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Webheads chat logs from October 29-Nov 3, 2001

Meet the people in these chats

Vance	Arif	Yaodong	An-Lian	Susanne	Sue
UAE	Turkey	Liuzhou, PRC	Wuhan, PRC	Denmark	Japan

and Rif's and Yaodong's students in Bolu, Turkey and Liuzhou, China

Preparations: A previous appearance at Webheads by Rif's students | Announcing the Nov 4th and 7th conference events | Making plans for the Oct 31 Practice | The Oct 31 Chat session| The Nov 4 chat session | The Nov 7 live T2T2001 conference appearance | The Nov 11 ELT Online Conference virtual presentation | More info on these events at http://www.vancestevens.com/papers

This was a practice session for the live conference event coming up November 7, 2001, 12:00 GMT, at the Teacher to Teacher conference in Abu Dhabi, Concurrent Session #1 at http://www.mli.ac.ae/conference/t2t2001/schedule/default.asp. In its most ambitious endeavor to date, Webheads managed to connect two classes half a world away from each other using live voice and text chat, and 2-way video web cams. Using his co-presentation as a catylist for the event, Rif got his class of computer-assisted language learning students in Bolu Turkey interacting with Yaodong's English language class in Liuzhou, China. Each side took photos, and some of these and other records of the event are presented in this web page.

Rif has more pictures up here: http://saa.ibu.edu.tr/altun/pics.html
Rif's students have made some interesting comments here: http://saa.ibu.edu.tr/altun/ogr.html
See pics from a previous visit of Rif's class to Webheads here: http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/chat2001/wfw010527.htm

Vance sends email announcing the events

Subject: [efiwebheads] All are welcome to join us for chat session with Turkish students, Wed Oct 31, noon GMT
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:50:40 +0400
From: Vance Stevens <vstevens@emirates.net.ae>
To: Webheads <efiwebheads@yahoogroups.com>

Hi everyone,

Our next round of live online conference presentations is coming up soon. Our next conference performance will be Wed, Nov 7, at noon GMT. We're on the schedule at http://www.mli.ac.ae/conference/t2t2001/schedule/default.asp from 4:00-4:50 Wednesday, which is noon to 12:50 GMT

But to prepare for it, we are meeting THIS Wednesday, October 31 at noon GMT. Noon to 12:50 to be exact.

Where? Tapped In, http://www.tappedin.org, and /join vances when you get there
Backup location if Tapped In is down: http://www.homestead.com/vstevens And we plan to use Yahoo Messenger voice and webcam chat

You can download Yahoo Messenger at:
http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/index.html More information on Tapped In and Yahoo Messenger:
http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/software.htm

We have a topic: Students' perceptions of joining online communities from a distance
We have a group gathering: Rif and his class of 10-15 Turkish university students
Meet them at: http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/chat2001/wfw010527.htm

What will happen?
Well, you never know what will happen with Webheads, chaos navigators supreme.
But read below if you'd like to get some idea.

Everyone is welcome. We'd love to have you join us.
See you there (and this is on the REAL Halloween, by the way)

Vance

Making Plans

Vance and Rif make plans in ICQ - Oct 29, 2001

rif 10/29/01 1:06 PM Hi Vance... morning

Vance 10/29/01 1:06 PM hey Rif, caught me at a good time

rif 10/29/01 1:07 PM cool.. getting prepared for the meetings?

Vance 10/29/01 1:07 PM I've got half an hour now

rif 10/29/01 1:08 PM Hey, listen I have about 50 students but the problem is I don't have the equipment for most of them. I announced the classes I teach (two of them- one of which you met some), and most of them said they would love to join...

rif 10/29/01 1:08 PM But, I think I would have about 10-15 people participate both for wednesday and the conference day, what do you think?

Vance 10/29/01 1:09 PM Someone was in my office. I sent him away.

Vance 10/29/01 1:10 PM That sounds fine. Would you be able to join the Yahoo voice chat?

rif 10/29/01 1:10 PM I can install the program tomorrow. I never tried it before though

Vance 10/29/01 1:10 PM Or how would you like them to participate?

Vance 10/29/01 1:11 PM You should try the voice chat. They would love it. And with that I can show you my web cam and the conference hall where we'll be presenting, and they can see the audience

rif 10/29/01 1:11 PM I will be able to manage 5 computer stations, but I was thinking to train some, if they want, so that they can join outside

rif 10/29/01 1:11 PM is it downloadable at yahoo.com?

Vance 10/29/01 1:12 PM That would be fine. You know that usually we meet in Tapped In. That's a good place.

Vance 10/29/01 1:12 PM If you prepare a url somewhere you could project it.

rif 10/29/01 1:12 PM so I assume yahoo voice chat has also video capabilities

Vance 10/29/01 1:13 PM yes, Yahoo Msgr is here: http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/index.html

rif 10/29/01 1:13 PM so, shall we get to the tapped in in the conference, too?

Vance 10/29/01 1:14 PM tapped in is a good place to meet because it keeps a transcript

rif 10/29/01 1:15 PM ok, in your office? Vance 10/29/01 1:15 PM Yes, you just type /join vances to reach where I am

Vance 10/29/01 1:16 PM Can you visit this page: http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/webheads.htm

rif 10/29/01 1:16 PM ok.... for wednesday, I will make the computers ready for yahoo voice chat, and tapped in information for students. I can also take my cam with me to the school, and I can install it in one of the rooms.

Vance 10/29/01 1:17 PM Excellent. Here, try this page, better ... http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/software.htm

Vance 10/29/01 1:17 PM I've just updated it, so it's accurate more or less

Vance 10/29/01 1:19 PM Can you check that page now? I can point out some instructions ..

rif 10/29/01 1:19 PM I am now at the software.htm page

Vance 10/29/01 1:20 PM ok, at the top of each Webheads page there's a rundown of our chat sites

rif 10/29/01 1:20 PM yes..

Vance 10/29/01 1:21 PM and in the table just below you can find links to instructions on reaching tapped in and what to expect on Yahoo Messenger

rif 10/29/01 1:21 PM ok...

rif 10/29/01 1:22 PM http://www.vance_stevens.com/findbuds.htm#tappedin that lýnk seems to be a dead lýnk

Vance 10/29/01 1:22 PM We will find each other on ICQ of course, but if there is any problem with Tapped In we should use Homestead - (checking the link)

rif 10/29/01 1:23 PM ok, the one at the bottom works, but the one on the right side cell does not

Vance 10/29/01 1:23 PM I see the problem. It's supposed to be vancestevens.com I'll fix it.

Vance 10/29/01 1:24 PM thanks for letting me know

rif 10/29/01 1:24 PM np

Vance 10/29/01 1:25 PM I'll make an announcement on Webheads that we are meeting on Wed at noon. I think for this one no need to invite the world. We'll keep it informal.

rif 10/29/01 1:25 PM is this a 30-min session?

rif 10/29/01 1:25 PM that 's a good idea1

Vance 10/29/01 1:25 PM Let me find you the url

rif 10/29/01 1:26 PM I have it!

Vance 10/29/01 1:26 PM Here there's an announcement of our 'tentative' session which I will change http://www.geocities.com/vance_stevens//papers and a link to the conference site

rif 10/29/01 1:27 PM I am half way down to install yahoo

Vance 10/29/01 1:28 PM good :-) The schedule is here: http://www.mli.ac.ae/conference/t2t2001/schedule/default.asp and we're 4:00-4:50 wed, which is noon to 12:50 GMT

Vance 10/29/01 1:29 PM Would you like for there to be any structure? A topic for example?

rif 10/29/01 1:30 PM yes, I was thinking about it! How about projecting students' experiences both in a written and spoken form from students? such as students' perceptions of joining online communities from a distance? Or would you have any other suggestions?

Vance 10/29/01 1:31 PM GOOD one: students' perceptions of joining online communities from a distance

rif 10/29/01 1:31 PM do you have that paper available in digital format? I would be interested in reading it

Designing a CALL facility from bottom to top at the Military Language Institute in Abu Dhabi

Vance 10/29/01 1:32 PM Yes, I'm sure I do. I'll put getting it up there on my list of things to do

rif 10/29/01 1:32 PM actually, a friend of mine did a doctoral dissertation on using tapped in, maybe we can use some references from there too, to back up

Vance 10/29/01 1:33 PM There's soomone else who wants it as well

Vance 10/29/01 1:33 PM That would make interesting reading. Maybe we can collaborate on a paper afterwards. There's always a proceedings in fact.

rif 10/29/01 1:33 PM cool

rif 10/29/01 1:35 PM actually I have more information about students and their demographic characteristics. Would that be also interesting to mention

rif 10/29/01 1:35 PM is your time up to leave?

Vance 10/29/01 1:36 PM In a few minutes I have to leave. I suppose we can get together on Wed with the students and talk about what we'll do. This sounds like fun.

Vance 10/29/01 1:37 PM If they have any writings or demographic info, we could develop a website for it and link to it from Webheads

rif 10/29/01 1:37 PM yeap. so let me know if you need demographic info, such as their self perceptions on computer level, attitudes toward communcicating with computers, etc.

rif 10/29/01 1:38 PM ok... we can do that as well. I collected a lot of demographic data for the study I carry on...

Vance 10/29/01 1:38 PM Yes, eventually, of course, that would go well in the proceeds

Vance 10/29/01 1:38 PM I guess I should be going. I'll look for you again tomorrow?

rif 10/29/01 1:39 PM ok take care...

rif 10/29/01 1:40 PM I am around today and tomorrow most of the day

Vance 10/29/01 1:40 PM ok, around this time ??

rif 10/29/01 1:40 PM yeap

Vance 10/29/01 1:40 PM ok, see you then.

rif 10/29/01 1:41 PM bye

Vance 10/29/01 1:41 PM ciao for niao

rif 10/29/01 1:41 PM ari_altun2001 for my yahoo ID

rif 10/29/01 1:41 PM sorry arif_altun2001

Vance 10/29/01 1:42 PM ok

Vance 10/29/01 1:43 PM adding you now. I'm vance_stevens

Vance and Rif touch base Oct 30, 2001

rif 10/30/01 3:41 PM hi

Vance 10/30/01 6:00 PM Hey RIf, I was just about to go home. Would you like to fire up Yahoo before I head out?

rif 10/30/01 6:01 PM hi there/ I had a terrible connection here\ I couldnt install it to my laptop yet

rif 10/30/01 6:01 PM but my friend has one accont, if you can hang around for another 5-10 min, I can see to it

Vance 10/30/01 6:02 PM oh, ok, well it should go ok tomorrow.

Vance 10/30/01 6:02 PM ok, I can hang around that long if you want me to.

rif 10/30/01 6:02 PM cool\ hold on a sec

Vance 10/30/01 6:03 PM on hold

rif 10/31/01 11:39 PM hey

Vance and Yaodong try out Yahoo voice chat Oct 30, 2001

vance_stevens: Hang on, I'm starting a voice chat from here.

jjcyd: will u invite me? now? /ok?

vance_stevens: ok

jjcyd: heard us?

jjcyd: here?

vance_stevens: Yaodong, are you here?

vance_stevens: are you there Yaodong?

jjcyd: greaT!!!!

vance_stevens: any luck?

jjcyd: to me

jjcyd: i am so glad . no jtey are gone

jjcyd: hear me?

jjcyd: that is a problem

jjcyd: so i will ask the technician for help

jjcyd: he might connect the micro for me

jjcyd: good ,thanks a lot.

jjcyd: you have a golden voice

jjcyd: great!!!

jjcyd: nice to see you.

jjcyd: i saw u waving to me

jjcyd: sure

jjcyd: how my students will feel when they come

jjcyd: they will be very excited

jjcyd: thank god for this technoligoy

jjcyd: technology

jjcyd: tmorow morning

jjcyd: and tomorrow evening

jjcyd: i have 2 classes

jjcyd: what will your time

vance_stevens: http://www.vancestevens.com/papers

jjcyd: webhead ?

vance_stevens: noon GMT Wed Oct 31

jjcyd: let me note it donw

jjcyd: from turkey?

vance_stevens: noon to 12:50 we have a class from Turkey joining us

jjcyd: at noon?

jjcyd: good

vance_stevens: efiwebheads-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

vance_stevens: lost the voice server, waiting

jjcyd: i will do that assp

jjcyd: how was the holleyween party thatnight?

vance_stevens: anyway, you send email to that address to get on our mailing list for events

jjcyd: what time is it there now?

vance_stevens: 9 a.m. (GMT +4)

jjcyd: 9:00 in the moring there?/close to gulin called liuzhou

jjcyd: it is 1:00 pm

jjcyd: it is south to guilin

jjcyd: find it on www.queencity.com/sca

jjcyd: www.queencity.com/sca/liuzhou_html

jjcyd: wheere are you? in California?

jjcyd: it is 1:00 in hte afternoon here.

jjcyd: liuzhou

jjcyd: about sister city liuzhou

vance_stevens: Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates

jjcyd: find it?

jjcyd: liuzhou?

jjcyd: see the picture?

vance_stevens: http://www.queencity.com/sca/tour_liuzhou.htm

vance_stevens: http://www.vancestevens.com/caving.htm

jjcyd: see it?

jjcyd: sure, cakes?

vance_stevens: cakes?

vance_stevens: I see the fountain square I think

vance_stevens: very pretty

jjcyd: see it?

vance_stevens: I'll send this link out to the webheads

jjcyd has enabled voice conference. (10/30/01 at 9:02 AM)

jjcyd: i cannot log on to ...caving.htm

jjcyd: notyet

jjcyd: still logging

vance_stevens: Geocities is probably blocked in China

vance_stevens: it's a geocities site

jjcyd: is it www.geocities.com/vance_stevens?

vance_stevens: yes /caving.htm

jjcyd: it is going nowhere

vance_stevens: Geocities is blocked in China I think. This one is probably ok.

jjcyd: behind firewalls?

jjcyd: i can watch CNN online here ,though

vance_stevens: I think you are in China. It's just geocities and maybe Tripod.

vance_stevens: Homestead is ok I think. Try this one:

vance_stevens: http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/webheads.htm

vance_stevens: my web cam is slowing my computer

vance_stevens: I'm going to turn it off now

jjcyd: ok

jjcyd: got it, good!!!

jjcyd: at what tiem?

vance_stevens: ok, I have to go because I'm taking up the phone line

vance_stevens: Tomorrow, noon GMT

jjcyd: it is 1:10

jjcyd: pm

jjcyd: gmt+8

jjcyd: your time zone?

jjcyd: good!!!

jjcyd: see you then. many thanks. great!!!

jjcyd:

jjcyd: thanks again.

vance_stevens: http://www.mli.ac.ae/conference/

vance_stevens: http://lightning.prohosting.com/~vstevens/t2t2001/proposal_webheads.htm

vance_stevens: We're practicing tomorrow for our conference appearance

jjcyd: nice ot meet /see you

jjcyd: htank again

jjcyd:

vance_stevens: ok, bye

jjcyd: bye

jjcyd:

Rif and Vance try out Yahoo voice chat Oct 30, 2001

vance_stevens: sorry, I had to restart too

vance_stevens: any better? Can you hear?

arif_altun2001: hey there

vance_stevens: ok? Working?

arif_altun2001: coolll

vance_stevens: can you hear me clearly?

vance_stevens: YOur voice is breaking up badly

vance_stevens: I couldn't understand you actually

vance_stevens: Are you going to join us from that connection tomorrow?

arif_altun2001: what happened?

arif_altun2001: cool we can see you here

vance_stevens: waiting for permission from you

vance_stevens: I can't see your yet

arif_altun2001: maybe you can turn yours off ýf ýt helps

vance_stevens: The voice server shut down

vance_stevens: Still waiting for permission from you (it says here)

arif_altun2001: yeap... how about the motýon

vance_stevens: I can't see yours yet

arif_altun2001: it did aks me the permission rýght now

arif_altun2001: I can see you smile

arif_altun2001: I have two colleagues next to me who will join us tomorrow

vance_stevens: great

arif_altun2001: sound is dstorting

vance_stevens: ok, I should shut down my camera

arif_altun2001: this is fahrettin

vance_stevens: hi. I 'm going to shut down to try to see you.

arif_altun2001: ok..

arif_altun2001: this is Selmin

arif_altun2001: yeap

vance_stevens: Hi Selmin. Can you hear me better now.

vance_stevens: We base ourselves in tapped in

vance_stevens: network path not found?

arif_altun2001: no, it is the applet

vance_stevens: your computer is java enabled?

vance_stevens: your browser?

arif_altun2001: ie 5

arif_altun2001: i need to catch a class now, but i will make sure it works tomorrow..since the problem is not the server

vance_stevens: ok, well, it's just a practice session

vance_stevens: We'll find something that works

arif_altun2001: so itis going to be 2.00 pm in Turkish time

arif_altun2001: ý did not get your last sentence

vance_stevens: I thnk that's right. It's 4:30 htere now?

arif_altun2001: it is 4:30 here too

arif_altun2001: ythere =< here

arif_altun2001: ok that,s enough to boogle :*)

vance_stevens: 6:30 in abu dhabi, 4:30 there?

arif_altun2001: my friends say bye too

arif_altun2001: catch you tomorrow....

Yahoo! Messenger: arif_altun2001 has logged back in. (10/30/01 at 6:44 PM)

Sue notices Vance's web cam Oct 30, 2001

mysailing: hi, vance, your camera works well

vance_stevens: hi sue

vance_stevens: I'm with Rif right now

vance_stevens: and rif is trying to broadcast to me

mysailing: oh, i see. he is using web camera too?

vance_stevens: arif_altun2001

mysailing: can i see two cameras at same time?

vance_stevens: can you see RIf?

mysailing: no, i can not open his webcam

vance_stevens: ok, I have to shut mine down to try to see his.

vance_stevens: ok, now we can try to see Rif. Have you added him?

mysailing: yeah, but can not open his still

vance_stevens: You said you could see two cameras. What was the other one?

mysailing: no, i said i can not see two cameras.

vance_stevens: Rif is turning his off too

vance_stevens: We're going to try to broadcast is

vance_stevens: his I mean

mysailing: you saw his camera a moment ago?

vance_stevens: no, not yet

vance_stevens: I'm trying tapped in

mysailing: no camera?

vance_stevens: not yet, we're trying tapped in

mysailing: ok, i see

vance_stevens: rif is having trouble. Can you get there?

mysailing: tapped in? ok, let me try

mysailing has enabled voice conference. (10/30/01 at 6:44 PM)

mysailing: i see, i can not find my mic now

mysailing: good night

mysailing: bye

Sue and Vance pop over to Tapped In

Connected to TAPPED IN on Tue Oct 30 06:36:27 2001 PST.

VanceS teleports to the reception.

Stopped recording in VanceS's Office (#12249) at Tue Oct 30 06:37:15 2001 PST.

Started recording in Reception (#268)[TappedIn] at Tue Oct 30 06:37:15 2001 PST.

VanceS says, "hi bjb"

sue has connected.

VanceS says, "Hi Sue. Rif is having trouble getting here."

VanceS says, "But it seems ok for you."

sue [guest] says, "Hi, it seems there are a lot of person here"

VanceS says, "You know we're meeting here at noon gmt tomorrow."

VanceS says, "Yeah, there must be a class on"

sue [guest] says, "I know, i read the mail. I would try to come here"

VanceS says, "Ok, that will be nice."

VanceS asks, "How are things?"

BJB [Teaching] waves hi to Vance and Sue

sue [guest] says, "HiBF"

VanceS says, "Hi."

sue [guest] says, "HI"

VanceS says, "We're just practicing for the practice tomorrow"

sue [guest] says, "everything is fine"

PattiSu has connected.

VanceS says, "I think I'm going to go home. 7 pm here and I'm tired."

sue [guest] says, "ok,bye Vance, good night"

VanceS says, "ok, nice to see you."

sue [guest] says, "i am leaving to sleep too, midnight now"

sue [guest] says, "bye"

VanceS says, "that's late. See you tomoorrow"

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_23 [guest] has disconnected.

AaronA has connected.

BraskaW arrives from nowhere.

BraskaW's personal recorder follows BraskaW to here.

You hear a quiet popping sound; AaronA has lost his link.

You hear a quiet popping sound; BJB [Teaching] has lost her link.

MatthewV has connected.

You hear a quiet popping sound; VanceS [Webheaded] has lost his link.

Disconnected from TAPPED IN on Tue Oct 30 07:02:39 2001 PST.

Vance and Yaodong make final preparations Oct 31, 2001

jjcyd: Hello! nice to see you again. how are things going there? /preparing for today's conference at the moment?

vance_stevens: Hi. Yes, preparing for a number of conferences

vance_stevens: Today's is a practice for the actual event Nov 7, noon GMT

jjcyd: I feel excited at the thought my students will be seeing you and your students this evening here.

vance_stevens: Great. We look forward to meeting you as well. And putting a class in Turkey in touch with a class in China is a fine accomplishment.

jjcyd: i tis bad we don't have webcam but i can transfer pictures taken in the class to you then.

vance_stevens: Yes, that would be great. We'll put anything you send us on our website and keep a record of the event on the Internet

jjcyd: great!!! by the way, wheer are you in Turkey?

vance_stevens: I'm in Abu Dhabi at the MLI, http://www.mli.ac.ae

vance_stevens: Arif Altun is at the University of Nigde in Turkey

vance_stevens: That's between Istanbul and Ankara

vance_stevens: I never did look up your location on a map. Can you give me the name of the city one more time (so I can spell it correctly in a map search)

jjcyd: ok, Liuzhou is the city. It is in the middle of guangxi Province.

jjcyd: Abu Dhabi must be a beautiful place.

vance_stevens: It is. I have a map here showing Guilin

jjcyd: liuzhou is in the south of guilin, 2 hours by car./u ever been to guilin?

vance_stevens: No, I've been to Hong Kong and Macau, and Beijing and Hohhot and Kashgar in Xingjang Province

jjcyd: welcome to Guilin one day!

vance_stevens: I'll have to make another visit to China. I'm making a lot of friends there.

vance_stevens: Welcome to Abu Dhabi !!

jjcyd: chance for me to go abroad is slim. i don't regret having been born now that i have been to West Europe, fiananced by the State Educational commission,

vance_stevens: Where did you go?

jjcyd: Holland for one year and i travelled ot other EU countires,too. a great time!!!

vance_stevens: Did you live in Holland for a year?

jjcyd: yes, 364 days...

vance_stevens: almost a year

vance_stevens: almost a year (I got a message that my message wasn't sent just now)

jjcyd: we used to cycle to Germany from a border city in Holland called nijmegen, lots of fun! we looked for peanuts in the woods along the border...

jjcyd: Vance, i have made a slide show for my class next week. i used power point but the file is very big as i have 70 pictures( slides) in it. how can i 'split' it and then save in my floppy disc, i am unsure of winzip.

vance_stevens: You could convert it to html (but you'd lose the animation)

vance_stevens: It is also possible to split it into several interlinked ppt documents

jjcyd: efiwebhead-subscribe@yahoogroups.com is valid?// oh, really? use what ?

vance_stevens: You might also have a look at your pictures. If you imported large pics and reduced them in ppt, then you might achieve the same affect by reducing the picture sizes and THEN importing them (to reduce the size of your ppt)

vance_stevens: The correct address is: efiwebheads-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

vance_stevens: webheads not webhead

jjcyd: ok,let me try again.

vance_stevens:

jjcyd: got the confirmation from webheads// Vance, my friend Lian An praised you , saying your sound musical. I agree. she is online,too.

vance_stevens: She sounds very musical herself. Would she like to join us?

jjcyd: are u busy?//won't you invite her to our conference this evening?

vance_stevens: Yes, can you tell her?

vance_stevens: By sending in your efiwebheads@yahoogroups.com request, you get on our mailing list to know when we hold our conferences

vance_stevens: I don't think Lian has done that yet, so maybe she didn't get the word ...

jjcyd: ok, i am telling her now.she looks forwrd to the meeting.

vance_stevens: Excellent. There's more information at http://www.vancestevens.com/papers

jjcyd: she is with me now.

Yahoo! Messenger: You are now logged into voice conference - jjcyd-122838.

Yahoo! Messenger: an_lian has joined the conference.

an_lian: hi, vance!

vance_stevens: Hi Lian.

jjcyd: here?

an_lian: we will meet your stu this evening ,right?

vance_stevens: Actually they are Arif's students

an_lian: great, it would be very interesting.

vance_stevens: They are in Turkey. Arif has been interested in Webheads for some time.

jjcyd: hi, nice to meet you two musical people. I admire you both.

vance_stevens: You can see their pictures if you like.

vance_stevens: I'm sure you are musical too, Dong

vance_stevens: Is it correct to call you Dong?

an_lian: what is webhead mean on earth?// great, i would like to have a look.// yaodong's voice is harsh but magnetic.hahahahaha

jjcyd: i have a hoarse sound

an_lian: but quite unique, and that is the most wonderful thing to be yourself.

jjcyd: call me dong, yd or whatever, ann calls me bitehole.

understand her meaning?

vance_stevens: Webhead is kind of a joke name

vance_stevens: It should mean someone whose head is filled with cobwebs like spiders make

vance_stevens: but of course we use it to mean the World Wide Web

an_lian:

jjcyd: good explanation for webheads...

vance_stevens: Also, a 'head' in hippy times meant someone who was intensely focused on something

an_lian: can anyone be webhead?

jjcyd: it is lunch time here. Vance , had your breakfast already?

vance_stevens: Of course, just send email to efiwebheads-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

an_lian: yes, so anyone who focus onweb can be webhead.

vance_stevens: or just by participating you are a webhead.

jjcyd: lian, i got a reply for webheads-subscribe 2 minutes ago.

an_lian: // i got many letters from Vance's group.

jjcyd: vance, do you make intensive use of MOOs in classroom teaching?

an_lian: but i remeber the vance on photo is very fat, however, you are very slim on webcam.

vance_stevens: my only online teaching is with Webheads. Moos are hard to use here because of the firewall

vance_stevens: What photo makes me look fat (I have to get rid of that one)!!

an_lian: on the page you once project to me.hehehehehehe, don't worry, not obeses at all, only a bit fat.

an_lian: obese---typo.

jjcyd: // vance, according chinese tradition, being fat for men is positive.thin ppl are worried here.

an_lian: hehehehehehe. bitehole is not too fat, so he worried much.

vance_stevens: beauty is in the eye of the beholder

an_lian: yes, his wife is the only one who say he is handsome.

vance_stevens: (do you understand that saying?) (to behold means to look at something)

an_lian: yes, i understand it.

jjcyd: Moos are good students' to explore at their spare time. schMOOze has done that well. Venny did a good job. and i used ot attend a MOO lecture by bj from Isreal. /yes, behold=look at sth.

jjcyd: an , i am putting on some weight this month.

vance_stevens: I'm not familiar with Venny's work. Does he develop moos?

an_lian: congratulations, i am losing some weight.

vance_stevens: I'm running a half marathon Nov 9 and I ran 18 km two nights ago

vance_stevens: on the other hand, I like a beer now and then

jjcyd: venny does, also on tappedin and achieve MOO and grassroots // LIan does not need to lose weight. I like to see you plump...

jjcyd: have to leave you two now. tiem to cook and eat lunch. see u this evenig, have a great day!!!

vance_stevens: Lian sent us a very nice picture. I'm sorry I'm behind in my web work, but I promise to have it up on your web page this weekend

an_lian: thank you, can i write sth for my webpage?

vance_stevens: of course. We encourage that

vance_stevens: please do!

an_lian: yes, i will take sometime to write a good article for it, you know good articel don't come all of a sudden, i must write something that is qualified.

vance_stevens: You can look on our virtual community page for some topic ideas

an_lian: yes

vance_stevens: http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/vcommunity.htm

vance_stevens: This is where you can read what Webheads have written so far

an_lian: yes, i got it.

an_lian: vance, i saw that fat photo of yours.

vance_stevens: If you find a topic you like, you can read what others have said and reply, or just start your own topic

vance_stevens: one good way to write is to send a message to efiwebheads@yahoogroups.com

vance_stevens: We can put those messages on your webheads pages

an_lian: vance, the fat photos is on the page of yinglan's topic, life is perfect? here is a vance looks fat.

vance_stevens: Incidentally, Yaodong, I just approved your subcription to webheads, so you should be getting Lian's mail when she sends it to Webheads

vance_stevens: Now, about this photo (going there now ...

an_lian: probably, you are not the same vance.

vance_stevens: on this page? http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/perfect_life.htm

an_lian: it is you. vance, it said a teacher from usa, in abu dhabi. a little fat.

an_lian: you can find it on WFW:

vance_stevens: There are so many pages ... which one?

an_lian: WFW, then there is a map, then there are many ppl's photos in a line down to the end of the page.

an_lian: vance, and bitehole, i must leave now, i will prepare for my lecture this afternnon now, see you this evening/

an_lian: bye, have a nice afternoon.

vance_stevens: ok, I was just about to find you the complete picture though

vance_stevens: hang on just a sec

an_lian: yes, i will hang on.

vance_stevens: http://www.geocities.com/vance_stevens/running.htm

an_lian: it is running now.

vance_stevens: I think maybe because I was straining my neck in that picture

vance_stevens: Interesting, though

an_lian: i haven't got it, are you sure you give me the right page?

vance_stevens: oh Geocities!!!

vance_stevens: Maybe you have to go through Safeweb ...

an_lian: no, i cannot access there, it said i cannot.

vance_stevens: Yeah, Geocities is blocked in china

vance_stevens: can you reach http://www.safeweb.com?

an_lian: wuwuwuwuwuwu.

vance_stevens: If you can, maybe you can type the url in there

vance_stevens: Moral uses it to reach blocked sites

an_lian: no, still cannot.

an_lian: problem report--- it never fails.

vance_stevens: I'll just have to email it to you Lian

an_lian: yes, great!!!!!!!!!

vance_stevens: Which address should I use?

an_lian: anlianva@chinaren.com or an_lian80@hotmail.com

vance_stevens: There's a send file here .. should I use that?

an_lian: yes, you can.

vance_stevens: ok

vance_stevens: finding the file

an_lian: see you this evening, have a nice day.// thank you very much.

an_lian:

Yahoo! Messenger: an_lian has left the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: an_lian has logged out. (10/31/01 at 9:05 AM)

vance_stevens: I'll have to email it to her

jjcyd: hi, still hanging on? i have cooked some soup.

jjcyd: had yur brekfast??

vance_stevens: good idea, might have some now ...

vance_stevens: I'm at my desk at work ...

jjcyd: have to leave now. see you at 8 this evening? (4 pm yur time?)

vance_stevens: That's right. Ok, thanks for the chat. See you then

vance_stevens: That's right. Ok, thanks for the chat. See you then

jjcyd: thank you so much bye

Yahoo! Messenger: jjcyd has left the conference.

Rif and Vance prepare the morning of Oct 31

arif_altun2001: morning there

vance_stevens: hi how are you?

vance_stevens: guess what, ..

vance_stevens: It looks like a class from Turkey will be in touch with a class from Liuzhou China today

arif_altun2001: It is still early here to make any educated guesses Þ*=

arif_altun2001: cool... that is something!

vance_stevens: I think so. The teacher, Yaodong, was on with me this morning and is quite excited about it

vance_stevens: I wonder if they'll be back Nov 7

arif_altun2001: I think it all depends on the computer avaiablity, what do you think: do you thýnk they have good facilities over there

arif_altun2001: I have arranged a computer lab with 20 computers. But there is no internet connection. THere is one in the building though. I will try to make it ready for Nov 7 so that I can have more participant from here

vance_stevens: not sure. They do a lot of online work with us on Sunday noon GMT

vance_stevens: sorry, we've got too many computers here. I've just been called out to fix a couple. Back now.

vance_stevens: So, I'm not sure what you mean, you have arranged a lab with 20 computers with no internet connection. How would you participate with no connection?

arif_altun2001: that was a bonus!

vance_stevens: sorry? Are they LAN connected?

arif_altun2001: No they are not yet! Thatis my challange to incorporate them into the existing LAN

vance_stevens: So this is just your latest accomplishment (not related to our presentation)

vance_stevens: I meant

arif_altun2001: right! :*)

vance_stevens: cool

vance_stevens: sounds like real work

vance_stevens: how's everything for today?

arif_altun2001: just fine I have some students here I am telling them about the China class

vance_stevens: Liuzhou is south of Guilin, about halfway between Hong Kong and Kunming

vance_stevens: Do you have a URL for your University. Yaodong asked about your setting.

vance_stevens: I notice a lot of your links on your pages aren't working, Rif. Fixing those soon I hope.

arif_altun2001: www.ibu.edu.tr is the university webpage

arif_altun2001: www.saa.ibu.edu.tr/altun is our course web site

vance_stevens: Let me think what I did with Yaodong's url ...

arif_altun2001: Unfortunatly we don't have the webpage for faculty of education

vance_stevens: This one doesn't work: http://www.saa.ibu.edu.tr/altun/

arif_altun2001: ignore the www

arif_altun2001: did it work now:

vance_stevens: yes, working now

vance_stevens: So these are your CALL course students

arif_altun2001: mostly... the others are my intro-computers for teachers course students

vance_stevens: sounds like a good activity for them we have planned

vance_stevens: I found Yaodong's city URL

Yahoo! Messenger: arif_altun2001 has logged out. (10/31/01 at 12:18 PM)

vance_stevens: too late

Rif comes back shortly ...

arif_altun2001: hey, can we join your room while you are not there (I mean technically possible?

vance_stevens: sorry, had to step out. You mean in Tapped In? Of course. Welcome any time.

vance_stevens: I've got Yaodong's url

vance_stevens: http://www.queencity.com/sca/tour_liuzhou.htm

arif_altun2001: ok thnx

vance_stevens: I'm going to try to see if I can prepare a preconference page now. Three hours to go ...

Yahoo! Messenger: arif_altun2001's status is now "Idle" (10/31/01 at 1:36 PM)

BJB comes on to say Hi the morning of Oct 31

bj_berquist: good day, Vance

vance_stevens: Hi BJ, I'm just setting up

bj_berquist: Yaodong was looking for someone yesterday to demo the webcam for his class

vance_stevens: I think I found him yesterday, or visa versa

bj_berquist: Oh, good

vance_stevens: just testing now

bj_berquist: looking like your usual handsome self

vance_stevens: it's working then

bj_berquist: yep!

vance_stevens: ok, shutting down

vance_stevens: drains those resources

vance_stevens: I just dropped it. Scared me.

bj_berquist: I understand

bj_berquist: dropped what?

bj_berquist: the cam?

vance_stevens: yeah, pretty solid though

bj_berquist: gotta go get ready for work...good luck with the test for the conference today

bj_berquist: I'd log in but they frown on typing and driving at the same time

vance_stevens: ok, see you around

Yahoo! Messenger: bj_berquist has logged out. (10/31/01 at 2:37 PM)

The pre-conference practice session, October 31, 2001

Vance gets with Arif as the event gets under weigh

arif_altun2001: i am back. I was away for lunch

vance_stevens: hi, yeah, just working on websites. Everyone's gone for the weekend now

arif_altun2001: I see you had thursday and fridays off ?

vance_stevens: that's right, need a break, too

arif_altun2001: I will take instant shot of students today as they participate. We can post them on the website as well

arif_altun2001: shots I mean

vance_stevens: perfect. I think Yaodong said he'd take some pics too

arif_altun2001: cool..

vance_stevens: I hope I can sort my websites out this weekend. Lots of web jobs piling up

arif_altun2001: I am expecting problems with connecting to tapped in.. it is not the browser thing..

vance_stevens: lets see if I can get there

arif_altun2001: do you know a yahoo user with mysailing nick

vance_stevens: Yes, that's Sue in Japan, a gentle webhead

arif_altun2001: ok..

vance_stevens: tapped in is acting strange ...

arif_altun2001: experience the same thing? It does act strange. It turns out to be normal after trying couple of times

vance_stevens: or it could be my netscape - just shut it down

arif_altun2001: no no.. it is happening time to time

vance_stevens: it seems to be working in IE for me now

vance_stevens: yep, in my office

vance_stevens: any luck?

vance_stevens: there's an efl in my office. Friend of yours?

arif_altun2001: yes, Fahrettin Bey

arif_altun2001: he will have some students together with him in his office for this and the coming week gathering

vance_stevens: ok, good, he has succeeded in gaining access

arif_altun2001: tapped in is terribly slow.. it must be the server

arif_altun2001: yes.

vance_stevens: Is Fahrettin nearby?

arif_altun2001: accross the corridor

vance_stevens: ok ... there you are ..

arif_altun2001: finally

vance_stevens: good lad!

Vance and Yaodong hook up in Yahoo

jjcyd: hi, Vance, getting ready?

vance_stevens: Hi Yaodong. Rif and his colleague are at tapped in now

jjcyd: yes, how about yahoo webcam? ready?

jjcyd: heaar me?

jjcyd: i can,veryu well.

jjcyd: webcam ready?

vance_stevens: have you got a picture?

vance_stevens: and are you able to join us in tapped in?

Yahoo! Messenger: jjcyd has logged back in. (10/31/01 at 3:51 PM)

An-Lian joins the Yahoo voice chat

an_lian: hi, how to join you?

vance_stevens: Hi Lian, I'll see if I can get you into the chat with Yaodong

an_lian: yes, you haven't invite me, i don't know how to join.

Yahoo! Messenger: You are now logged into voice conference - vance_stevens-33942.

Yahoo! Messenger: an_lian has joined the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: jjcyd has joined the conference.

an_lian: hi, there

jjcyd: we cam hear u

an_lian: who?

an_lian: i cannot hear you either.

jjcyd: can u hear us?

an_lian: no.

vance_stevens: I'm having trouble with it at the moment. Hang on ...

an_lian: yes.

an_lian: bitehole, are you talking?

jjcyd: nl

jjcyd: vance? Ann?

an_lian: ok, now

jjcyd: ok there?

an_lian: yes, i can hear vance, how about you?

an_lian: why so silent?

jjcyd: no sound at all

jjcyd: vance is having trouble ,too.he is busy

vance_stevens: no sound from me? I can hear Lian

an_lian: i can hear vance.// how b\about you yd?

an_lian: yd, where are you now?

vance_stevens: Yaodong, I just shut my web cam off

an_lian: yd, can you hear us.

Yahoo! Messenger: jjcyd has left the conference.

vance_stevens: I got a call on my mobile

an_lian: go ahead.

We re-start the Yahoo voice conference to enable others to join

Yahoo! Messenger: You are now logged into voice conference - vance_stevens-35431.

Yahoo! Messenger: an_lian has joined the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: jjcyd has joined the conference.

jjcyd: hear us?

an_lian: so how about you, bitehole?

jjcyd: cannot hear us?

Yahoo! Messenger: arif_altun2001 has joined the conference.

an_lian: yd, can you hear us?

jjcyd: no, i cannot

jjcyd: u heard him?

an_lian: i can hear vance.

an_lian: so what is the problem?

jjcyd: we can hear u? /hear us?

an_lian: yes, i can hear yd just now.

jjcyd: good.i can hear you both.

an_lian: where are your stu?

jjcyd: my ssstudents are in thelab

an_lian: why don't you speak?

an_lian: Liuzhou.

an_lian: the city of liuzhou

vance_stevens: Who are we speaking to ?

an_lian: we are talking to yaodong's student.

vance_stevens: You have to pull down friend / view web cam at the top of this window

an_lian: can you type your name?

jjcyd: li

jjcyd: limei

jjcyd: i

jjcyd: Li Mei

an_lian: great limei, nice to meet you.

an_lian: limei, say anything that is in your mind, don't be afraid of making mistakes.

an_lian: great english

vance_stevens: The voice is breaking up here because my computer is doing too much

vance_stevens: I'm viewing Rif's camera in Turkey <See a screen shot of this point in this chat>

jjcyd: why cannot we see u?

an_lian: i can see vance.

an_lian: sing a song

vance_stevens: you can view it too. Pull down Friend/view webcam <Find this place in Tapped In and view the web cam from Turkey>

an_lian: an lian

vance_stevens: Are you able to see the web cams?

an_lian: no, we cannot

jjcyd: i did what u told/ no. i cannot

jjcyd: butn 20 minutes ago, we could

jjcyd: will you send us yur image first?

an_lian: great girl of appreciation.

vance_stevens: I'm going to turn my camera off for a bit. It makes things too slow.

an_lian: go ahead

an_lian: vance, your voice is broke up.

an_lian: great

vance_stevens: ok, I think Rif is going to try to start a voice

an_lian: computer major is a good major

an_lian: more haste less speed.

an_lian: lin hua

an_lian: right?

vance_stevens: Ling Fa is speaking now?

jjcyd: my name is linhua!

an_lian: a flower.

an_lian: great!!!

an_lian: play tennise.

an_lian: loitering?

an_lian: pilot?

an_lian: writer?

an_lian: Hubei university

an_lian: study very hard.

an_lian: winter vacation

an_lian: vance has something wrong with his computer.

vance_stevens: I need to stop this chat and start another

an_lian: reinvite you

an_lian: so just wait.

Rif chatting on the side with Vance in Yahoo

arif_altun2001: /to Vance will you wave at us, please

vance_stevens: ok

arif_altun2001: we cant hear you

vance_stevens: You are in our chat. Would you like to start a voice chat?

arif_altun2001: yes

vance_stevens: Maybe that will enable you to talk to us

vance_stevens: Rif, are you there?

arif_altun2001: yes I am here now

vance_stevens: ok, shall we try a voice chat?

arif_altun2001: yes

vance_stevens: ok, give me two minutes to turn this one off and restart it

Yahoo! Messenger: arif_altun2001's status is now "View My Webcam  " (10/31/01 at 4:27 PM)

vance_stevens: ok, are you ready?

arif_altun2001: yes i guess you cannot hear meright

vance_stevens: ok,starting a conference now

vance_stevens: can you hear it now?

We re-start the Yahoo voice conference to enable everyone to rejoin

Yahoo! Messenger: You are now logged into voice conference - vance_stevens-42948.

Yahoo! Messenger: jjcyd has joined the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: arif_altun2001 has joined the conference.

arif_altun2001: anil,

vance_stevens: Yaodong are you there?

arif_altun2001: havacan

jjcyd: hi

arif_altun2001: hý

jjcyd: here

vance_stevens: Can you hear us Yaodong?

jjcyd: no

Yahoo! Messenger: an_lian has joined the conference.

vance_stevens: Lian can you hear us?

an_lian: hi, eveyone here.

an_lian: Download the latest version of Yahoo! Messenger at http://messenger.yahoo.com/

an_lian: no

jjcyd: hi, we can hear u all

an_lian: great

jjcyd: my name is huang yi cheng

an_lian: hi, huang can you hear us?

arif_altun2001: my name ýs anýl from turkey bolu

an_lian: nice to meet you

an_lian: i don't how to pronunce it.

arif_altun2001: nýce to meet you too

arif_altun2001: where are from

an_lian: i am from china

vance_stevens: Lian is from Wuhan

vance_stevens: I am in Abu Dhabi but I'm an American

jjcyd: liuzhou china

arif_altun2001: how nýce

an_lian: brb

an_lian: i am receiving a telephone.

an_lian: back

vance_stevens: ok

an_lian: pls do

an_lian: yd, can you speak?

an_lian: why don't you speak?

jjcyd: hello

an_lian: hello

arif_altun2001: hello

vance_stevens: Hi Yaodong. You tried to send me a file

an_lian: how can i pronunce your name?

vance_stevens: I wasnt' able to recieve it

an_lian: you can call me Ann for short.

arif_altun2001: how about jjcyd how can i pronounce your name

an_lian: his name is yaodong.

an_lian: hi, there.

an_lian: where is yaodong?

vance_stevens: Is Yaodong still here?

arif_altun2001: we want to talk wýth vance

an_lian: hi,bitehole

jjcyd: hi,i am li mei again

an_lian: hi, again, join us, talk pls.

vance_stevens: Hi LI Mei. Are you able to talk to us?

jjcyd: but i can only type to you

an_lian: why cannot speak?

vance_stevens: can you hear us in China?

an_lian: yes, i can

jjcyd: we have only one microphone

an_lian: can you hear us?

vance_stevens: I mean in Liuzhou?

vance_stevens: can you hear us there?

jjcyd: a boy is takingto you

arif_altun2001: hý.I am eda and I want to talk wýth you

an_lian: pls talk

jjcyd: how abou t sing a sing together?

an_lian: so what song?

jjcyd: you say?

vance_stevens: which book?

an_lian: row row row a boat,gently down the sea.

vance_stevens: What book do you have?

arif_altun2001: CALL book

vance_stevens: an article in your book

arif_altun2001: an artýcle of you

jjcyd: i mean what song do you want to hear?

an_lian: any song is ok.

vance_stevens: I liked Lian's song. She is very musical.

jjcyd: pi

an_lian: vance, yaodong's stu will sing us a song.

jjcyd: please.

arif_altun2001: whých thýngs ýnspýred you to wrýte thýs artýcle

an_lian: two lines of one talk, one is song and one is article

vance_stevens: I have written many articles: http://www.vancestevens.com/papers

jjcyd: li mei is here.i will singa english song if you sing one first.

vance_stevens: Which article do you have?

an_lian: you first,ok, then i second.

jjcyd: ok

an_lian: vance, will you join the singing song? yaodong's stu will sing us a song later.

an_lian: i am eager tohear your song,limei.

vance_stevens: Hot Potatoes

vance_stevens: Repeat again the question

an_lian: the classic film

vance_stevens: Li Mei - classic film

an_lian: the music

arif_altun2001: could you gýve us any advýce about Call

an_lian: two lines in one talk.

arif_altun2001: ýn our project

arif_altun2001: we need some guýdance

vance_stevens: For your project, can you use Hot Potatoes? Do you know this program?

an_lian: limei will sing a song for us now,vance

an_lian: great music

an_lian: i heard it many times.

arif_altun2001: Vance,Do you lýsten to Turkýsh pop musýc

arif_altun2001: Tarkan

vance_stevens: I have listened to it? I like classical turkish music best

an_lian: a popular music

an_lian: pls go ahead.

an_lian: great

an_lian: vance, they ask youto sing a song second.

jjcyd: an lian you said you would sing if i sing

an_lian: yes, let me practice

an_lian: you can ask vance to sing a song, his voice is very musical

jjcyd: what time is that?

arif_altun2001: Vanceeee

jjcyd: i mean when we will meet again?

an_lian: any time is ok with me

vance_stevens: Nov 7 noon GMT to 13:50

vance_stevens: Anil

jjcyd: sing a song ,we are waiting so eagerly!!!!!!!!

vance_stevens: amal

arif_altun2001: emel

arif_altun2001: ok

an_lian: yes, i will sing a song after the meeting,ok?

arif_altun2001: no emel

arif_altun2001: emel

jjcyd: an lian what are you doing?

an_lian: i am listening to al the ppl

an_lian: so what are you doing?

jjcyd: you can talk to me?

an_lian: yes, i am talking to you,limei.

an_lian: because too many lines in this talk.

an_lian: vance is talking with them about a article, i guess.

vance_stevens: Yes, I see you now

an_lian: webcam

arif_altun2001: ok ý wýll gratefull

arif_altun2001: vance

vance_stevens: I can see you and your web cam

an_lian: hi,back bitehole

an_lian: i would like to meet your students.

arif_altun2001: ýs there any turkýsh course ýn your countr

vance_stevens: Yaodong wants to see your web cam

vance_stevens: vstevens@emirates.net.ae

vance_stevens: Pull down Friend / see webcam

vance_stevens: click on Arif_altun2001 in this conversation

an_lian: i cannot see the webcam

an_lian: is that true

an_lian: i am just kidding

an_lian: vance, you can sing a song.

an_lian: i am here

an_lian: broking voice

arif_altun2001: thýs ýs anýl

arif_altun2001: thýs ýs our teacher

vance_stevens: that's because of the web cams

an_lian: stronger than the webcam <Jump to this point in the Tapped In logs>

an_lian: give me the photo of your class

arif_altun2001: an lýan can u see us

jjcyd: we caannot see Arif at all.

arif_altun2001: thýs sý elýf

jjcyd: i tried that and waited for 10 minutes

an_lian: why not send me one image?

arif_altun2001: and the other ýs senay

vance_stevens: Arif, can you invite jjcyd to view your web cam?

jjcyd: not photos today if you dont sing a song, Ann.

arif_altun2001: arýf ýs not here

an_lian: what is the potato?

arif_altun2001: now

arif_altun2001: now ým emel

jjcyd: yes, Arif, will you show us yor photo?

jjcyd: we have 20 ppl here,waiting.

arif_altun2001: arýf not here

jjcyd: yes, emel

an_lian: what is emel?

an_lian: email?----typo?

vance_stevens: Rif's photo is here: http://www.homestead.com/vstevens/files/efi/rif.htm

arif_altun2001: jjcyd we ýnvýte you to see our photoss

an_lian: i want to see your photos as well

arif_altun2001: okk

vance_stevens: we are greater than the sum of our parts

arif_altun2001: he ýs t

arif_altun2001: tolga

jjcyd: ann, did u say you would sing a song after the meeting./my students won''t leave unless you do it.

arif_altun2001: tolga

jjcyd: hi, Tolga.

an_lian: ok, i will sing a song later when you are free with your photos

vance_stevens: I just turned my camera off

arif_altun2001: ok

an_lian: i am a wallflower in fact.

jjcyd: you are a lotus

an_lian: lian in chinese is lotus

an_lian: bite means yao

an_lian: hole is dong

an_lian: so call him bitehole

an_lian: very cute name

arif_altun2001: we want to sýng a song ok do u accept us

an_lian: yes, pls do sing a song.

arif_altun2001: jjcyd and an lýan

an_lian: arif, i am eager to hear your song

arif_altun2001: we wýll start

an_lian: ok,

arif_altun2001: ready set go

arif_altun2001: lýsten

jjcyd: thnaks a lot

jjcyd: thank you

an_lian: one two three go!!!

jjcyd: can u hear?

an_lian: no, how about you?

jjcyd: ann, hearing them?

an_lian: no

vance_stevens: sadly, no ...

jjcyd: vance , hearing them now?

jjcyd: no

jjcyd: ann can sing

jjcyd: a folk song

vance_stevens: merrily, merrily, merrily

vance_stevens: row row row your boat

jjcyd: arif , ready?

jjcyd: they are not listeing there,are they?

an_lian: great

an_lian: i haven't a webcam as well

an_lian: i am eager to see your webcam,bitehole

an_lian: lunch

jjcyd: ann, ready?

an_lian: sing a song with me,ok?

an_lian: row a boat

an_lian: two tigers

an_lian: i cannot remember the lines

an_lian: too difficult

an_lian: two tiger

an_lian: i am laughing to death

an_lian: see you next time,vance

vance_stevens: ok, lotus, bye

an_lian: wish you a good lunch

Tapped In chat logs

Connected to TAPPED IN on Wed Oct 31 02:57:07 2001 PST.

efl [guest] arrives from nowhere.

VanceS says, "Hi efl"

VanceS [Webheaded] wonders what an efl is ...

<Rif explains in ICQ who efl is, so Vance says ... >

VanceS exclaims, "Hello Fahrettin !!"

efl [guest] says, "HELP BASIC"

VanceS says, "Hi there, I can provide basic help"

rif [guest] arrives from nowhere.

VanceS says, "Hi Rif."

rif [guest] says, "hi there, EFL.."

efl [guest] says, "Sorry Vance, I'm just trying to figure out how to get by and I'm afraid I take time"

VanceS says, "No problem. We're early, and if you have any questions, just ask."

rif [guest] says, "/look clock"

efl [guest] exclaims, "a new experince for me, and I'm not an computer expert.. Unlike rif!"

VanceS says, "the time now is 11:08 GMT"

VanceS exclaims, "That command worked!"

VanceS says, "none of us are experts really, we just have a little more experience"

efl [guest] exclaims, "thanks for encouraging!"

VanceS says, "We want to help others gain experience so they will learn tricks they can show us"

rif [guest] says, "it is not an object I assume though"

rif [guest] says, "learning by doing is actually true for computer stuff"

Efl [guest] [to Rif [guest]]: "certainly true.."

rif [guest] exclaims, "there seems there is a delay in my messages!"

VanceS exclaims, "that's how I learned!"

VanceS says, "The nice thing about tapped in is that it keeps transcripts"

VanceS says, "With anything else, we have to work to keep transcripts"

Rif [guest] [to VanceS]: "EFL had worked in the Arabian Peninsula for several years\ too"

VanceS says, "that's the main reason I like to use it, besides its community aspects"

VanceS asks, "Really, where?"

rif [guest] asks, "Kuwait I belive, righ t EFL?"

VanceS says, "I've been there but never worked there"

VanceS says, "I went to Iraq from there overland in 1989 I believe, or 88, the year before the attack on Kuwait"

VanceS says, "and continued on to Istanbul by plane from Baghdad (met my wife and kids in the airport there)"

efl [guest] exclaims, "to Vance I was in Ras Tanura, the refinery place in Saudi Arabia when you went to Irag overland. You must have passed by!"

VanceS says, "I used to live in Dhahran and I've been up to Ras Tanura. That wes in 1976-1981"

VanceS says, "But that's south of Kuwait. I flew from Oman to Kuwait to go overland through Iraq."

2001/10/28 Webheads Halloween Party 2 is full. Stopped recording.

VanceS says, "Once though we went overland all the way from Dhahran to Kuwait, and then by boat to Iran, then by bus mainly through Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, and finally Sri Lanka"

efl [guest] says, "really? I was there from 1983 up to 1990, for some seven years.. it used to seem a lifetime but now there are times when I miss those years.."

efl [guest] asks, "what's the weather like in Abu Dhabi nowadays? Still humid?"

VanceS says, "I liked Saudi the first year and the 3rd and 4th years. By the fifth I was ready to leave."

VanceS says, "It was foggy this morning, but mainly it's getting cool out now"

efl [guest] exclaims, "I don't blame you!"

VanceS says, "I really liked Oman, and I like the UAE, and I enjoyed a lot of things about Saudi"

efl [guest] says, "Once I flew from Dhahran to some distant place further south in the desert, and the view of the sand dunes below was marvellous.. I must admit it was a good experience but I guess I stayed a bit too long.."

VanceS says, "You can be comfortable in your own house"

efl [guest] asks, "how long have you been around the Persian/Arabian Gulf, Vance?"

VanceS says, "Just taking a message from Yaodong .. I've been 5 yrs in Saudi, 10 in Oman, and 5 here, so 20 years"

VanceS says, "So, thinking about our presentation next week ..."

VanceS says, "We'll have a break time to set up like this and then on the hour people will be entering the hall"

VanceS says, "I think at that point I might play my webcam so you can see what's going on here"

VanceS says, "I've turned it on now as a matter of fact"

VanceS asks, "Are your students coming on the hour?"

efl [guest] says, "I don't have a cam on this machine, I'm afraid. There is one on the other computer but the room will be available in 5 or 10 minutes' time. Well, some students are already around, and some are coming.."

VanceS says, "To view the camera, you have to be on Yahoo. It's on now."

VanceS says, "I invited RIf to join"

mouse [guest] arrives from nowhere.

VanceS says, "meow Mouse"

mouse [guest] says, "hi we are here to talk"

VanceS asks, "Good, welcome. Where are you from?"

mouse [guest] says, "we are from turkey"

efl [guest] asks, "to mouse whereabouts in Turkey?"

VanceS says, "Ok, I'm talking to An-Lian in Yahoo right now"

VanceS says, "I'd like to welcome all who ware joining us."

VanceS says, "For some reason I can't see Rif in Yahoo to invite him to the chat."

mouse [guest] says, "from Abant ?zzet Baysal niversity"

efl [guest] exclaims, "to mouse what a conicidence !"

mouse [guest] says, "We are taking CALL course from MR ALTUN"

Efl [guest] [to VanceS]: "let me see if I can track rif down.."

LianA finds her way in.

LianA's personal recorder follows LianA to here.

LianA says, "hello, everyone."

mouse [guest] says, "HELLO L?ANA"

VanceS says, "Hi I just took a call on my mobile. I will not do that at the conference"

LianA says, "yes, i am an lian"

VanceS says, "my yahoo just bombed"

LianA says, "poor."

VanceS says, "I'm restarting it. Sorry RIf."

Mouse [guest] [to <L?ana]: "where are you from?"

LianA says, "i am from China."

VanceS asks, "I'm from Abu Dhabi. I'm one of the teachers with Webheads. Shall I project the URL? Do you know about projections?"

LianA says, "yes, i know."

rif [guest] says, "Hi LianA/ How are you doing today"

VanceS asks, "Rif did you get the invitation?"

rif [guest] says, "hold on let me move to that computer/// next room"

Mouse [guest] [to <Vances]: "we know about the webhead..."

VanceS asks, "I would like to project. Is it ok with you?"

mouse [guest] says, "hi rif we are glad to see you in this room"

VanceS says, "It will open a browser window on your computer"

VanceS asks, "Can you hear me rif?"

LianA asks, "rif, i am doing well today, how about you?"

VanceS asks, "ok, I'm going to project and open a browser window. Is it ok with everyone?"

Mouse [guest] [to <L?ana]: "are you a student?we are jun?ors at a?bu un?vers?ty"

mouse [guest] says, "okey vances"

efl [guest] says, "yes we are students."

LianA says, "I am a univ student as well as a university teacher, and in Hubei univeristy."

VanceS says, "This the webheads"

VanceS [Webheaded] projects the URL: http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/webheads.htm

Mouse [guest] [to <efl]: "from where?"

VanceS says, "Rif for some reason, I can't see your camera. Yahoo tells me you don't have one."

efl [guest] says, "hi liana yyou say that you are a university teacher&student"

VanceS says, "ok, at the moment here it is 4:02"

VanceS says, "Next week, the room will be filling with people right now"

VanceS says, "I will be very distracted"

efl [guest] says, "we are rif's students.."

VanceS says, "I'm broadcasting my web cam and invited Rif to see it"

VanceS asks, "Is he able to see it?"

mouse [guest] says, "we are the rif's students too:))"

monitor [guest] arrives from nowhere.

monitor [guest] says, "hi"

VanceS says, "Hi monitor"

efl [guest] asks, "Is there anybody to talk to us?"

mouse [guest] says, "we are yurdagl,havacan,habibe and nilgn"

efl [guest] says, "we want to see anybody from China."

VanceS says, "Yes, nice to meet you. I can now see rif's camera"

mouse [guest] says, "we are here efl to talk you"

VanceS asks, "I can see one of rif's students. Can you see me?"

monitor [guest] says, "s there anybody"

mouse [guest] says, "we are here monitor"

efl [guest] says, "we can not be seen from the web cam because we are on an another line" <See a screen shot of this point in this chat>

efl [guest] says, "but what we talk is of vital inportance you know."

monitor [guest] says, "are we the frst group from turkey to jon you"

VanceS says, "We're getting the web cams quite well"

VanceS says, "the second group to join us"

efl [guest] says, "o we are here too"

Mouse [guest] [to <monitor]: "you are not alone we are from turkey too.Also from your class."

VanceS asks, "Who is in the web cam right now?" <Find this place in the Yahoo Voice chat>

efl [guest] says, "grouptech"

VanceS says, "There's a young lady there waving to me"

monitor [guest] says, "we are takng call as a course but fortunately we are the frst group takng ths course"

efl [guest] says, "what do you think about the strike against Afghanistan"

monitor [guest] says, "what abouyou"

VanceS says, "who, me? Terrible. The strikes against civilians everywhere, in New York, Afghanistan, and Bethlehem are awful."

flowers [guest] arrives from nowhere.

VanceS says, "hello flowers"

monitor [guest] says, "we don't have a cam"

monitor [guest] says, "we are montor"

Mouse [guest] [to <flowers]: "wellcome to our garden"

monitor [guest] says, "sorry,monitor"

Efl [guest] [to <liana]: "hi liana"

VanceS says, "I'm going to turn my camera off because it's slowing down everything"

flowers [guest] says, "hih'hhhhhhhh''"

VanceS says, "I just turned my camera off"

VanceS asks, "was any one able to see it in Turkey?"

flowers [guest] says, "gggggggghhhhhhhhh''''''''''''''''''''''"

mouse [guest] says, "we don't have a cam either"

rif [guest] says, "Hey I finally managed to get everybody seated :-)"

flowers [guest] says, "hh''''''ihhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''"

monitor [guest] says, "heyyyyy,take care of monitor"

flowers [guest] says, "hello"

rif [guest] says, "hallo"

Mouse [guest] [to <flowers]: "who are you dears"

monitor [guest] asks, "what are your names?"

flowers [guest] says, "we are the flowers group"

Efl [guest] [to VanceS]: "Whatb do you think about Turkey?"

flowers [guest] says, "we love turkey"

Mouse [guest] [to Flowers [guest]]: "what are your names"

rif [guest] says, "where are you from"

flowers [guest] says, "we areturkey"

mouse [guest] asks, "where are you from flowersss?"

rif [guest] says, "are you from turkey"

VanceS says, "Rif, maybe I should start a voice chat with you"

monitor [guest] asks, "have you ever been turkey?"

mouse [guest] asks, "you are second grade students?"

rif [guest] says, "turkey is a nice country"

flowers [guest] says, "we are from Turkey"

VanceS says, "I like Turkey very much. I have been there a couple of times"

efl [guest] says, "we are EFL and our names are Oncel,Tolga,Mehmet."

rif [guest] says, "i am from india"

VanceS asks, "Rif, are you from India?"

VanceS asks, "Who is in the web cam now?"

mouse [guest] says, "we have got the message flowers and we want to learn your names"

rif [guest] says, "rif is a new one now... it is junkie typing"

monitor [guest] asks, "where have you been n Turkey?"

flowers [guest] says, "where d'd you stay 'n Turkey_"

VanceS says, "Oh, I get"

VanceS says, "Oh, I get it"

VanceS says, "Ask Rif to answer his Yahoo chat"

flowers [guest] says, "hi r'f"

Efl [guest] [to The]: "Chinese How many people are there in the other side of the web?"

VanceS says, "I want to know if Rif wants to enter a voice chat"

rif [guest] says, "hi"

VanceS says, "We are talking to Chinese students now"

flowers [guest] says, "what s up_"

flowers [guest] says, "rif"

rif [guest] says, "what is your job"

monitor [guest] says, "heyyyy,groups,do not chat eachother!!!!!!!!!!you should answer vances'qes"

flowers [guest] says, "we are students at un'vers'ty"

rif [guest] says, "what is your hobby"

rif [guest] says, "are you there"

flowers [guest] says, "danc'ng\playing voleyball"

rif [guest] says, "are you there"

flowers [guest] says, "what about u_"

mouse [guest] says, "heeeeeeeeeeey which university flowers? please give clear answer"

rif [guest] says, "flowers where are you from"

Efl [guest] [to <VanceS>]: "Helloo,Please pay attention for talking us.We want to learn everything in details about you.OK"

flowers [guest] says, "Turkey"

monitor [guest] exclaims, "flowers and rf you are sts here.why do you chat together?please be careful!"

monitor [guest] says, "you are answerng your qs ."

flowers [guest] says, "are you there r'f_"

flowers [guest] says, "rif"

rif [guest] says, "are you there"

monitor [guest] asks, "who are you flowers?"

flowers [guest] says, "what about you r'f"

VanceS asks, "I'm talking to Rif. Yaodong and Lian?"

monitor [guest] asks, "why do you talk only to rif?"

flowers [guest] says, "el'f\;enay\emel\nesl'han\serap"

efl [guest] says, "<EFL> vANCEs,we want you to talk with us,not with Chineseeeeeee"

rif [guest] says, "why"

flowers [guest] says, "what s up mouse_"

VanceS says, "ok I will try to communicate here"

VanceS says, "It's hard to get everyone set up"

Efl [guest] [to <VanceS>]: "<ok,which university are you from?>"

monitor [guest] says, "we know but,we want to communicate you"

mouse [guest] asks, "for now we are just trying to understand what is going on ok.flowers?"

VanceS says, "I'm at the MLI, http://www.mli.ac.ae"

monitor [guest] asks, "yaodong and lian,where are you from?"

flowers [guest] says, "so do we"

VanceS says, "I can tell you. Yaodong is from Liuzhou and Lian is from Wuhan"

flowers [guest] says, "mouse are you there"

VanceS says, "In China. Later we'll put a lot of information about this conversation on the web"

Efl [guest] [to <VanceS>]: "<Which lang skills are taught more effectively in ESL courses,actually in your univ?"

monitor [guest] says, "how old are you ,we are 21"

VanceS says, "I am at http://www.vancestevens.com/"

mouse [guest] says, "we are here flowers"

VanceS says, "You can meet me and my family there"

flowers [guest] says, "ok mouse"

flowers [guest] says, "we are here too"

VanceS says, "Rif showed me the web page describing the CALL course"

lb [guest] arrives from nowhere.

monitor [guest] asks, "dd you lke our web page?"

VanceS says, "Yes, so I know something about the course you are studying"

VanceS asks, "Did you see the url from the last visit from Rif's students?"

flowers [guest] says, "who are u lb"

monitor [guest] says, "what does url mean"

VanceS says, "I'll project it"

lb [guest] says, "no we did'nt"

VanceS says, "ok, I'm looking for it"

flowers [guest] says, "talk w'th us mouse"

monitor [guest] says, "we ddn't understant you"

monitor [guest] says, "what do you look for"

flowers [guest] says, "hello vances"

lb [guest] says, "first we learnt your name in our book call."

VanceS says, "I want to show you the webpage where Rif visited before with his students"

rif [guest] says, "URL means the address on the web"

flowers [guest] says, "we are flowers"

flowers [guest] says, "we want to join the conversation"

efl [guest] says, "to vanceS what do you think about the policy of chinese goverment againsr theinouncent people of east turkisran"

rif [guest] says, "Is tehere anybody here from China"

efl [guest] says, "how many people are there nearby"

rif [guest] says, "hey Vance, are all Chineese students on the voice chat"

flowers [guest] says, "hey vance"

monitor [guest] asks, "yaodong and lan,how s chna now?do you lke your country?"

rif [guest] says, "who are you flowers"

mouse [guest] says, "please we dont have achance for the voice chat and cam :((("

monitor [guest] says, "we can' jon the voce chat"

efl [guest] says, "to flowers how are things going"

rif [guest] says, "do you think it is different to chat with a cam_"

VanceS [Webheaded] projects the URL: http://www.homestead.com/vstevens/files/efi/chat2001/wfw010527.htm

VanceS asks, "Did you get that?"

VanceS says, "You can look here to see Rif's students from before."

VanceS says, "When we came here before"

mouse [guest] asks, "Vance if you are not busy can we ask you a question?"

VanceS says, "We're looking for Yaodong"

mouse [guest] asks, "why do you support communicative CALL and ?nteractivity in learning?"

Efl [guest] [to <VanceS>]: "<how is the weather in chine at the moment/>"

VanceS says, "I'm in Abu Dhabi, and the weather here is about 30-35 degrees"

mouse [guest] says, "we think that nobody hears us"

VanceS says, "Why do I support communicative CALL? THere is no reason to learn a language except to communicate."

rif [guest] says, "Shall we try to round this up)"

efl [guest] . o O ( <to VanceS>how many language do yo know )

VanceS says, "languages? Me? Arabic, French, some Spanish, some German"

efl [guest] says, "and whatare they"

VanceS says, "what about you? I'll bet you know lots of languages"

mouse [guest] says, "vance are you married"

VanceS says, "Yes, http://www.vancestevens.com/bobbi.htm"

VanceS says, "Li Mei is going to sing a song for us from China"

efl [guest] says, "I know kurdish, turkish, english and a little french and a few statement of arabic"

VanceS says, "She wants us all to sing along"

VanceS asks, "Do you know about the conference next week?"

VanceS says, "Next week it's from noon GMT to 13:50"

mouse [guest] says, "yes we know we will try to join"

VanceS says, "That will be nice."

VanceS says, "Next week, I will have to talk to the audience"

VanceS says, "We will have only 50 minutes"

efl [guest] . o O ( To VanceS>comment ca va? )

VanceS asks, "ca va, et toi?"

VanceS asks, "Why don't you guys invite me to attend one of your classes?"

SusanneN makes a noiseless entry from a distant place you cannot reach

DiaLog follows SusanneN to here.

TimeLog follows SusanneN to here.

SusanneN exclaims, "Hi there!"

SusanneN says, "Oh, I guess all those people are really looking at some other screens."

efl [guest] says, "je suis trein bien merci; now I want to tell you that I am interested in learning Arabic very much and ins'Allah I'll learn it next summer holiday"

SusanneN says, "Hello, efl"

SusanneN asks, "Are you one of mr. Arif's students?"

efl [guest] says, "hello Susanne could you give more information about yourself"

SusanneN says, "I see that you already know both French and English; lnaguage are useful for us to know."

VanceS says, "hi Susanne."

SusanneN says, "hello, I am Susanne from Denmark. I am a senior student of education in Copenhagen, and a helpdesk volunteer here in tapped In."

SusanneN exclaims, "Hi Vance!"

VanceS says, "wella ana musta'ad isa'adik ita'alem Arabi"

VanceS says, "Hi Susanne"

SusanneN says, "I have met efl here."

SusanneN th That really sounds like Arab indeeed.

SusanneN [to Efl [guest]]: "May I ask what is your real name?" <See a screen shot of this point in the conversation>

SusanneN says, "I am also a Webhead student of English in mr. Stevens' online Sunday class :-))"

SusanneN [to VanceS]: "Are you experimenting with video or voice today, too?"

VanceS says, "sorry, chaos navigation is underway here"

SusanneN says, "That's what I thought :-)"

VanceS says, "We're showing webcams and talking"

efl [guest] . o O ( <to SusanneS yes, of course if you know myreal name whatcan you expect me to give you )

SusanneN says, "Good. I just thought this efl was short for your course, or something."

SusanneN [to VanceS]: "I have ababdoned the idea of buying the webgam before a new computer as they all have an USB connection that will not work for this old model. I"

VanceS says, "We are just enjoying ourselves"

VanceS says, "you need a usb compupter"

SusanneN says, "I'll have to wait patiently for the fun of visualizing my fellow students and teachers."

VanceS says, "usb is great you can take it in and out"

SusanneN says, "Yes I need a new computer, dearly."

VanceS says, "I'll have photos on the web. I hope I can work on the web sites this weekend"

SusanneN says, "Oh, great, Vance."

VanceS says, "I'm getting so far behind"

SusanneN says, "I stay here just in case rif and his students are showing up."

SusanneN says, "Vance, you are doing so fine but you have taken a lot of responsibilities on yourself by maintaining this wonderful website."

VanceS asks, "you're telling me. Want to help?"

SusanneN smiles maybe, how can I do that?

VanceS says, "I can assign you some tasks."

SusanneN says, "Let us think a bit about that, I would not say no :-)"

VanceS says, "Good, I will think about how you can help me."

VanceS says, "It would be very kind of you"

SusanneN says, "But still, I am not very technical, and my english is still imperfect. Don't ask me to correct someone else's writings."

SusanneN grins

VanceS says, "That's very kind of you. I'll look at all the tasks and email you."

SusanneN says, "I feel I like this class a lot because you have the free spirit : I just read Michaels' paper from last year. And enjoyed the ways he find to describe what iis actually going on."

SusanneN says, "Email me, and continue to care for the class conference by video and voice chat."

VanceS says, "yes, we love what we are doing"

SusanneN says, "You sure do, that is why I feel so good in your company."

efl [guest] says, "(To SsusanneN and to VanceS)now I want to leave you by your ownselves if there is a last thing that you want to say me please say good night to you peace be upon you"

VanceS says, "THank you EFL for coming"

SusanneN asks, "You never told me where you come from, efl?"

VanceS says, "It was very nice of you and i hope to see you again next Wednesday"

VanceS says, "He is across the hall from Rif in Turkey"

SusanneN asks, "Next wednesday is the real thing, Vance?"

VanceS says, "that's right (actually tonight was the real thing and next week is the show)"

SusanneN says, "I thought so but he did not introduce himself :-))"

SusanneN says, "next week - the real show."

VanceS says, "He did earlier. You can read it in the logs. I think it's Ferradin"

SusanneN says, "Good, Ferradin sounds Turkish to me."

efl [guest] says, "I am from Van, Turkey."

VanceS asks, "From Van, in the East?"

SusanneN asks, "I see, Van - where in Turkey is that?"

SusanneN will take a look at the map of Europe

VanceS says, "ok, I'm going to log off"

SusanneN says, "See you, and mail me, please."

VanceS says, "I really appreciate everyone turning up"

VanceS says, "You never know what will happen in a webhead class"

SusanneN says, "I see Dong is on his way,"

LianA says, "nice to meet you, vance"

SusanneN exclaims, "Hi Lian!"

YaodongC Yaodong enjoys being with you.

YaodongC's personal recorder follows YaodongC to here.

LianA says, "hi, Sue"

SusanneN says, "Hi Yaodong, welcome here."

LianA [happy] bows to Sue

SusanneN hugs Liam, I forgot to mail you, I have been SO busy

LianA says, "it doesn't matter, take your time"

YaodongC says, "hi, susanne"

LianA says, "i know you are busy, thank youv very much, Sue"

LianA says, "bows to Sue"

YaodongC says, "nie to see you again"

SusanneN says, "Yaodong - Vance is just logging off for now. But we are still here"

LianA says, "yaodong is giving a lecture now."

SusanneN [to YaodongC]: "Are you here with yours students tonight?"

YaodongC says, "yes, we are all here."

LianA says, "yes, he is talking with his stu now."

VanceS says, "I'm just shutting off my computer"

LianA says, "see you vance"

VanceS says, "Nice to see you all, and hope to see you again on Sunday"

YaodongC says, "ok, thanks again, vance."

VanceS says, "bye"

SusanneN asks, "Lian, are you on the webcam team, too? Or the voice chat?"

LianA says, "yes, see you again"

VanceS [Webheaded] has disconnected.

Disconnected from TAPPED IN on Wed Oct 31 05:46:50 2001 PST.

Rif signs off, Oct 31

arif_altun2001: we needed to reboot (it s me rif)

vance_stevens: OK, I need to go. Thanks a lot Rif.

vance_stevens: We'll get in touch and organize for next Wed.

vance_stevens: The Chinese are singing. Can you hear them?

arif_altun2001: yeah it was more than I imagined. Talk to you tomorrow maybe?

vance_stevens: more than I imagined too. Ok, see you later.

arif_altun2001: I am not in the conference now I really need to go too

arif_altun2001: got a catch a class to teach

vance_stevens: ok thanks again and see you later

arif_altun2001: bye for now it was my pþeasure and I thank you too

arif_altun2001: bye for now

Follow up with Rif

Vance 11/1/01 8:45 AM Hey Rif, I was just about to send you and your students an email.

rif 11/3/01 1:03 PM welcome back! I will collect students' responses to last wednesday meeting this monday. I will try to do a very brief organization and send it to you Monday night hopefully. Maybe, you may want to list some of the reflections in the presentation.

Vance 11/3/01 1:17 PM Rif, sorry I got bumped offline.

Vance 11/3/01 1:18 PM I got your message tho and would love to include insights from your students

rif 11/3/01 1:19 PM cool..

Vance 11/3/01 1:28 PM So Rif, I've finally got free of Deborah, and the teacher who was hear has walked out the door ...

rif 11/3/01 1:38 PM I got disconnected, the line kicked me out!

Vance 11/3/01 1:39 PM Yeah, my message to you was spinning like wheels in sand

rif 11/3/01 1:39 PM :-)))

Vance 11/3/01 1:39 PM So I have a moment to talk about our presentation if you do.

rif 11/3/01 1:40 PM sure...so what is the plan like? I read your email briefly about it!

Vance 11/3/01 1:40 PM It's a little awkward losing egroups messaging capablity right now, but I'll send messages shortly to Yaodong

Vance 11/3/01 1:41 PM and you .. What has to happen I think is you have to manage the online part. At the conference itself, I'll be explaining what is happening

rif 11/3/01 1:42 PM sounds ok to me! It was something what I was like doing last wednesday

Vance 11/3/01 1:42 PM I think so. Will the same students be there?

rif 11/3/01 1:43 PM One thing to share with you: Most students were anxious about sitting infornt of the cam and talking on the mic. So I thought they would prefer to type..But they tended to move to the cam and talk

rif 11/3/01 1:44 PM I only had one computer hooked up to a cam and a mic. Maybe I should get two mics for the wed. THe others said they felt left alone in the tapped in.

Vance 11/3/01 1:44 PM yeah, I think this appeals to the students a lot. Sue bought a web cam and contacted me today. So she's converted. (Sue = mysailing)

rif 11/3/01 1:44 PM I will have almost the same students. I say almost because we may have more after their advertisement in the faculty :-))

Vance 11/3/01 1:45 PM Yaodong sent a url with pics which I sent to the eclass list, but which you didn't get I don't think ...

rif 11/3/01 1:45 PM no I did not. can you reply it to me at altunar@ibu.edu.tr

Vance 11/3/01 1:46 PM That's great. Glad they like it. I think they wanted to talk to me but that will be impossible at the conference itself (ok email)

rif 11/3/01 1:46 PM and, I want to organize the pix I took last wednesday today

rif 11/3/01 1:46 PM I will post it tto the course web site and let you know the URL

Vance 11/3/01 1:46 PM So that's why I suggested I get with them later and we can talk over the subjects they want to discuss

Vance 11/3/01 1:47 PM I was working on the transcripts last night. That takes time. Your class should visit Yaodong's site. Let me find the url ...

rif 11/3/01 1:47 PM right! Actually, it was surprising to observe them in such a way., They knew we would have had a chinese class

Vance 11/3/01 1:48 PM No one really understands how it's going to work until it happens, and then it's usually completely different from what you thought it would be, except even more fun :-)

rif 11/3/01 1:48 PM But, another thing, I assigned them Mark's paper and he cites you somewhere in the paper. That might be appealing for them to ask you more questions

rif 11/3/01 1:48 PM You did not think about this as well right,? It was fun!

Vance 11/3/01 1:48 PM Yeah, they referred to one of my articles, or being mentioned in their book, but I couldn't get from them which one it was.

Vance 11/3/01 1:49 PM Susanne has the perfect term for it: chaos navigation

rif 11/3/01 1:49 PM let me get you the article URL

rif 11/3/01 1:49 PM yes, I liked that term too

Vance 11/3/01 1:49 PM ok, meet you back here with Yaodong's url

rif 11/3/01 1:56 PM http://www.gse.uci.edu/markw/call.html it should be here but it does not open here.

Vance 11/3/01 1:57 PM brb

rif 11/3/01 1:58 PM Hey, listen, I need to go downtown for shopping, can we meet some time late afternoon?

Vance 11/3/01 1:58 PM Yeah, what time is it there now? noon?

rif 11/3/01 1:58 PM yes, 12.00

rif 11/3/01 1:59 PM ok, talk to you later then

Vance 11/3/01 1:59 PM I'll be here till around 4:30 or 5. Will you be back by 3 your time?

rif 11/3/01 1:59 PM hope so...

Vance 11/3/01 2:00 PM or later, it would have to be around 7 your time

rif 11/3/01 2:02 PM cool.. I will have got the pictures from my office as well...

Vance 11/3/01 2:15 PM http://www.shutterfly.com/my/osi.jsp?i=67b0de2b318ecde254c

Subject: [Hi! this is me and my class.]
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 23:19:01 +0200
From: arif altun <altunar@ibu.edu.tr>
To: Vance Stevens <vstevens@emirates.net.ae>
CC: yaodong10@sina.com

Hi Yaodong,

It was nice to have your class together with us last Wednesday. I was running around to arrange computer stations and to provide help for the students, therefore, I couldn't get to talk with you nor with the students. But I could hear the songs which came from China.. That was fun! I put the pictures that I took that day http://saa.ibu.edu.tr/altun/pics.html

Yadoung, do you think you would have the time to bring your class this Wednesday again? I got positive responses from my students and most of them would like to try this again this Wednesday. Hope to hear from you soon!

arif

Nov 6: Vance, I typed some excerpts from students' reflections papers. I put them at http://saa.ibu.edu.tr/altun/ogr.html ... :-)) arif

... and again on Nov 3rd

vance_stevens: Hi Rif, my ICQ doesn't want to work tonight

arif_altun2001: well, yahoo seems to be working damn fast

vance_stevens: Nice to have choices. Did you get my email regarding Mark's paper?

vance_stevens: And Yaodong's pictures?

arif_altun2001: yes, I saw the pics as well

arif_altun2001: I took out the pix I took. Do you want me to send them to you, or shall I just go ahead and put it on the web

vance_stevens: Also, I put some pics more prominently on the chat log from last May. I'm about to try and complete the chat logs from Wed now

vance_stevens: Well, about your pics, when would you have them on the web?

arif_altun2001: in couple of hours...

vance_stevens: Put them there then. I can link to them and if I want one just copy it from there

arif_altun2001: ok. BTW, where is Mark working at this time of the year?

vance_stevens: This is kind of neat. We're spontaneously putting two classes together half a world apart

vance_stevens: I think he's back in California. Don't you get his Papyrus News?

vance_stevens: are you coming to the webheads session tomorrow

arif_altun2001: yeah. I wish I had been working in a more tech-oriented institution! (I used to get, not recently. I am a little bit out of the world after I returned Turkey). It is nice to meet you so that I can get back to the CALL world ...

vance_stevens: btw, I found where Mark had quoted me and where the students were referring to what I'd written

vance_stevens: something about not only student-computer interactions, but student-student

vance_stevens: CALL being potentially that

vance_stevens: which is just how it's turning out

arif_altun2001: exactly, we are on the same line.

vance_stevens: Yeah, I'd be happy to discuss these principles with your students

vance_stevens: but not Wednesday. I'll be really distracted.

vance_stevens: But we can get together from about 11:00 GMT, 1 p.m your time

vance_stevens: There's lunch here at 1(11 your time) and 3 hours before my session

vance_stevens: No one in the big hall all that time

vance_stevens: I can have lunch and get there by 3 I think and set up and be talking to whoever is there

vance_stevens: by 3 I mean 1 your time

arif_altun2001: actually, I did not understand how they came out with that idea to discuss. I told several times to them that they will have been meeting with Chineese people. They tended to prefer to talk with you

vance_stevens: that's ok, I don't mind. It's like herding cats. I'm used to it.

vance_stevens: Have you seen the herding cats video?

arif_altun2001: we dont need to do it his week. We can do it sometime later if you like

arif_altun2001: not really! I did not see it

vance_stevens: That's what I'm going to do though, get to the hall about 3 (1 in turkey) and set up and have things under way for when the audience arrives, at which point you are in charge

vance_stevens: If you go to my Cyprus plenary linked from http://www.vancestevens/com/papers you can find the herding cats video. It's 3 meg download, but worth it

arif_altun2001: ok...

vance_stevens: I'll link it from somewhere in our presentation. It would be good for your students to see to get a perspective on what goes on during these sessions. During my plenary, Chris Tribble was in stitches

vance_stevens: I guess you know that means he was laughing so hard he couldn't stop

arif_altun2001: copy

vance_stevens: Anyway, I guess Yaodong will be around tomorrow at Tapped In and we can coordinate with him if he's bringing his class to the session on Wednesday

arif_altun2001: I will send him an email tonight

arif_altun2001: URL to cyprus does not work...

arif_altun2001: http://www.paddocks64.freeserve.co.uk/CompSIG2/cyprus.htm

vance_stevens: hmmm; let me check that. That was the iatefl conference site

vance_stevens: I can send you direct to my plenary

arif_altun2001: So Chris Tribble is in King's University in London. That was the initial place for me to go for my doctorate study. Later, I insisted to change my scholarship to the US

arif_altun2001: I mean King's College

vance_stevens: I've run into him on a number of occasions. He's living in Sri Lanka, a bit starved for bandwidth

vance_stevens: The link to my plenary works ok

vance_stevens: Here you are: http://www.adcritic.com/content/eds-cat-herders.html

vance_stevens: If you want your students to watch the video and do a hot potatoes exercise, that's at http://www.geocities.com/vance_stevens//papers/cyprus2001/plenary/webherders/catherders2.htm

vance_stevens: and that's linked from this slide in my presentation: http://www.geocities.com/vance_stevens//papers/cyprus2001/plenary/gvs30a.html

arif_altun2001: that is too difficult to manage because of slow internet connections (We have 512K pipe line for the whole university

vance_stevens: Yeah, 3 megabytes. Leave it running overnight.

vance_stevens: If you CAN leave it running, it's a good laugh

arif_altun2001: I willl try to download to to my harddisk...

vance_stevens: Anyway, I guess we're coming together on what we'll be doing next Wednesday

arif_altun2001: does it allow me to do it?

vance_stevens: Yes, you can save it to your hdd

vance_stevens: It would be in your browser cache at least

vance_stevens: I guess I ought to run. Will I see you tomorrow at Webheads time, noon GMT?

arif_altun2001: I will work on arranging the computer lab to set up the internet connections at least for wednesday. I will see about it.

vance_stevens: I hope your students enjoy it. I look forward to seeing their pictures.

arif_altun2001: If I can make it ready by that time, I can join you from the comp lab ...

vance_stevens: I took some screen dumps of them on video cam

vance_stevens: I'll put those on my web page

arif_altun2001: I will send you the URL tonight. Believe me that THey loved it

vance_stevens: That's great. I love doing this stuff if others appreciate it.

arif_altun2001: cool..

vance_stevens: ok, well, maybe we can test run from the labs tomorrow. If you're students are around they are welcome

vance_stevens: But that's a Sunday. Day off isn't it?

vance_stevens: your students (of course)

arif_altun2001: yeap... no students around tomorrow

vance_stevens: ok, well I guess I'll see you then. I think Bobbi, my wife, is about to serve dinner.

vance_stevens: btw, I logged on to ICQ today and I guess it put a message on the computer while your wife was there

vance_stevens: and you were asleep

arif_altun2001: enjoy your dinner.... same here in half an hour.. talk to you later

vance_stevens: ok, see you tomorrow

Follow up with Yaodong

Subject: Re: [efiwebheads] Check the chat logs from Oct 28, and especially the 31st
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:30:55 -0800 (PST)
From: YD Chen <jjcyd@yahoo.com>
To: vstevens@emirates.net.ae

Hi,Vance,

I have just read the chat logs. How come you managed to have so much space in the server to post so much stuff? :)

I was back from a musical drama. A Scotish teacher working in Liuzhou watched it with us,too.

Thanks for all you have done for us.

yaodong