? i cannot find it ."

VanceS says, "javascript:popUp2('keynote2/index.shtml')"

VanceS asks, "shall I project? Any objections?"

JohnSte says, "no problem I guess."

LianA says, "i have no, you can ask them."

JamesSi says, "No objection from me, Vance"

DanB waits for projection

MargaretD says, "knocked me off"

You hear a quiet popping sound; MargaretD has lost her link.

JamesSi says, "Maggi's having problems today"

DanB . o O ( Feels badly for Margaret )

Sue has connected.

BJB says, "Hi, Sue"

JohnSte says, "I was having problems earlier, while talking to her on ICQ."

DanB says, "Hi, Sue"

JamesSi says, "Hi Sue"

Sue [guest] says, "hi, BJB"

Sue [guest] says, "hi , all"

JohnSte says, "Hi, Sue."

LianA says, "hi, Sue"

LianA asks, "are you mysailing on yahoo?,sue?"

VanceS says, "I'm on two computers and trying to set one up for broadcasting, so I don't ahve access to all my emails."

Sue [guest] says, "I can not open windows media player to listen to presentation"

VanceS [Webheaded] waves BJB [HelpDesk], JohnSte [Webhead], JamesSi [Webhead], DanB, LianA [happy], and Sue [guest].

MargaretD has connected.

VanceS asks, "Sorry Maggi ... does projecting bump you?"

DanB says, "Welcome back, Margaret."

MargaretD says, "yes"

Sue [guest] says, "hello, maggi"

DanB asks, "Sue, how far do you get?"

VanceS says, "that's why I asked but I guess I won't project any more while you're present"

VanceS asks, "So, did you all get on the site with webheads / webheads id and password?"

MargaretD says, "this zhas been a problem for awhile when I have more than one window open"

DanB nods to Vance

LianA [happy] nods

Sue [guest] says, "yeah, the last step, there is some problems happened"

MargaretD says, "I wasn't fast enough to say no"

JamesSi says, "I've signed up for the whole conference Vance"

MargaretD says, "then it was too late"

Sue [guest] says, "but it seems rif is doing well with it"

VanceS asks, "Do you have your web cam sue?"

Sue [guest] says, "It is my first time to meet Dan"

Sue [guest] says, "yeah, vance, i have."

LianA [happy] giggles

MargaretD says, "when only one person wants an url it would be nice if you only project to them"

DanB says, "Yes, Sue, it's also my first time to meet you."

VanceS says, "yeah, I can use /show to do that"

VanceS says, "if you're on msn messenger you can add and get help getting the chat"

JohnSte says, "Maggi, the marathon came back on at 4:00."

MargaretD says, "wow John, so you had something to keep you awake"

JamesSi [to Dan]: "do you have messenger?"

JohnSte says, "Yep. Had to turn it off when the conference started."

DanB [to JamesSi]: "Yahoo Messenger?"

MargaretD says, "shucks"

Sue [guest] asks, "why you people not use voice chat?"

VanceS says, "If you'd like to ask a question I can type it into the chat"

JamesSi [to Dan]: "yes, but Vance has offered to pass on questions now"

You hear a quiet popping sound; MargaretD has lost her link.

VanceS asks, "Ying Lan is in ICQ. Can someone get in touch with her?"

Sue [guest] says, "i still have not downloaded icq yet"

You hear a quiet popping sound; JamesSi [Webhead] has lost his link.

VanceS says, "you don't need to get ICQ now. YL got in touch with me btw"

VanceS asks, "are you getting sound now Lian?"

DanB asks, "wh Lian That is great, Lian. I'll bet your parents are proud of you. Do you have any brothers or sisters?"

VanceS says, "I'm getting ready to present. Setting up a web cam for fun"

JamesSi has connected.

DanB says, "Best wishes, Vance."

Sue [guest] asks, "What are you guys talking about now?"

JamesSi says, "Lost my link there for some reason"

Sue [guest] says, "]good luck, vance"

DanB says, "Welcome back, James."

JamesSi says, "Trying to do something overambitious I suppose"

JamesSi says, "Good luck with the presentation Vance"

VanceS asks, "is anyone here on MSN Messenger?"

Sue [guest] says, "I am"

JamesSi says, "Trying to get back to the conference now. I'm not on messenger though"

LianA says, "i am on MSN messenger"

Sue [guest] says, "only John there"

You hear a quiet popping sound; JamesSi [Webhead] has disconnected.

Eva has connected.

DanB waves to Eva

VanceS asks, "can you add to your buddy list?"

MargaretD arrives from nowhere.

MargaretD's personal recorder follows MargaretD to here.

VanceS says, "then you can ask them how you can join the chat"

DanB holds up a BIG sign: Margaret is Persistent

VanceS says, "yea! Maggi"

MargaretD says, "and stubborn"

VanceS says, "if you're on Yahoo MSgr you can view my web cam now"

JamesSi has connected.

DanB exclaims, "James has come back!"

JamesSi exclaims, "Back again,all!"

JamesSi says, "Still can't get the chat at the conference though."

JamesSi asks, "Any luck at your end, Dan?"

VanceS says, "there is and if you can add that address to msn messenger there is someone there to help"

DanB says, "No, James, but I'm still enjoying listening."

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_53 [guest] has disconnected.

JamesSi says, "Me too."

BJB [HelpDesk] is amazed to see Vance without his coat and tie!

JamesSi says, "I like the idea of Dave S brushing up on his tie"

VanceS says, "hi bjb, yep, at home now"

JamesSi asks, "Or was that Vance?"

BJB says, "nice to see you, Sue."

Sue [guest] says, "hi, BJB."

BJB [HelpDesk] waves back to Sue

DanB asks, "Sue, may I ask where you live?"

Sue [guest] says, "N"

Sue [guest] says, "Sure, DAN, i am in Japan at present"

JamesSi asks, "N?"

MargaretD says, "She lives in Denmark Dan"

Sue [guest] says, "it is a wrong typing, sorry"

DanB asks, "Is this SusanneN????"

LianA asks, "yes, is this sus?"

MargaretD says, "oops..Susanne does"

BJB says, "no, Sue is in Japan...SusanneN is in Denmark"

Sue [guest] says, "no, this is not Susanne"

MargaretD says, "exactly"

LianA says, "but Susanne also comes from Denmark."

DanB exclaims, "Thanks, I lost my webhead pages that list all the students and tutors!"

VanceS says, "I'm going to try to set up the web cam on my other computers now"

JamesSi asks, "Are you all listening to Dave Sperling at the moment?"

DanB . o O ( Misplaced rather than lost )

DanB nods to James

JohnSte says, "I am."

VanceS says, "my other computer, so going off yahoo there and on again in a moment"

Sue [guest] says, "no, i can not open it"

BJB says, "I'm listening"

JamesSi asks, "still having trouble, Sue?"

Sue [guest] says, "it is not solved at all, I wonder maybe something wrong with my windows media player,"

Sue [guest] says, "I am going to leave now, a bit late . Hope i can read the presentation text later."

Sue [guest] says, "Bye all, enjoy yourselves"

BJB [HelpDesk] waves bye to Sue

JohnSte says, "bye, sue."

JamesSi says, "Bye Sue"

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_151 [guest] has disconnected.

JohnSte says, "Well, time for the Webhead presentation."

DanB exclaims, "Best wishes, John, Vance, and Michael!"

BJB says, "I hope I can get I'm getting the error message when I try to open the audio"

JohnSte says, "I can't get in. I keep getting a message that my name is in use."

MargaretD says, "watch me bounce"

DanB says, "I had the same problem earlier, but got in after the start time."

BJB [HelpDesk] follows the bouncing Maggi

You hear a quiet popping sound; MargaretD has lost her link.

JamesSi [to Dan]: "Reading in the UK"

JamesSi [to Dan]: "30 miles west of London"

MichaelAC has connected.

DanB asks, "to JamesSi Thanks, James. Are you GMT -1, then?"

BJB says, "hi, Mike"

JohnSte says, "Hi MC."

MichaelAC says, "Hi BJ"

MichaelAC says, "and others"

BJB says, "we're all trying to listen to your presentation"

DanB waves to Michael

JamesSi says, "Hi Michael"

MichaelAC says, "it hasn't started yet"

BJB [to Mike]: "did you present yesterday also?"

MichaelAC says, "Yes I did. It was great fun"

JamesSi says, "Trying to get to your presentation now"

Colin has connected.

BJB says, "hi, Colin. welcome to TAPPED IN"

JamesSi [to Dan]: "No, GMT. It's winter now"

JamesSi says, "Hi Colin"

Colin [guest] says, "HI All"

BJB [to Colin [guest]]: "can I help you with something or are you a webhead?"

DanB says, "I just tried, but still can't connect the audio."

Colin [guest] says, "Im in the online conference"

MargaretD has connected.

BJB says, "cool, Colin"

MichaelAC says, "Audio has not started yet Dan"

BJB [HelpDesk] hugs Maggi...welcome back

JohnSte says, "Hi, Colin."

JamesSi asks, "Are you enjoying the conference Colin?"

Colin [guest] says, "Yes but it's difficult to chat online and listen and follow slides"

Colin [guest] exclaims, "real multi tasking!"

MichaelAC exclaims, "You're not kidding!"

JamesSi says, "I couldn't get the chat at the conference for Dave S's presentation, so I'm satisfying my chat urges in TappedIn"

JohnSte says, "Controlled Chaos, Colin."

MargaretD . o O ( I needed that BJB )

Colin [guest] says, "Funny you should say that JohnSte"

KeniK finds his way in.

KeniK's personal recorder follows KeniK to here.

Colin [guest] says, "I'm writing a paper about Chaos Theory as a model for teaching"

JohnSte says, "It's Susannes term."

JamesSi [to Colin [guest]]: "All the material you need is here!"

MargaretD says, "Susanne says chaos navigation"

BJB [HelpDesk] thinks chaos theory is related to gardner's multiple intelligences

Colin [guest] exclaims, "Yes, but thats only one part of it!"

Colin [guest] says, "There is a link with MI"

Colin [guest] says, "thats part of what the papers about"

MargaretD . o O ( along with BJB )

BJB [HelpDesk] nods to Colin. I'd love to read your paper when it's done

Colin [guest] says, "Hoping to deliver it at Arabia TESOL in March next year"

JamesSi says, "How is chaos theory related to teaching, in your view, Colin? Maybe that's a little difficult to answer in a couple of lines :-)"

JohnSte asks, "How do we start the slides?"

aum has connected.

Colin [guest] says, "The concept of trying to control or impose order on a naturally chaotic situation may make the chaos worse"

JamesSi says, "That certainly rings a bell for me"

aum [guest] says, "hi"

JamesSi says, "Hi aum"

aum [guest] says, "hi jame, hi all"

JamesSi says, "Has the presentation started? I don't seem to be able to get in."

DanB says, "John, my screen indicates a click here once you've started the Windows media player."

MichaelAC says, "hn - juast click on the lonks on the top half of the eltoc page to browse slides"

DanB says, "I just now got in."

BJB says, "the media player is working now"

JohnSte says, "I found it."

aum [guest] asks, "now, webheads being here? at reception?"

BJB [HelpDesk] nods to aum

JohnSte says, "Yep."

JamesSi says, "Here we are, aum"

DavidWar arrives from nowhere.
Personal_Recorder_25933 follows DavidWar to here.

DanB says, "We are here, aum."

JamesSi says, "Hi David"

BJB says, "hi, David. Welcome to the webheads discussion"

DanB waves to David

BJB . o O ( didn't hear a thing, Vance! )

DavidWar says, "Hello, all"

JohnSte says, "Hi."

aum [guest] says, "hi david"

LianA says, "he, david"

JamesSi says, "No luck. I'm going to try leaving and coming back in. See you all in a bit..."

Geoff has connected.

You hear a quiet popping sound; JamesSi [Webhead] has lost his link.

BJB says, "hi, Geoff. Welcome"

MichaelAC says, "Sound has begin in eltoc"

aum [guest] says, "i had read chat log on halloween party, sound fun"

Geoff [guest] says, "hi bjb"

SusanneN has arrived.
DiaLog follows SusanneN to here.
TimeLog follows SusanneN to here.

LianA says, "hi, SUs"

SusanneN says, "Hi"

LianA [happy] hugs Sus

Colin [guest] asks, "Is there any way to resize this window?"

BJB [to Geoff [guest]]: "are you a webhead or are you here to explore TAPPED IN?"

BJB [to Colin [guest]]: "click on DETACH in the middle right of your screen"

DavidWar asks, "What is 'webhead'?"

LianA says, "many ppl are webheads"

SusanneN says, "I was in the Eltoc chatroom last hour, but now the password does not work for me."

BJB [to Susanne]: "we had to wait for Vance to start...try again"

SusanneN says, "The Webheads is a English and INternet class meeting here and elsewhere on the internet every sunday, and today is special bnecause some of the webjhead teschers are presenting on an online conference"

SusanneN [to BJB]: "I'll try once more."

SusanneN . o O ( careless typist I am:-) )

Geoff [guest] says, "bjb, Hi, I'm here to explore, I'm at eltoc talk"

DanB says, "Hello, Susanne. I was watching Slide 1, and missed your entrance."

JohnSte says, "Welcome, Geoff."

DanB says, "Hi, Geoff."

You hear a quiet popping sound; SusanneN has disconnected.

Colin [guest] exclaims, "It's great to talk over presenters which you cant normally do!"

Nora has connected.

Nora [guest] says, "hi"

DanB says, "Hi, Nora"

Ang has connected.

JohnSte says, "Hi, Nora."

MargaretD says, "Hi Nora"

DanB says, "Hi, Ang"

Nora [guest] says, "i am listening to Vance in the online conference"

BJB [HelpDesk] waves to Nora and Ang

Nora [guest] says, "and a bit confused, sorry"

Mmoley has connected.

MargaretD says, "Hi Ang"

Ang [guest] exclaims, "me too!!!"

SusanneN has connected.

BJB says, "hi, Mmoley"

Ang [guest] exclaims, "hello!!!"

Mmoley [guest] says, "Hi everyone"

BJB asks, "are you all here with the Webheads chat?"

LianA holds up a BIG sign: welcome Sus back

DanB says, "Hi, Maoley"

Ang [guest] asks, "I feel I've been beamed up to ?????"

MargaretD says, "Hi Maoley"

Ang [guest] asks, "where am I?????"

DavidWar takes a chair in the corner of the room and watches people parade in.

BJB [HelpDesk] smiles at Ang. You're in TAPPED IN Reception

Mmoley [guest] says, "This is good."

Colin [guest] says, "And confusing 8-o"

MargaretD says, "par for the course Colin"

BJB [to David]: "we're listening to Vance give a live presentation on ELTOC about the webheads"

Mmoley [guest] says, "Now I know what webheads mean"

DanB grins at Maoley

MargaretD says, "lol"

Colin [guest] asks, "Is there a cable so I can interface my brain directly?"

BJB [to Colin [guest]]: "then it wouldn't be chaos navigation!"

MargaretD says, "that would be nice #Colin"

Colin [guest] says, "Don't you believe it BJB"

Ang [guest] exclaims, "slide 2...bye!!!"

DanB says, "No, Colin. Most of us just hop up and down on one foot while typing on keyboards."

BJB [HelpDesk] shows DavidW the URL:

DavidW has connected.

DavidW waves to BJB [HelpDesk], JohnSte [Webhead], DanB, LianA [happy], VanceS [Webheaded], MichaelAC, Colin [guest], MargaretD, KeniK, aum [guest], DavidWar, Geoff [guest], Nora [guest], Ang [guest], Mmoley [guest], and SusanneN.

LianA says, "hi, david"

DavidW says, "Hi"

DavidW . o O ( Yikes )

DavidW [to LianA]: "Hi there"

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_83 [guest] has disconnected.

DavidW looks quiet.

LianA says, "i have fish today, david"

DavidW [quiet] is happy for fish.

LianA says, "and dumpling today, david"

LianA says, "and duck today, david"

DavidW looks hungry.

LianA [happy] giggles

SusanneN says, "NOpe, the Java ppalet in the Eltoc chatroom will not load."

DavidW [to LianA]: "That's not fair! All I've had is tea"

LianA [happy] giggles

DavidW [to VanceS]: "Hi there"

MargaretD exclaims, "I'm getting hungry too!"

DavidW says, "Yes, absolutely. I think LianA should bring some of her food."

You hear a quiet popping sound; DavidWar has disconnected.

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_34 [guest] has disconnected.

SusanneN asks, "Who's actually listening to the WEbhead presentation, does it run smoothly by now?"

LianA holds up a BIG sign: fish duck and dumpling

BJB [HelpDesk] nods to's going great

Nora [guest] says, "the presentation is fine"

SusanneN says, "Good to know :-))"

DavidW [hungry] grins.

SusanneN says, "The Windows media player will not load on my dear elderly mac"

DanB says, "Yes, I'm enjoying listening to Vance."

SusanneN exclaims, "Hi Dan!"

DavidW says, "Elderly Macs don't like Windows AT ALL"

DavidW [hungry] grins.

DanB exclaims, "Hi, Susanne!"

DavidW looks quiet.

SusanneN asks, "Are you also in the Eltoc chatroom by now?"

Colin [guest] says, "Too many windows DavidW"

aum has connected.

Mmoley [guest] says, "I am lost in webpages. Got to sort them out. See you all later."

DavidW [to Colin [guest]]: "Sorry about all the windows, but it is nice to be able to see out of them."

DavidW [quiet] waves.

DanB says, "I could never open the chatroom, Susanne."

BJB says, "welcome back, Aum"

aum [guest] says, "hi again"

Mmoley [guest] asks, "How do I get out of here?"

DavidW says, "Take care you all. I'm going to play soccer. Such a beautiful day on the east coast of the US. I'm in New York City at the moment."

aum [guest] asks, "i heard that today will have something special?"

DavidW [quiet] waves to BJB [HelpDesk], JohnSte [Webhead], DanB, LianA [happy], VanceS [Webheaded], MichaelAC, Colin [guest], MargaretD, KeniK, Geoff [guest], Nora [guest], Mmoley [guest], SusanneN, and aum [guest].

DavidW [quiet] smiles.

DavidW holds up a BIG sign: Thanks for being here

DavidW says, "Ciao"

DanB says, "Bye David."

SusanneN [to Dan]: "I was in the chatroom last hour, but for the time Webhead presenation started, I was not allowed with that password"

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_50 [guest] has disconnected.

You hear a quiet popping sound; DavidW [quiet] has disconnected.

BJB [to Mmoley]: "click on LOGOUT in the middle of your screen"

MargaretD says, "ciao David"

LianA says, "ciao david"

SusanneN says, "Hi Aum, yes, Vance, John and Michael are presenting webheads at the eltoc online conference"

Colin [guest] asks, "Cookie problem SusanneN?"

aum [guest] says, "hi susan"

JamesSi has connected.

aum [guest] asks, "what's that conference?"

DanB [to SusanneN]: "This technology is new to me. So, it's good for me to try."

SusanneN [to Colin,]: "why sould that cookie suddenly NOT work when it worked 30 minutes ago?"

Colin [guest] says, "Myabe its time sensitive"

JamesSi says, "Hello All. Back again, and listening to Vance. I have the chat on the conference site as well, at last"

SusanneN says, "It is, yes, it was a guest license for two presentations only, this one was the important one, though"

MargaretD says, "good question Susanne"

SusanneN says, "Hi James"

JamesSi says, "Hi Susanne"

SusanneN asks, "Hi Maggi! Are you on the Eltoc chat site?"

MargaretD says, "no"

SusanneN says, "Ok - then I"

SusanneN says, "I'll just calm down and stay at home in our cosy reception area"

MargaretD says, "I was bounced 6 times"

JamesSi asks, "Is anyone using Yahoo messenger?"

Colin [guest] says, "Yes"

Colin [guest] says, "colin_cd2001"

SusanneN asks, "Oh, did it wokr for you now, James, and not earlier?"

aum [guest] says, "yup"

DanB says, "No, I've downloaded it but haven't used it today, James."

JamesSi [to SusanneN]: "I couldn't get onto the chat for Dave Sperling's presentation"

BJB says, "I hear you fine, Vance"

SusanneN says, "Fun, I was there for the time at dave's presentation/to jameschat"

SusanneN [to JamesFun,]: "I was there for the time at dave's presentation chat"

SusanneN grins, this IS fun

JamesSi says, "I'm going over to the conference chat now"

SusanneN says, "OK"

SusanneN says, "Should I give it one more try, too"

DanB asks, "Can someone tell me how to find the chat room in Yahoo Messenger?"

LianA says, "yes"

LianA says, "dan, you should first download a yahoo messenger"

DanB says, "I did that, but don't know how to get in."

LianA says, "wait..."

LianA says, "then just click chat on the yahoo messenger"

LianA says, "then you will have many choices about which room to go,dan."

DanB says, "I don't find Webheads listed, though."

LianA says, "dan, can I know your yahoo Id, then I can include you in my friend list."

DanB says, "dan_bilitz"

LianA [happy] bows to Dan

DanB asks, "How do I join the chat, Lian?"

LianA asks, "do you see the chat on the messenger?"

LianA asks, "which chat do you mean ?"

You hear a quiet popping sound; MargaretD has disconnected.

aum [guest] asks, "i'm sorry ,,what're u all doing?"

BJB says, "Vance is on his last slide in the presentation"

aum [guest] asks, "hmm where's vance?"

BJB says, "Michael is moderating the chat part of the discussion at ELTOC"

BJB says, "SusanneN is also on the chat...and JamesSi is answering questions also"

Colin [guest] says, "So are you feeling lonely here BJB? ;-)"

BJB says, "John is further explaining some of the rules of webheads"

JamesSi says, "I'm here as well, BJ and Colin"

BJB [HelpDesk] smiles...not at all, Colin!

aum [guest] asks, "well, how can i joine vance?"

BJB . o O ( most of us are in at least two places at once )

BJB says, "Vance is almost finished with his audio presentation"

Colin [guest] exclaims, "Or six!"

BJB . o O ( answering questions now )

aum [guest] says, "ok, tks"

JamesSi says, "He's in room two of the conference, aum"

aum [guest] says, "hmm ok"

SusanneN says, "Lost my chat connection again"

LianA says, "me too"

LianA says, "sus, i lost it too"

SusanneN says, "Just as the questions began to get interesting :-))"

LianA asks, "Wow, text chat or voice chat?"

SusanneN [to Lian]: "I am on text chat only,. as usual :-)"

You hear a quiet popping sound; SusanneN has lost her link.

Colin [guest] says, "I'm going to sign out now, will probably pop in again next week"

Colin [guest] exclaims, "Bye!"

BJB [HelpDesk] waves bye to Colin

DanB says, "Bye, Colin."

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_164 [guest] has disconnected.

Nora [guest] says, "Bye to you all, see you next week, I'd better go back to the conference now."

JamesSi says, "Vance's presentation has finished. He was very good, I thought."

BJB says, "Nice meeting you, Nora"

DanB says, "Bye, Nora."

Nora [guest] says, "it was nice to meet you though"

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_189 [guest] has disconnected.

JamesSi says, "Fielding so many questions scrolling up so quickly must have been difficult"

BJB [HelpDesk] agrees with James.

DanB says, "Yes, James. I enjoyed the whole thing immensely."

BJB says, "it was nice to see you all helping by answering some of the questions"

BJB . o O ( demo of the community )

MargaretD arrives from nowhere.

MargaretD's personal recorder follows MargaretD to here.

BJB [HelpDesk] gives Maggi another warm hug

You hear a quiet popping sound; MichaelAC has disconnected.

DanB says, "I didn't help much, BJ. Trying to get into the chat room took me away from TI a lot."

BJB says, "Time for me to go get some breakfast."

DanB waves to BJ

LianA holds up a BIG sign: enjoy your breakfast

MargaretD exclaims, "enjoy BJB!"

LianA [happy] waves to bjb

LianA [happy] giggles at enjoy bjb

BJB [HelpDesk] waves to you later

BJB looks away.

JamesSi says, "I'll say goodbye too."

LianA looks looks away for a while.

MargaretD exclaims, "Lian we know she won't eaat herself!"

DanB says, "I will have to spend some time this week learning how to use Yahoo Messanger."

DanB says, "Bye, James."

VanceS says, "hi all"

LianA looks happy.

JohnSte says, "See ya'll next week. I'm going to try to get a short nap (Been up all night.)"

VanceS [Webheaded] waves BJB [away], JohnSte [Webhead], DanB, LianA [happy], KeniK, Geoff [guest], aum [guest], JamesSi [Webhead], and MargaretD.

DanB says, "Hi, Vance. Great job."

JamesSi says, "See you later Vance, Dan, everyone"

MargaretD says, "bye James"

DanB says, "Bye, John."

LianA [happy] waves to vance

VanceS says, "hey, everyones here, great YOU were great"

You hear a quiet popping sound; JohnSte [Webhead] has disconnected.

LianA [to Dan]: "it is very esay for yahoo messenger, you will find it."

LianA holds up a BIG sign: good luck to Dan

You hear a quiet popping sound; JamesSi [Webhead] has lost his link.

DanB says, "Thanks, Lian. I'll study how to use it better."

VanceS asks, "how's your mom, Dan?"

LianA [happy] smiles

LianA asks, "how are your grandchildren?"

LianA [happy] waves to vance

DanB says, "Things are fine, Vance. I got her to the doctor. I will call her later to see how the medication is working."

VanceS asks, "thanks lian, did you get to hear it ok?"

VanceS asks, "Did Yaodong make it by?"

LianA says, "what a bummer, something wrong with my media player so i cannot hear it, i tried hard."

DanB says, "I didn't see him."

LianA says, "yaodong can hear very well"

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_154 [guest] has disconnected.

VanceS says, "It's two meg and I have a recording of it"

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_121 [guest] has disconnected.

JamesSi has connected.

LianA says, "they all enjoy the presentation very much,but i cannot hear it."

LianA [happy] looks sad.

DanB says, "I thought that your and Dave's presentation went very well."

VanceS says, "glad to hear things are ok Dan"

JamesSi says, "Hello again..."

VanceS says, "These things usually do go well. And I have so much support from you guys, makes me feel good."

DanB says, "Hi, James. Welcome back."

LianA holds up a BIG sign: congratulations on Vance

JamesSi asks, "I just wanted to ask you, Vance, how you thought the presentation went?"

JamesSi asks, "I mean, was that fairly typical?"

VanceS says, "From my end seemed fine"

VanceS asks, "did anyone join us here from there?"

DanB says, "Although I was busy trying to get to the chat, I thought there were quite a few visitors that came to Tapped In."

VanceS says, "interesting"

JamesSi says, "I think about four or five."

VanceS says, "weve had some presetnations where we couldn't get people to join us"

DanB asks, "Didn't Colin say he was coming back next week?"

JamesSi says, "BJ might know as well; she was here all the time, I think"

JamesSi says, "Juggling the technology is never easy if you are not sure what you are doing..."

VanceS says, "not even if you think you know what you are doing"

JamesSi says, "So I'm sure the technological barrier may have put a few off."

DanB says, "Here are the TI guests I remember: amg, Nora, Colin, Maorley."

VanceS says, "they'll show in the logs"

JamesSi asks, "Are the ELTOC logs being archived as well?"

DanB says, "I thought your comments about the community helping one another navigate was encouraging to newbies."

JamesSi says, "I really am going now. Going swimming with my son."

JamesSi says, "I'll be back at the conference later, I hope."

DanB says, "Swim well, James."

JamesSi says, "See you all later"

LianA [happy] waves bye

You hear a quiet popping sound; JamesSi [Webhead] has disconnected.

VanceS says, "bye lian"

VanceS [Webheaded] smiles

DanB says, "And I'm going to leave also. I have a church meeting in an hour. Thanks to all of you for having me here today."

LianA holds up a BIG sign: enjoy being with Dan

VanceS says, "ok guys I want to get a jog in"

VanceS says, "I'm part of a panel discussion later tonight"

VanceS says, "so I want to jog and eat and come back in a couple of hours"

DanB says, "Best wishes, Vance. See you."

VanceS says, "Thanks VERY much for joining us, YOU GUYS are great."

VanceS says, "Really wonderful being associated with you."

VanceS says, "I've learned a LOT from you people and I really appreciate it."

DanB waves bye to all Webheads.

You hear a quiet popping sound; DanB has disconnected.

VanceS [Webheaded] waves bye BJB [away], LianA [happy], KeniK, and MargaretD.

You hear a quiet popping sound; VanceS [Webheaded] has disconnected.

Disconnected from TAPPED IN on Sun Nov 11 06:06:04 2001 PST.

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