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Webheads chat logs from October 21, 2001

Meet the people in the chat today

Vance Maggi Michael John Ying Lan Susanne Juani Yaodong
UAE Germany Australia Pennsylvania Taiwan Denmark Chile/Colorado Liuzhou, PRC

in France
Webhead members Aum in Thailand, BJB in Pennsylvania,
and James and John who sent excuses by email

Find where everyone first joined the chat: Vance | Phil | BJB | Maggi | Aum | Michael | Susanne | Juani | Ying Lan | Yaodong | James and John (email)

It was a pretty tame Webheads class tonight, with the chaos browsers pretty much behaving themselves. Phil dropped by just to tickle Vance's ribs, Aum joined us after a long absence and asked some very deep questions about Webheads, such as who supports Tapped In and who the teachers and learners and lurkers were (to which Vance replied with some constructivist theoretical mumbo jumbo). She promised to send us a description of the festivals taking place in Thailand soon. This also led us to a discussion of our Wimba voice bulletin board at (and after the session, Susanne, Michael, and Vance all left messages there, so visit the site to see and hear them). Meanwhile, Ying Lan's brother had deleted the browsers from her computer so he could play computer games. She couldn't join us at Tapped In, but she talked to Vance in voice chat and to Michael in ICQ about existential malaise and her concerns over her move to New York. After Ying Lan left, Juani arrived from Colorado and described snow to Aum, who has never seen it. Susanne and Vance indulged in some fun chaos navigation in and out of Vance's office at Tapped In, causing almost everyone else to leave, so we decided to move down to Reception to meet with Yaodong and his student from Liuzhou, China. James and John didn't actually join us for any of this, but sent excuses in email, so we forgive them.

<Top> Tapped In chat logs | Ying Lan in voice chat with Vance on Yahoo | Michael's asides to Vance on ICQ | Michael chats with Ying Lan on ICQ | James sends an email

Tapped In chat logs

Connected to TAPPED IN on Sun Oct 21 04:23:46 2001 PDT.

VanceS teleports to the reception.

Stopped recording in VanceS's Office (#12249) at Sun Oct 21 04:39:54 2001 PDT.

Started recording in Reception (#268)[TappedIn] at Sun Oct 21 04:39:54 2001 PDT.

VanceS [Webhead] leaves his avatar here thinking surely it will be safe in a protected environment like Tapped In and floats off in search of enlightenment.

PhilB has arrived.

R2 follows PhilB to here.

PhilB exclaims, "G'day, Mr V!"

PhilB [WebTeach] thinks Vance must be multitasking.

PhilB [WebTeach] pokes Mr V in the ribs.

PhilB [WebTeach] pours habanero barbecue sauce on those ribs.

PhilB [WebTeach] sets them to grill ever so slowly on his Weber.

PhilB . o O ( hee hee! )

You hear a quiet popping sound; PhilB [WebTeach] has disconnected.

VanceS [Webhead] returns, enlightened, from having left his avatar temporarily

VanceS says, "funny, I seem to be missing a rib or two ..."

BJB has arrived.

BJ's Shadow follows BJB to here.

BJB waves good day to Vance

VanceS says, "hi bjb"

VanceS says, "I was just running around checking recordings"

BJB says, "those recorders can keep you pretty busy"

VanceS asks, "You suggested I get a container from supplies and put my recordings in them. How do I do that?"

BJB . o O ( maggi jugst logged in )

BJB says, "go to supplies and click on CONTAINER"

BJB . o O ( unless you already did that? )

MargaretD arrives from nowhere.

MargaretD's personal recorder follows MargaretD to here.

VanceS asks, "no, I'm a newbie, remember?"

VanceS says, "Hi Maggi"

BJB waves hi to Maggi

MargaretD exclaims, "Hello!"

VanceS asks, "I was just trying to work out how to go to supplies ... type /supplies??"

BJB says, "Vance, open a web window if you're on a text client"

VanceS says, "ahhh, a clue. Yes, I see it now"

VanceS says, "alright, brb"

VanceS [Webhead] gets Container_58915 from the vending machine.

MargaretD says, "Felix was out all night at a party so he won't be coming today but said to say hello to everyone."

BJB drops 2001/10/21 WebHeads (recording).

BJB [to Maggi]: "an all night party?"

VanceS says, "sounds like Felix"

BJB smiles..sounds like fun!

VanceS asks, "BJ, what do I put where it says URL for my container? Anything?"

BJB [to VanceS]: "put nothing"

MargaretD says, "seems so...I saw him on ICQ this morning as he came zhome."

VanceS says, "k"

BJB says, "now you need to go to your office, put the container there and then put the transcripts in the container"

BJB . o O ( I just dropped another recorder for you here in reception )

VanceS says, "Thanks. I left one up in my office just now."

VanceS says, "It was funny to have found Susanne's recording up there."

BJB nods...that will be good if/when the group moves to your office

VanceS asks, "Yeah, now where is this container I just created?"

BJB says, "one of the problems with the old recorders is that they don't follow you. Your new container is in your pocket"

BJB says, "go to your office and I'll join you"

BJB [to Maggi]: "want to come?"

VanceS says, "ok"

MargaretD says, "could do"

BJB . o O ( to learn about putting objects in containers )

VanceS says, "\home"

Stopped recording in Reception (#268) at Sun Oct 21 05:12:22 2001 PDT.

Started recording in VanceS's Office (#12249)[TappedIn] at Sun Oct 21 05:12:22 2001 PDT.

BJ quietly enters the room.

Shadow follows BJ to here.

MargaretD arrives from nowhere.

MargaretD's personal recorder follows MargaretD to here.

VanceS asks, "how do I see what's in my pocket?"

BJ says, "I typed /audit vances"

BJ says, "you can look in MY ITEMS"

MargaretD has lost her link.

BJ says, "drop your webheads container"

BJ . o O ( type /drop webheads recordings )

VanceS says, "Yes, I was looking up its name"

VanceS drops Webheads Recordings.

VanceS says, "Now, I want to put our recordings in there"

BJ says, "now you can put the transcripts in the container by typing /put nameoftranscript in nameofcontainer"

MargaretD has connected.

VanceS says, "okeydokey"

BJ says, "welcome back, Maggi"

VanceS [Webhead] smiles at Maggi

VanceS says, "I've been having a little trouble with update lately. I just clicked it and it shows me in reception"

MargaretD says, "got bumped going to Vance's office"

VanceS says, "There, it's refreshed ... yeah, all kinds of cybercreatures in those halls, hard not to bump them"

VanceS puts 2001/10/14 Webheads in Webheads Recordings.

VanceS [Webhead] laughs uncontrollably

VanceS puts Webhead in Webheads Recordings.

VanceS [Webhead] amazes himself

BJ cheers for Vance

VanceS [Webhead] bows

VanceS [Webhead] bows humbly in the presence of the wise guru

VanceS says, "sorry, two wise gurus"

MargaretD says, "what do I know..."

BJ says, "AHHHH...I thought it was two wise guys"

BJ smirks

MargaretD says, "lol"

VanceS [Webhead] must adjust light in here

MargaretD asks, "saw yourself in the mirror eh?"

VanceS asks, "yes, that was it, guys ... what did I write back there?"

VanceS says, "oh, that must have been a type"

VanceS says, "typo"

BJ says, "Just read the email from Susanne to the webheads list...nice."

VanceS asks, "which one was that?"

BJ says, "she just sent it"

BJ . o O ( [efiwebheads] Webheads class hours one and two )

VanceS says, "just read it"

VanceS says, "I thought it was a good idea too, but I've got this herding cats analogy ... you can't really control what people do on the web, they're too empowered"

VanceS asks, "have you seen the herding cats video?"

BJ says, "no, I haven't"

VanceS says, "I'll find you the url (it's a good one)"

BJ says, "but I have 8 cats and have real life experience with it"

VanceS says, "you're a cat herder then"

BJ exclaims, "you are right that people are empowered on the web, but they also have the attention span of a gnat!"

MargaretD says, "bet most of them come for fo9od"

BJ says, "look what you just learned to do here takes time to develop that depth of knowledge..."

BJ says, "we are an 'instant solution' sound byte society"

MargaretD says, "some are yes"

VanceS says, ""

BJ is looking

VanceS says, "but I have to warn you once you click on the video to view it you start a long download"

BJ is patient

VanceS says, "if your machine can do it in the background, it's ok. I can see it's 3 meg"

VanceS asks, "DavidW is in reception. Should we go back there for our first hour?"

BJ [to VanceS]: "AUM is joining us"

VanceS says, "Nice. Aum is from Thailand."

MargaretD says, "Ying may be there too"

MargaretD says, "but she knows how to join you"

VanceS asks, "OK, stay here then?"

BJ says, "I'm in reception also and will get people here"

VanceS says, "ok"

aum [guest] arrives from nowhere.

VanceS says, "I think I'll tidy up the office"

MargaretD says, "Hi Aum"

VanceS says, "Hi Aum, welcome"

aum [guest] says, "hi"

aum [guest] ) after loooooong time

VanceS says, "Nice that you could get by"

aum [guest] asks, "how r u?"

aum [guest] says, "i met BJB at reception zone"

BJ waves hello again to aum

VanceS asks, "How are things in Thailand?"

aum [guest] says, "everything is ok"

aum [guest] says, "oh we're having vetgetable festival"

aum [guest] says, "we dont eat anything from animal for 10 days"

MargaretD asks, "you like vegetables Aum?"

VanceS says, "I'm talking to Ying Lan. She has a problem." <Follow Vance to where he is talking to Ying Lan>

aum [guest] says, "yes i like it ,it all good for healt"

VanceS says, "Her brother removed IE and Netscape from her machine, so she can't reach tapped in"

VanceS asks, "Is there another way? Telnet?"

BJ says, "she can download gmud or muddweller"

BJ says, "or use telnet, but it's not as good"

MargaretD asks, "what is your favorite Aum?"

aum [guest] says, "many kind"

VanceS asks, "How would she use telnet?"

aum [guest] says, "what's ur fav? margaret"

MargaretD says, "I lovevegetables and eat what is in season"

aum [guest] says, "that's good"

VanceS asks, "favorite what? Vegetable?"

MargaretD says, "now it is pumpkins"

aum [guest] says, "but now all i want is a pizza"

aum [guest] says, "where're u margaet? i guess we never met"

MargaretD says, "but you can still get things like tomatoes and zucchini from countries further south."

MargaretD says, "in Germany"

aum [guest] says, "i c"

MichaelAC arrives from nowhere.

Personal_Recorder_30627 follows MichaelAC to here.

MargaretD asks, "do you have good pizza in Thailand?"

aum [guest] asks, "how 's eveything there?"

aum [guest] says, "we have pizza hut"

VanceS says, "Hi Michael"

MichaelAC says, "Hi everyone"

aum [guest] says, "and some local brand ,it's good"

MargaretD says, "juk Aum"

aum [guest] says, "hi michael"

MichaelAC says, ""

MargaretD says, "hi mc"

MargaretD says, "the local brand is no doubt better"

aum [guest] says, "yes i know,but i've been eating just green thing for a week ...bored"

MichaelAC exclaims, "Rabbit food!"

aum [guest] says, "lol"

aum [guest] says, "now it'sm mine"

MichaelAC .buts very healthy!

aum [guest] says, "yup"

MargaretD says, "I can see you hunger for something to sink your teeth in...:-)"

aum [guest] says, "right ;)"

VanceS [Webhead] lookses at BJ, MargaretD, aum [guest], and MichaelAC.

VanceS says, "Sorry, just wondering who was here"

MichaelAC exclaims, "OK!"

BJ . o O ( you can type /look )

MichaelAC says, "I thought you might be picking a fight."

VanceS says, "Sorry about having to ask tech questions, but we're trying to get Ying Lan here without a browser"

BJ . o O ( or click on update and who's here on the web page )

VanceS [Webhead] picks fight with /michaelac.

BJ says, "I don't remember the telnet address"

VanceS asks, "where can we get gmud then?"

MargaretD says, "tell her to download is small and quick"

MichaelAC says, "BJ - how do I type an action? I forget."

BJ [to Michael]: "type :action"

MichaelAC says, "OK..."

MichaelAC runs away from Vance really fast

MargaretD stopsmcfrom hitting Vance

BJ says, "info is at"

MichaelAC asks, "What happened to YL's browser?"

MargaretD says, "brother deleted it"

MichaelAC exclaims, "Bad brother!"

MargaretD exclaims, "I know!"

MichaelAC exclaims, "How do you delete a browser...that's actually quite hard!"

MargaretD says, "who knows"

MargaretD says, "never did it"

MichaelAC asks, "Aum - how come you have been eating green food all week?"

VanceS [Webhead] has disconnected.

Disconnected from TAPPED IN on Sun Oct 21 05:51:25 2001 PDT.

Connected to TAPPED IN on Sun Oct 21 05:53:28 2001 PDT.

aum1 [guest] says, "this is a chiness festival 'J'"

BJ says, "welcome back, Vance"

aum1 [guest] says, "to respect some chiness god ..(it's a loong fairy tale)"

MichaelAC says, "J? J for what? Some Chinese word perhaps...."

MargaretD says, "lol"

aum1 [guest] says, "maybe i'll send some part of this festival to yahoo group"

MichaelAC says, "Good idea - tell us about it."

aum1 [guest] says, "yes,it's a name of festival ..."

VanceS says, "sorry, when I tried that url it closed my tapped in session"

VanceS exclaims, "We like to hear about festivals!"

aum1 [guest] )

MargaretD exclaims, "and rabbit food!"

MichaelAC asks, "Aum - what is the URL of your webheads page?"

aum1 [guest] says, "i dont know"

MargaretD says, "Vance does"

aum1 [guest] asks, "what's the correct one?"

MichaelAC asks, "Is your picture on the homepage?"

aum1 [guest] says, "no"

MargaretD says, "he is shy"

MichaelAC says, " I can't see what you look like."

aum1 [guest] says, "ohh i'm she ..just have a name like a boy"

MargaretD says, "oops...she is shy"

aum1 [guest] says, "i have blk eyes ,blk hair"

VanceS asks, "Is Aum a boy's name?"

MichaelAC exclaims, "Like most people in Asia!"

aum1 [guest] says, "here,it's a girl name"

aum1 [guest] asks, "r u Michael c,who want a sign of life?"

MichaelAC exclaims, "Yes Aum - that's me!!!"

aum1 [guest] says, "then i'm still alive"

MargaretD says, "lol"

MichaelAC says, "I'm pleased to hear that."

aum1 [guest] says, "i had busy for last few months"

VanceS says, "It was a good idea to write that email Michael"

MichaelAC says, "I know many webheads are alive but I would just ike to hear something from people we have not heard from in a long time."

MichaelAC says, "Thanks Vance."

MargaretD says, "I was busy Aum"

aum1 [guest] says, "i'll try to work on"

VanceS says, "But I think Susanne had a point too, that lurking has value"

MichaelAC says, "OK...just something short and quick is fine."

aum1 [guest] says, "then done? Margaret"

MargaretD says, "I've been saying that for years now"

MichaelAC says, "Yes Lurking is fine but not i we have 90% lurkers and 10% active members (IMHO)"

aum1 [guest] says, "what u do for living ? margaret"

VanceS says, "but it's their choice. We were talking about empowerment earlier. It's the other side of the empowerment coin, lurking that is"

aum1 [guest] says, "i'm in that 90%"

MargaretD says, "I teach Business English Aum..."

MichaelAC asks, "You want to explain that a bit V?"

aum1 [guest] says, "i c"

aum1 [guest] says, "most of people in webhead is a teacher"

VanceS [Webhead] listens to Aum "will in a sec michael

MargaretD says, "not really"

MichaelAC says, "No! not true Aum."

MargaretD says, "only here"

aum1 [guest] asks, "then in here,,who isnt a teacher?"

MichaelAC says, "Webheads come from all walks of life (many jobs, backgrounds, cultures)"

MargaretD exclaims, "you!"

VanceS says, "each of us is a teacher and a learner"

BJ agrees with Vance

aum1 [guest] says, "yes i know ..but usually people who come on Sunday,,are teacher"

MichaelAC says, "That is true."

VanceS says, "Juani is a teacher of Spanish but a learner of English"

VanceS says, "Felix is sometimes a teacher of English, but a second language English speaker"

MichaelAC says, "Moral is a student and an IT worker"

MargaretD says, "she isn't here though"

aum1 [guest] says, "i c"

VanceS asks, "What about you, Aum? Do you teach?"

aum1 [guest] says, "i'm a student ..and a learner for here"

MichaelAC exclaims, "I guess that's one reason I like to see more on the email list - so we can hear more from the non-teachers!"

aum1 [guest] says, "right ,,i never meet BJ but i know he/she is a part of webhead from mailing list"

VanceS says, "to me, the distinction blurs. I can give you an example, but listening as well ..."

VanceS [Webhead] writes the example while listening ...

MichaelAC waits

VanceS says, "I'm also talking to Ying Lan in Yahoo, text chatting"

MargaretD . o O ( hmmm )

aum1 [guest] asks, "?"

VanceS says, "I'm doing a panel discussion at TESOL at which constructivist theory is very important"

VanceS [Webhead] begins to write ...

MargaretD says, "Bonzi, my purple gorilla shot the banana out of the peel over his shoulder and can't find"

MichaelAC asks, "huh???????"

VanceS says, "Constructivist theory means that we don't teach so much but learners learn through meaningful contact"

MargaretD says, "virtual purple gorilla"

aum1 [guest] says, "it's in my stomach right now"

VanceS says, "such as what we do at webheads"

SusanneN carrying a load of notes.

DiaLog follows SusanneN to here.

TimeLog follows SusanneN to here.

MichaelAC says, "Constructivism...purple gorillas....."

SusanneN says hello!

BJ hugs Susanne hi

aum1 [guest] says, "hi susanne"

MargaretD exclaims, "if he only knew you ate it Aum!"

MargaretD says, "HSusanne"

VanceS says, "So as a TEACHER (hi Susanne) I want to teach constructiv-ly"

MichaelAC smiles at Susanne

VanceS says, "But also as a learner, which I am at times, I want to learn thru constructivism"

VanceS says, "so that's what I wanted to say. I could flesh it out, but that's the bare bones, why we are at once teachers and learners"

SusanneN susanne smiles back to all the Webheads.

MargaretD says, "put that in plain English"

MichaelAC says, "I think that last bit is fairly plain..."

SusanneN asks, "I see you're into a learning theoretical discussion?"

MichaelAC ..wes are all teachers and learners.

VanceS says, "Hi Susanne ... I'm dual tasking today, talking to Ying Lan in Yahoo and here (that's all)"

MargaretD asks, "to us maybe..and Aum?"

aum1 [guest] asks, "me?"

SusanneN grins only Dual tasking, is that a progress?

MichaelAC smiles

VanceS says, "I'm trying to cut back"

MichaelAC says, "Vance is having a relaxing session."

VanceS says, "She says James is also not able to reach tapped in"

MichaelAC says, "Yes - he sent an email about it."

SusanneN exclaims, "WEll, you'd better keep her informed and say hi from me!"

SusanneN says, "Sure! A double strategy is useful"

MichaelAC says, "Yes and say hello to YL from me too please."

SusanneN [to Michael]: "Thank you for giving us some varied subjects to write about."

MargaretD says, "she is on ICQ"

VanceS says, "Well, my point is that it is true that many people who come here are teachers, but we are also learners. And people like Aum who come here might improve their language through real meaningful interaction. Do you think so Aum"

MichaelAC says, "Susanne - I liked your idea of splitting up the focus of our Sunday sessions into 2 halves."

SusanneN . o O ( and a push to send a sign of life too! )

aum1 [guest] says, "u r right vence"

SusanneN [to Aum,]: "I am in Denmark, I am not sure I met You before?"

aum1 [guest] says, "hi susan ,,i gues we never met ,,but i heard ur name from email"

aum1 [guest] says, "i'm in Thailand"

aum1 [guest] says, "and i have to tell u first ,i'm a female"

SusanneN smiles to Aum, yes, I have been busy lately in Webheads

SusanneN exclaims, "Oh, a woman from Thailand, I am a woman too, and a grandmother!"

SusanneN [to VanceS]: "You are right about teachers being also learners, that may be the gift that computers has given us!"

aum1 [guest] says, "right :)"

SusanneN says, "Besides, I am preparing a longer presentation about who I am for my Webhead homepage, inspired by Valentin from Spain."

VanceS asks, "Susanne, you're a special case as well. Are you a teacher or a learner at Webheads?"

MichaelAC says, "That was great what Valentin wrote."

SusanneN asks, "Aum, when did you start to learn English?"

VanceS says, "Valentine writes about once a year how much he appreciates our emails"

SusanneN grins, I'm having a multiple strategy, Vance

aum1 [guest] says, "ohh since i was 6"

MargaretD says, "no e"

aum1 [guest] says, "i've been learning english for all me life"

aum1 [guest] says, "but i still cant speak ,,it's a education problem here"

MargaretD says, "lol"

SusanneN asks, "Do children in Thailand schools learn English at an early level?"

aum1 [guest] says, "yes"

MargaretD says, "is in most places Aum."

SusanneN [to Aum1 [guest]]: "But you only learned how to read and write - not how to express yourself?"

aum1 [guest] says, "but our system,,like to teach grammar...they should know ,grammar cant help u speak"

SusanneN that's so true!

MargaretD says, "I wouldn't have a job Aum if they did...:-)"

aum1 [guest] says, "lol"

VanceS says, "Grammar teaching is a good example (usually) of a non-constructivist approach"

MichaelAC says, "You should send us some voice emails Aum to help prctice yor speaking."

SusanneN says, "I just found an old fashioned English grammar as I need to improve on my own..."

MichaelAC says, "You can send voice email with"

SusanneN says, "and the phrases used there as an example were so ridiculous, they had nothing to do with real conversation."

SusanneN [to Michael]: "is Wimba for windows only?"

aum1 [guest] says, "it's true ..listen and speaking is a real big problem to me"

MichaelAC says, "Not sure Susanne (about wimba)"

SusanneN will check it out later.

VanceS says, "I'll find you a url and you can check Susanne ..."

MichaelAC says, "I'm checking now."


SusanneN . o O ( sorry for caps )

VanceS says, "Yes, that's where I was looking"

MichaelAC says, "Wimba is web based so it should not matter what op system you have."

SusanneN says, "My problem has been until recently that I learned a pretty fair English at school but since then used it for nothing until I got connected to the internet"

VanceS says, ""

MichaelAC says, " - look at the bottom of the page"

MichaelAC says, "It's for PC and macs"

SusanneN thanks , really - I will check it out later and maybe test it next Sunday in the first lesson :-))

VanceS says, "We should use it more often. It's a good facility."

SusanneN asks, "I got a microphone, do you, Aum?"

aum1 [guest] says, "not yet ,i plan to buy one soon"

SusanneN think she may buy a webcam soon

SusanneN says, "I feel I need one :-))"

aum1 [guest] says, "oh that's good"

VanceS says, "You can now have Wimba email you whenever a message gets posted to our board."

VanceS says, "I just activated that."

aum1 [guest] says, "i'll try that soon"

SusanneN [to Aum,]: "the Webheads have been experimenting heavily with webcameras lately and will be using them for a demonstration Vance is giving next month."

VanceS says, "And of course, Aum, we've been voice chatting on Yahoo lately"

SusanneN starts her browser.

MichaelAC says, "Yes do Aum - it will help your listgening and speaking"

SusanneN is logged in by the faster text client today.

aum1 [guest] says, "i ususlly chat with my friend on yahoo messenger"

MichaelAC asks, "In text?"

aum1 [guest] says, "yes"

SusanneN says, "Yes, I am using Muddweller, a text client for telnet connection."

VanceS says, "If you had a microphone you could talk to Ying Lan and I now"

aum1 [guest] asks, "who?"

VanceS says, "Ying Lan, from Taiwan"

aum1 [guest] asks, "i mean ..u said to me? or who?"

aum1 [guest] says, "(test)"

MichaelAC listens and waits

SusanneN has found the site but seem to need a change in configuration of my computer extensions. I closed down some voice programme lately because of a low memory

SusanneN says, "At least I am now sitting here with my headphones on, and has a connected FEELING :_)"

aum1 [guest] asks, "well ..r we all keep listenning?"

MargaretD says, "I guess soAum."

aum1 [guest] says, "ok then better have someone talking"

MargaretD says, "say somethng#"

VanceS says, "Sorry, some programs stopped on my machine, and I was recovering"

SusanneN sighs, am I the only Macintosh webhead?

VanceS says, "managed to keep Tapped in going."

SusanneN says, "I will have to reboot, brb"

VanceS asks, "Are you guys actually talking somewhere?"

aum1 [guest] says, "i c"

MargaretD says, "I thinkso Susanne"

MargaretD says, "jt here"

MargaretD says, "just"

MargaretD says, "and icq"

MichaelAC says, "It's time for me to say goodnight actually. It's 11.10 pm tomorrow....."

SusanneN is getting curious despite the decision of NOT multitasking. See you soon.

SusanneN exclaims, "Goodbye Michael!"

MargaretD says, "bye guys"

aum1 [guest] says, "bye michael,"

MichaelAC smiles at Susanne NOT multitasking

SusanneN says, "I will look forward for the whole script."

SusanneN says, "Bye for now."

MichaelAC says, "Goodnight/good day to all. Have a good week."

MargaretD says, "look forward TO"

VanceS says, "Ying Lan is about to leave too, so I'll be unitasking soon"

SusanneN has lost her link.

aum1 [guest] says, "i also like to read chat log"

MichaelAC has disconnected.

VanceS says, "That's nice. The logs are getting fun."

aum1 [guest] says, "but many time got error link problem"

BJ says, "Juani just logged in"

VanceS asks, "Do you mean you get errors trying to reach tapped in?"

aum1 [guest] says, "no ,it error to open chat log"

aum1 [guest] asks, "how many people still here?"

VanceS says, "which chat log ..."

juani [guest] arrives from nowhere.

aum1 [guest] says, "webhead chat log"

VanceS says, "Hi Juani"

aum1 [guest] says, "hi Juani"

VanceS asks, "Shall I try to project it to you Aum?"

aum1 [guest] asks, "?"

MargaretD says, "Hi Juani"

juani [guest] says, "Hi...... was lost.."

juani [guest] says, "glad to be here again"

VanceS says, "Great to see you"

MargaretD asks, "Snow in Colorado yet?"

juani [guest] asks, " are you ?"

juani [guest] says, "no,yet,there should be snow by the end of this month"

VanceS asks, "we're normal. You have been leading an exciting change of life. How are YOU?"

juani [guest] says, "Good.I'll be three months that I'm here already.Evrything was so different"

VanceS asks, "Do you like to get outdoors there?"

juani [guest] says, "yes,I've been to many places around.This Stste is beautiful."

juani [guest] says, "Now during Fall season the colors of trees are impressive"

VanceS says, "Colorado is beautiful. And a nice place to be if you like snow."

MargaretD says, "better in New Engoland even."

juani [guest] asks, "really?"

aum1 [guest] says, "i never c snow ;("

MargaretD says, "more color..."

juani [guest] says, "I get out every weekend."

VanceS asks, "where do you go?"

MargaretD exclaims, "snow in Thailand would be something to talk about!"

aum1 [guest] says, "Thailand dont have snow"

MargaretD says, "it is white and cold Aum."

SusanneN carrying a load of notes.

DiaLog follows SusanneN to here.

TimeLog follows SusanneN to here.

juani [guest] says, "I was in Aspen,Morron Bells once,then Denver and Colorado Springs last weekend."

SusanneN says, "Hello. Juani"

VanceS asks, "Hi Susanne, what's on the notes?"

juani [guest] says, "Hello Susanne"

SusanneN [to VanceS]: "Can't you read the notes from last week, or what notes?"

SusanneN [to Juani [guest]]: "sounds like you've been travelling in the states?"

juani [guest] says, "a little in Colorado ,where I am"

SusanneN . o O ( WHICH notes )

VanceS says, "It says you are carying a load of notes"

SusanneN says, "I see! You are living in Colorado"

juani [guest] says, "yes,working in Rifle High School"

SusanneN says, "On yes, sure I have got lots of notes on me, everywhere hidden in my bulging pockets."

VanceS says, "ah HAH"

SusanneN says, "There is a way to change those messages when you enter or leave a room in Tapped in. This time I used the /JOIN vances command to get here."

VanceS asks, "How do you change where tapped in says you've arrived from?"

SusanneN says, "I have just rebooted after changing some settings - but my computer still does not allow me to hear or record any sound in Wimba. This is another challenge. I'll have to consult an expert :-))"

SusanneN looks in her pockets for the right note on changing messages...

SusanneN says, "to Vance, first you beging with this..."

VanceS asks, "I'm going to get a container and label it nores from Susanne and put the notes from last week in it. Is that ok?"

_______________ | | SusanneN holds up a BIG sign: | /@messages me | |_______________|

BJ nods to Susanne

SusanneN exclaims, "Yes, do that!"

VanceS asks, "slash /@ ??"

BJ . o O ( also /help @messages )

SusanneN exclaims, "hi BJ!"

SusanneN says, "Both with and without a slash seem to work for me, I get a list."

aum1 [guest] asks, "where's tapped in located? US?"

SusanneN says, "Yes, in California is the server"

SusanneN . o O ( This feature to set messages is for members only )

aum1 [guest] asks, "is it a bussiness?"

BJ says, "TAPPED IN is a community for educators and students, Aum"

juani [guest] asks, "and how can I put my name ?"

BJ says, "it is funded by the National Science Foundation"

aum1 [guest] asks, "and u r staff here,,it mean u r student BJ?"

BJ [to Juani [guest]]: "are you asking how to become a member?"

BJ [to Aum1 [guest]]: "I'm a little of everything! I learn new things here every day"

BJ says, "and I am an art teacher and a staff for TAPPED IN"

aum1 [guest] says, "i c"

SusanneN [to Aum1 [guest]]: "Tapped In is a non profit project initiated by a research and development group at SRI, that is Stanford Research Institute."

aum1 [guest] says, "good project"

SusanneN says, "membership is free and a lot of organisations is supporting it"

VanceS says, "I think so (good)"

juani [guest] says, "yes,it's an excellent project"

SusanneN [to BJ]: "Oh yes, I never really found out how this separation from Stanford came up."

SusanneN [to VanceS]: "Did you find a way to make any changes in your messages?"

aum1 [guest] asks, "so how long of this project keep on?"

VanceS says, "I'll try ..."

BJ [to Aum1 [guest]]: "TAPPED IN is 4 years old, I believe"

VanceS asks, "I got a lot of messages, but how do I change them?"

aum1 [guest] asks, "i c ..pretty long,,what's a objectvie of this project?"

BJ [to VanceS]: "if you want to change the message people see when you join them..."

SusanneN [to VanceS]: "try this:"

_________________________________________ | | SusanneN holds up a BIG sign: | @leave me is leaves the room in a hurry | |_________________________________________|

SusanneN says, "NO"

BJ says, "type @arrive vances is "new message""

SusanneN says, "That is not what I wanted :-))"

VanceS says, "ok"

SusanneN asks, "Yes - but when do you arrive, BJ?"

BJ . o O ( enclose the message in quotes )

BJ says, "you arrive when you enter the room, Susanne"

SusanneN goes out.

DiaLog (recording) goes out.

TimeLog (recording) goes out.

BJ [to Aum1 [guest]]: "TAPPED IN is a professional development conference center for educators..."

SusanneN has arrived.

DiaLog (recording) has arrived.

TimeLog (recording) has arrived.

SusanneN asks, "What did you all se?"

VanceS says, "You have arrived"

BJ says, "you can find out more about what can be done here by going to"

SusanneN asks, "Nothing else?"

VanceS says, "But when Phil arrives it's from a car park at the end of the universe"

BJ [to Susanne]: "go out and then join someone"

SusanneN goes out.

DiaLog (recording) goes out.

TimeLog (recording) goes out.

SusanneN I got it!

DiaLog follows SusanneN to here.

TimeLog follows SusanneN to here.

BJ . o O ( I got it? )

VanceS says, "now it says you are entering from the garden"

SusanneN says, "That was the old message. I"

SusanneN says, "I'll try a new one."

SusanneN goes out.

DiaLog (recording) goes out.

TimeLog (recording) goes out.

SusanneN I got it!

DiaLog follows SusanneN to here.

TimeLog follows SusanneN to here.

SusanneN asks, "Any changes?"

VanceS says, "Entering from the garden"

BJ exclaims, "I see I got it!"

BJ . o O ( did you join Vance? )

SusanneN says, "There is a differendce between typing @enter me is and @enter susannen is"

SusanneN asks, "I have been struggling with this deal before. But how much did I learn?"

BJ . o O ( sometimes learning is a constant struggle! )

juani [guest] says, "and you learn by doing"

VanceS says, "ok I'll try it"

VanceS teleports to the reception.

Stopped recording in VanceS's Office (#12249) at Sun Oct 21 07:17:46 2001 PDT.

Started recording in Reception (#268)[TappedIn] at Sun Oct 21 07:17:46 2001 PDT.

VanceS says, "join /bj"

VanceS says, "\join bj"

__________ | | BJB holds up a BIG sign: | /join BJ | |__________|

Stopped recording in Reception (#268) at Sun Oct 21 07:18:20 2001 PDT.

Started recording in VanceS's Office (#12249)[TappedIn] at Sun Oct 21 07:18:20 2001 PDT.

SusanneN exclaims, "XXXXX!"

VanceS says, "bjb sees all"

VanceS says, "ok, just xxx's"

aum1 [guest] says, "nice to meet u all :) i have to go,bye"

----------------------------------- BJ ------------------------------------
VanceS xxxxx
VanceSrecorder follows VanceS to here.
---------------------------- BJ stops pasting -----------------------------

VanceS asks, "right?"

SusanneN exclaims, "Goodbye Aum!"

BJ waves bye to Aum. Nice meeting you, too

VanceS says, "ok, Aum, nice to see you again."

VanceS says, "Very glad you came"

SusanneN says, "I hope to see you soon again"

BJ . o O ( gone )

MargaretD exclaims, "bye Aum!"

juani [guest] asks, "what time is for you Vance?"

SusanneN [to Maggie]: "why don't you try to change your messages too :-))"

VanceS says, "it's 6:18 in the evening here"

juani [guest] says, "it's 8:11 a.m here"

VanceS says, "ok, I'll go and come back"

Stopped recording in VanceS's Office (#12249) at Sun Oct 21 07:20:24 2001 PDT.

Started recording in Reception (#268)[TappedIn] at Sun Oct 21 07:20:24 2001 PDT.

Stopped recording in Reception (#268) at Sun Oct 21 07:20:30 2001 PDT.

Started recording in VanceS's Office (#12249)[TappedIn] at Sun Oct 21 07:20:30 2001 PDT.

SusanneN says, "In Central Europe (and Denmark), it is 4:19 pm"

VanceS asks, "so what was my message this time?"

juani [guest] says, "thanks...Susanne."

----------------------------------- BJ ------------------------------------
VanceS Vance appears from somewhere other than here
VanceSrecorder follows VanceS to here.
---------------------------- BJ stops pasting -----------------------------

VanceS says, "perfect"

SusanneN says, "@join me is jumps up and down by the mere sight of all the webheads friends"

SusanneN asks, "V<nce which command did you use?"

VanceS says, "I used @arrive me is ..."

SusanneN says, "I see."

SusanneN says, "You did not have to add your name, that is auto generated"

VanceS says, "However, we did notice you jumping up and down there a second ago"

SusanneN exclaims, "You did!"

SusanneN grins

SusanneN says, "Bbut I did not leave yet"

VanceS asks, "oh, so did it say Vance twice?"

VanceS says, "Yes, I see in what BJ displayed now"

MargaretD exclaims, "by guys...have fu!"

MargaretD says, "fun"

BJ waves bye to Maggi

VanceS says, "ok Maggi. Thanks for joining us"

SusanneN exclaims, "Bye maggie!"

MargaretD has disconnected.

BJ says, "I also have to go shortly...still haven't had breakfast and have the laundry to get started"

SusanneN says, "We do have several Maggies."

SusanneN says, "Waves bye to BJ"

SusanneN goes out.

DiaLog (recording) goes out.

TimeLog (recording) goes out.

juani [guest] says, "bye..have a nice week."

SusanneN jumps up and down by the mere sight of all the webheads friends

VanceS says, "ok, one more time though"

DiaLog follows SusanneN to here.

webhead2001/10/21 is full. Stopped recording.

TimeLog follows SusanneN to here.

Stopped recording in VanceS's Office (#12249) at Sun Oct 21 07:25:31 2001 PDT.

Started recording in Reception (#268)[TappedIn] at Sun Oct 21 07:25:31 2001 PDT.

Stopped recording in Reception (#268) at Sun Oct 21 07:25:39 2001 PDT.

Started recording in VanceS's Office (#12249)[TappedIn] at Sun Oct 21 07:25:39 2001 PDT.

----------------------------------- BJ ------------------------------------
VanceS lands suddenly plot in a cloud of cyberdust
VanceSrecorder follows VanceS to here.
---------------------------- BJ stops pasting -----------------------------

SusanneN exclaims, "Oh, that's really BIG!"

SusanneN says, "Cyberdust, tsk tsk"

VanceS says, "achhhoooo"

SusanneN says, "See me out and in now."

VanceS says, "I meant to say plop"

SusanneN goes out.

DiaLog (recording) goes out.

TimeLog (recording) goes out.

SusanneN jumps up and down by the mere sight of all the webheads friends

DiaLog follows SusanneN to here.

TimeLog follows SusanneN to here.

VanceS asks, "Juani, are we nuts or what?"

SusanneN asks, "What did you se here?"

SusanneN picks up Frodo.

----------------------------------- BJ ------------------------------------
SusanneN jumps up and down by the mere sight of all the webheads friends
DiaLog follows SusanneN to here.
---------------------------- BJ stops pasting -----------------------------

VanceS says, "that's nice. jumps up and down on one line above that"

VanceS asks, "why was that?"

SusanneN says, "Good - but I'd better change it, that would not do for an everyday entry as a helpdesk"

Stopped recording in VanceS's Office (#12249) at Sun Oct 21 07:29:20 2001 PDT.

Started recording in Reception (#268)[TappedIn] at Sun Oct 21 07:29:20 2001 PDT.

BJB waves hi to Yaodong's student

Stopped recording in Reception (#268) at Sun Oct 21 07:29:26 2001 PDT.

Started recording in VanceS's Office (#12249)[TappedIn] at Sun Oct 21 07:29:26 2001 PDT.

----------------------------------- BJ ------------------------------------
VanceS lands suddenly kerplop stirring a fine cloud of cyberdust
VanceSrecorder follows VanceS to here.
---------------------------- BJ stops pasting -----------------------------

VanceS says, "I popped in reception and noticed Yaodongs' student there"

BJ nods and laughs..what an entry!

SusanneN sends BJ for breakfast

SusanneN says, "I'd better go outdoor before sunset."

VanceS says, "I guess I'll go down to reception and see YaodongC"

SusanneN says, "By the way, I plan to make next sunday designated to a hallowe'en party"

SusanneN grins

VanceS says, "GREAT susanne"

BJ hopes it is not to scary

SusanneN says, "I will write more about it in our mail list."

VanceS says, "That's the 28th. Sounds like fun"

SusanneN says, "We can discuss all sorts of traditions. so be prepared."

SusanneN says, "let us go to reception"

VanceS says, "cool"

VanceS says, "ok"

SusanneN teleports to the reception.

BJ looks away.

VanceS [Webhead] seesses who's here BJ [away].

VanceS teleports to the reception.

Stopped recording in VanceS's Office (#12249) at Sun Oct 21 07:33:43 2001 PDT.

Started recording in Reception (#268)[TappedIn] at Sun Oct 21 07:33:43 2001 PDT.

YaodongC [helpdesk] bows to VanceS

VanceS [Webhead] returns bow "Hi"

SusanneN [to YaodongC]: "Sorry, I hotught YOU were in the neoghborhood of Guilin in the south of China?"

VanceS [Webhead] counts who's in the room:

YaodongC [helpdesk] to Susann yes, i am in the south of guilin. i am in liuzhou.

VanceS [Webhead] counts better this time: BJB, YaodongC [helpdesk], and SusanneN.

BJB waves bye and goes to get breakfast

SusanneN says, "oh Liuzhou - too bad I lost my map over China"

BJB looks away.

YaodongC says, "sorry, i have to go,too. enjoy your breadkfast."

SusanneN counst a lot of students with Yaodong too

SusanneN waves bye to you all

VanceS says, "ok nice to see you again"

YaodongC [helpdesk] to susanneN nice to meet you again.

YaodongC [helpdesk] waves to all.

VanceS asks, "do you have students with you now?"

YaodongC says, "now jonly one."

YaodongC says, "others have left"

VanceS says, "ok, we're here at noon GMT every Sunday."

SusanneN asks, "Is it time for a break?"

VanceS says, "We'd like to meet your students."

VanceS says, "right not it's 14:30 GMT"

SusanneN exclaims, "next Sunday we plan a hallowe'en party!"

YaodongC [helpdesk] to SusanneN it is time for the office to close noow. it is late evening here.

SusanneN nods to Vance that's right

SusanneN see you soon!

YaodongC [helpdesk] waves again.

VanceS says, "ok, bye"

SusanneN can see the office closing

YaodongC says, "bye, ahve a good day! :)"

YaodongC [helpdesk] smiles ,waving again.

YaodongC says, "home"

You hear a quiet popping sound; YaodongC [helpdesk] has disconnected.

VanceS [Webhead] hopes Dong gets out the door before the door is locked.

SusanneN [to VanceS]: "thank you for today. I still do consider myself as a learning student"

VanceS says, "I guess he made it."

MaryIK has connected.

MaryIK leaves for the ASO.

MaryIK's personal recorder (recording) leaves for the ASO.

VanceS says, "Yeah, Susanne, it's a pleasure to have you helping us with our webheads fun"

SusanneN says, "I thought of proposing a discussion topic about learning online <grins>"

VanceS says, "at tapped in"

VanceS says, "Yeah, we have some conferences coming up too"

SusanneN says, "This is exacxt the way I like to learn best, in company with others who like to get the most out of it but still playing"

VanceS asks, "Hi Mary, can we help?"

SusanneN says, "I am hoping to get access to a better computer for that day. I don't know if that will be possible for me to join but I would sure like to."

SusanneN says, "Maryl left"

VanceS says, "oh"

VanceS says, "Do you mean join the conference? You don't absolutely have to have windows media player, just to hear the presentations"

SusanneN says, "Well, that would be better than nothing but participating would be even more fun"

SusanneN says, "I have some trouble with my Audio part that I have to detect why."

VanceS says, "You can participate in text chat. And you could be here for example and we send delegates to you for chaos browsing"

SusanneN says, "This summer my computer had a major breakdown so we tried to restore it back to as normal as usual but never found the best solution."

VanceS asks, "why not buy another?"

SusanneN says, "OK, in case you decide to send people here, I would be a good chaos navigator"

SusanneN grins, why not just buy another

SusanneN says, "I have to make some more savings, besides I made a promise to wait until I had finished my final paper."

SusanneN says, "My dream is the new iBook and I hope for a lower price soon - they were launched this spring."

VanceS asks, "Not considering getting a pc?"

SusanneN exclaims, "No way!"

SusanneN says, "I got an older 486 PC, but it has no net card, the modem connection is not ok, and I have too many trouble with it."

VanceS says, "WHy not get a pc and a mac? Like a pc laptop, say"

SusanneN says, "I grew up in cyberspace as a mac user, and I do not like to change my habits too much as I am mostly dependant on my own help"

VanceS says, "I don't blame you. I've used both, but prefer pcs obviously."

SusanneN says, "Having to mix platforms would be a heavy burden for me."

SusanneN says, "well, that depends for what uses."

SusanneN says, "My sense of logic is bad so that's why i fell for the more intuitive mac interface"

SusanneN says, "My mind has been restructured in an intertwined complexity with my computer files"

VanceS says, "like all of us I guess"

SusanneN says, "I decided not to waste too much time to learn things by heart as I can almost always retrack them my some keyword search"

VanceS says, "I think computers are like languages. Once you learn one you can figure out others"

SusanneN says, "The meaning of a personal computer is so true even if some clever guys propose that we begin to share all our knowledge in one pool"

SusanneN says, "I agree, I do have a very linguistic understanding of computers as another foreign language."

VanceS says, "you have to speak their language, restructure your thinking as you said"

VanceS says, "I'm putting my second computer to bed now"

SusanneN says, "The problem with knowledge pool programmes like Brain is how to make new and easily understandable structures"

SusanneN says, "I will put my dear old computer on standby very soon, too."

SusanneN says, "See you next week! Until then I will find out how to get into Wimba."

VanceS says, "I'm working on my last one now but I have to copy a file off the lan"

VanceS says, "ok, thanks for joining us"

VanceS says, "see you at the party next week."

SusanneN waves bye from Denmark

You hear a quiet popping sound; VanceS [Webhead] has disconnected.

Disconnected from TAPPED IN on Sun Oct 21 07:56:00 2001 PDT.

<Top> Tapped In chat logs | Ying Lan in voice chat with Vance on Yahoo | Michael's asides to Vance on ICQ | Michael chats with Ying Lan on ICQ | James sends an email

Vance finds Ying Lan on Yahoo chat

yinglanliu has enabled voice conference. (10/21/01 at 4:33 PM)

vance_stevens: Hi, can you hear me?

yinglanliu: I don't have IE in my computer.

yinglanliu: I don't have talnet.

vance_stevens: start / run and type TELNET

yinglanliu: My computer just told me .. there is no Telnet.

vance_stevens: download gmud or mddweller

yinglanliu: wait, I found the telnet.

yinglanliu: What is the server?


yinglanliu: I can not conntect.

yinglanliu: My connection failed, too.

yinglanliu: That's o.k.



yinglanliu: That's o.k. Vance.

yinglanliu: Maybe I join the conference next time.

yinglanliu: Say hello to everyong.

vance_stevens: I was just asking how you are. Are you feeling beter about hte world?

vance_stevens: the world? Still making plans for New York?

yinglanliu: No..

yinglanliu: Depression.

yinglanliu: Last week, someone asked me... "Do you work to live or live to work?"

vance_stevens: or do you eat to live or live to eat?

yinglanliu: I have not been advise to go to New York or Not to go to New York. Everthing become unsure now.

yinglanliu: Eat to live.

yinglanliu: Definitely...

yinglanliu: The issue... is very interesting.

yinglanliu: My coworker told me.. If I retire, I pobably will feel empty all the day.

vance_stevens: how can you retire?

yinglanliu: I had a argument with him at that time.. but I am 37 years old now.

yinglanliu: I have been working for over 15 years... I look back my life, I suddenly understand... it is the truth.

yinglanliu: If I don't need to work anymore, I will be very upset.

vance_stevens: that you work to live?

vance_stevens: oh, so you live to work ..

yinglanliu: I can not retire now...

yinglanliu: It sounds that I live to work... but I hate that...

yinglanliu: In realiastic... I am a workholic...

yinglanliu: self-pity?

vance_stevens: me too. I work ten hours a day, voluntarily

vance_stevens: and then go home and work some more

vance_stevens: but I enjoy it, so it's not depressing

yinglanliu: the worst one, I feel that I am nothing in the world.

yinglanliu: I don't even have the reason to live in the world.. except my parents..

yinglanliu: I don't have desire to meet new friend.

vance_stevens: what about us?

yinglanliu: I am really tired to make a new friend.

vance_stevens: You're important to us

yinglanliu: You are different... We have known each other for over 2 years.

vance_stevens: 3 years

yinglanliu: You have family... you live with the people whom you love very much.

yinglanliu: One year ago, I thought that I need to find my soul mate...

vance_stevens: but don't you live with peole you love, your parents?

vance_stevens: But I realize it's not the same thing ...

vance_stevens: have you given up on the soul mate idea?

yinglanliu: So.. my friend's husband arranged a date for me... he introducted his best friend to m. the guy is closed to 50,,.. single .. does not any family before.. a successful businesman.

yinglanliu: We met once at a restaurant... I just felt that I had a meeting with my client.

vance_stevens: when was that?

yinglanliu: After the date, I got a phone call from the guy... he had a strong feeling to talk to me.. but I hesitated.

vance_stevens: yeah?

vance_stevens: and then?

yinglanliu: My father was sick at the time... I used this excuse to turn him down.

yinglanliu: I feel guilty... I can not meet my freind and her husband again.

vance_stevens: too much social pressure on you there. New York will be better. You'll be free to do as you like, free of guilt

yinglanliu: I feel that I lost one freind.. she still call me some times... I just feel guilty.

yinglanliu: I know myself... there is no exciting life in New York for me.

yinglanliu: What's the proble I have?

vance_stevens: wait till you get there, it will be good for you

yinglanliu: I could stay at home for one week... no phone call ,,,

yinglanliu: Talking about the New York trip, I don't even have the working visa... I wonder I will be there or not.

yinglanliu: I got a mail from James... he could not login in tapped in ... like me.

vance_stevens: oh ...

vance_stevens: I was having trouble earlier but got in. Maybe you should try again.

vance_stevens: would James like to join us here?

yinglanliu: I don't know.. he sent the message to webhead... ..

vance_stevens: the mailing list?

yinglanliu: Yes,....

yinglanliu: You coud read it.. at your email box.

vance_stevens: ok, hang on

yinglanliu: He said.. he had problem with computer.

vance_stevens: Yeah, I just read it. Maybe I'll look at homestead

vance_stevens: You're going to New York next month, aren't you YL?

yinglanliu: I am not sure.... I don't have working visa or any visa of USA.

yinglanliu: I am waiting someone give me the new order

vance_stevens: Won't your company arrange it?

yinglanliu: I mean new notice.

yinglanliu: My company should arrange it.. ... but the deputy manager of Human Resource told me that she has to ask our new york branch ..

yinglanliu: the thing is after 911, they are not allowed to get in the old office which is located in 60 liberty street at lower manhanntan.

yinglanliu: I don't know what is going on there.

vance_stevens: Is my voice coming through?

yinglanliu: no...

yinglanliu: I lost your voice.

vance_stevens: oh, I've been talking away at you ...

yinglanliu: I also can not see the light when I am talking.. now.

vance_stevens: shall we close this and start again?

yinglanliu: maybe.

<Vance's Yahoo Messenger crashes at about this point anyway>

vance_stevens: hi, back again.  My messenger bombed

yinglanliu: oh...

yinglanliu: It is late... I want to go now.

yinglanliu: Thanks for talking, Vance.

yinglanliu: But I have not finish my conversation.

vance_stevens: ok ying lan.  Take care, and I hope you get to New York.  It will be really good for you .

vance_stevens: I'm hee for a while ...

yinglanliu: I am tired to talk to people... becasue I am afraid of  something ..

yinglanliu: fail...

yinglanliu: or ...

vance_stevens: or .. ??

vance_stevens: Too many disappointments? 

yinglanliu: I am not sure...

yinglanliu: maybe.

vance_stevens: Don't lose hope  You are very young.  You have lots of time.

yinglanliu: I am not young.. I am 37

vance_stevens: I'm 53 and I'm still young.  My wife is 50 and young.

yinglanliu: but you have two sons... one is over 20

yinglanliu: when did you married?

vance_stevens: but we'restill young

yinglanliu: 23?

yinglanliu: you are 23.

vance_stevens: 1975

yinglanliu: you were 23

yinglanliu: You have been married over 26 years.

yinglanliu: really?

vance_stevens: I was born in 1947

vance_stevens: so 28

yinglanliu: Waaa...

yinglanliu: I did not have chance to marry someone when I was 28.

vance_stevens: You can get married at 45.  My mother in law was divorced at my age and remarried.

yinglanliu: I can not be reget all my life, right?

yinglanliu: waah...

yinglanliu: I do have the guts to marry... that's my problem.

vance_stevens: no, you have a great life ahead of you.  But maybe greater if you leave Taiwan.  Not for me to say, but a feelng I have ...

yinglanliu: but life is... shits or get off the pot... have to move on.

vance_stevens: That's one of my favorite expressions.

yinglanliu: Vance... it is really strange... everyone said the same thing... my manager told me that he felt that his daughter is getting marry when he saw my transfer notic.

yinglanliu: my aunt told me that she had a strong feeling .. I would marry in New York...

yinglanliu: We will see...

yinglanliu: but I know myself... it is not so easy to open my mind.

vance_stevens: I think so.  Life is not so regulated there.  You can meet people.

vance_stevens: you are young and have an open mind

yinglanliu: I wish I had.

yinglanliu: it is really late...

yinglanliu: Thanks.

yinglanliu: your kindly attention.

vance_stevens: I think you're a lovely person and I think Webheads agree on that.

yinglanliu: You have not met me in personal.

yinglanliu: I hope that we will meet in New York... if I go to ....

vance_stevens: but we know your personality and spirit, that you like poetry and travel, and that you like us, since you come here every week

yinglanliu: I have nothing to do.. remember ?

vance_stevens: Your room is so full of books you can't even lie down. What do you mean nothing to do?  You read!

yinglanliu: yes...

yinglanliu: see you next week.

yinglanliu: I hope that I can you write you an email later.

vance_stevens: ok, hope you can find some place to sleep there ...

yinglanliu: it is clean now.

yinglanliu: bye.. bye

vance_stevens: You should send us a picture of your room one day. I'd like to see .. ok, bye

<Top> Tapped In chat logs | Ying Lan in voice chat with Vance on Yahoo | Michael's asides to Vance on ICQ | Michael chats with Ying Lan on ICQ | James sends an email

Michael made some asides to Vance on ICQ

michaelc: Were you trying to get a conversation on contructivism going? Are we supposed to focusing on a topic as per Susanne's suggestions?

Vance: no telling michael. I dont' think it's possible to focus an online discussion, but anyone is welcome to try

michaelc: laughs resignedly!

michaelc: It is possible but I don't want to try right now!

Vance: :-)) we'll try it there way a while ...

michaelc: OK - I really think we should actually......

Vance: I don't mind. I just do what everyone wants to do. Lately people have wanted to branch out. I don't think I lead so much as just follow wherever anyone wants to go, happily :-)

michaelc: Yes - but everyone assumes you are the leader! Therein lies something of a problem!

Vance: oh, now I get it ...

michaelc: LOL

michaelc: We're rudderles!

michaelc: Or aren there too many rudders?

Vance: something like that - in cyberspace you don't need a rudder. Rudders get in the way

michaelc: Well the fact that we're all still here after 2 or 3 years is pretty amazing eh? It ebbs and flows in natural cycles too a bit I think.

Vance: I think that's the proof of it Michael.

michaelc: I've been ICQ'ing with Ying - you want that bit for the logs?

Vance: Sure, if it's ok with her.

michaelc: Yeh Ying sais that was fine - I'll send it to yer! Goodnight mate.

Vance: thanks. Cheers. Thanks for cranking up the mailing list.

michaelc: No problem - I'll keep at it for a day or two more and see if we can't get a few more out of the woodwork. Ciao.

Vance: ta

<Top> Tapped In chat logs | Ying Lan in voice chat with Vance on Yahoo | Michael's asides to Vance on ICQ | Michael chats with Ying Lan on ICQ | James sends an email

Michael was also talking to Ying Lan on ICQ

<Meanwhile Ying Lan and Michael were chatting on ICQ about teaching English to young children:>

ying 21/10/01 10:46 hello michael.. long time no see... How are you?

michaelc 21/10/01 10:47 Hi Ying. I'm good. Hope you're not depresses today?!

michaelc 21/10/01 10:47 So your bad brother deleted your browsers!

ying 21/10/01 10:48 I tried to taache my nephews to speak English in this afternoon... but they said no to me...

michaelc 21/10/01 10:49 Maybe you dodn't have enough rewards for them...:)

ying 21/10/01 10:49 Yes... My brother thinks the IE or Nescape .. is not good enough.

ying 21/10/01 10:49 Rewards?

michaelc 21/10/01 10:49 So what does he want then?

ying 21/10/01 10:49 They just wanted to play computer games..

michaelc 21/10/01 10:50 Yuk

ying 21/10/01 10:50 He installed "KK" to be our browser.

michaelc 21/10/01 10:50 By rewards I mean maybe if you offered them $10, or lots of chocolate maybe they would want to learn English today!

michaelc 21/10/01 10:50 What is KK?

ying 21/10/01 10:51 I don't know how to do.. to let the young children to learn English...

michaelc 21/10/01 10:51 It's hard ...but they have to WANT TO.

ying 21/10/01 10:52 I told them.. if they learn English... I will buy jelly for them.

michaelc 21/10/01 10:52 I have never taught really young children.

ying 21/10/01 10:52 But... it doesn't work.

michaelc 21/10/01 10:52 Oh well.

ying 21/10/01 10:52 the elder one asked for jelly after dinner...

ying 21/10/01 10:53 No studying Englihs no jelly, I replied.

michaelc 21/10/01 10:54 Yes - you must be strict!

michaelc 21/10/01 10:54 Bit of course if they went to an English speaking country kids are the first to learn.

ying 21/10/01 10:57 they have to study English in Elememtary school now.

michaelc 21/10/01 10:58 Maybe try singing songs with them? Or watching a cartoon?

ying 21/10/01 10:58 I did not learned Englihs until I went to Juniour high school.

ying 21/10/01 10:58 I tried that before...

ying 21/10/01 10:58 i am a bad teacher...

michaelc 21/10/01 10:58 It didn't work?

michaelc 21/10/01 10:59 the songs and cartoons?

ying 21/10/01 10:59 I dreamed to be a teacher ...

ying 21/10/01 10:59 Yes...

michaelc 21/10/01 10:59 Teaching is very hard - esp with kids

ying 21/10/01 11:00 my problem is that I don't know how to play...

michaelc 21/10/01 11:00 Really? Are you so serious?

ying 21/10/01 11:01 I don't know... I am the kind of person ... maybe.

michaelc 21/10/01 11:01 Are you talking to V in voice chat now?

ying 21/10/01 11:02 at yahoo.

ying 21/10/01 11:02 but I lost his voice now.

ying 21/10/01 11:02 lost... now.. , grammar is wrong.

michaelc 21/10/01 11:03 I HAVE lost his voice (present perfect!)

ying 21/10/01 11:03 thanks.

ying 21/10/01 11:04 I have a teacher here... she is from Australia.

ying 21/10/01 11:04 She is only 28 years old.

ying 21/10/01 11:04 But she got several degrees at university.

ying 21/10/01 11:05 According her words... Australia is better than USA. Do you agree?

michaelc 21/10/01 11:05 Having Degrees does not make you a good teacher - one of the worst teachers I ever saw had several degrees.

michaelc 21/10/01 11:07 Aut better than US? I think so - yes. But I am biased. The welfare system is definitelt better in Aust. People are better looked after.

ying 21/10/01 11:08 yes...

ying 21/10/01 11:08 Have you joined the war?

michaelc 21/10/01 11:09 And it's quieter and more peaceful here. Yes Aust has sent some soldiers to help Bush and the boys.

ying 21/10/01 11:13 I want to go now.

michaelc 21/10/01 11:14 Me too Ying. Was nice to 'see' you. Have a goodweek won't you - no getting depressed!

michaelc 21/10/01 11:14 Can I send this to V as part of the logs for this week?

ying 21/10/01 11:14 yes. I hope so.

michaelc 21/10/01 11:15 OK about the log of this chat?

ying 21/10/01 11:15 sure.

ying 21/10/01 11:15 my pleasure.

michaelc 21/10/01 11:15 Thanks Ying. You'r great! Sleep tight.

michaelc 21/10/01 11:15 Bye.

ying 21/10/01 11:16 bye

<Top> Tapped In chat logs | Ying Lan in voice chat with Vance on Yahoo | Michael's asides to Vance on ICQ | Michael chats with Ying Lan on ICQ | James sends an email

James sent us an email and got some responses

Subject: Re: [efiwebheads] Hello to one and all
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:28:08 +0000
From: James Simpson <>

Hello webheads

Great confusion on Sunday! I usually get to TappedIn on a machine at the university which, today, was inexplicably locked. And I couldn't figure out how to download the right software on the other machine I tried. And I don't seem to be able to get on at home (I keep losing my connection to TappedIn before I can say anything!). So - very sorry to have missed you all today, but I hope you had a good chat.

Regarding the technological problems I'm having, I get the feeling it's all out there, but just beyond my reach. It's frustrating, but I'll persevere!

Best wishes to one and all


Subject: Re: [efiwebheads] Hello to one and all
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 09:46:12 -0400
From: BJ Berquist <>

Hi, James,

Too bad you had such a frustrating time logging in to TAPPED IN. Do you have a firewall on your home computer? Are you logging in with AOL? What browser and version of the browser are you using? Take a look at the FAQ page for TAPPED IN and see if that has any answers: If you still have problems, please email me and I'll try to help you figure out what to do.

Respectfully submitted,

BJ Berquist
Associate Educator, TAPPED IN

Subject: [efiwebheads] Today's chat session
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:37:33 -0400
From: John Steele <>

Hi all,

Sorry I was unable to get to class this morning. I tossed and turned all night, trying to get to sleep, and when I finally fell asleep it was almost time to get up (it was about 6:45). Needless to say, when the alarm went off at 7:00, I was just unable to get out of bed.

I hope to see you all at next week's session.

James, hang in there. I'm sure you will eventually solve the technological problem.

John Steele

<Top> Tapped In chat logs | Ying Lan in voice chat with Vance on Yahoo | Michael's asides to Vance on ICQ | Michael chats with Ying Lan on ICQ | James sends an email

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