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Webheads chat logs from September 16, 2001

Meet the people in the chat today

Vance Maggi Michael Ying Lan Sue Moral Juani Peter Gloria Felix Susanne
UAE Germany Australia Taiwan Japan China Chile Japan Paraguay Brazil Denmark

and BJB (lives in Enchanted Forest at TappedIn), Lian (who Vance found on Yahoo), Hoang (from Vietnam) - and Dario, Redy, two Bills, and Walter (who all happened on us at Tapped In)

Find where everyone first joined the chat: Vance | Sue | BJB | Ying Lan | DarioJ | Moral | Maggi | Redy | Michael | Bill | Peter | BillDe | Juani | Walter | Hoang | Lian | Gloria | Felix | Susanne

Understandably, the chat tonight was a lot about the disastrous terrorist destruction of lives and property just 5 days earlier. Sue was concerned about her plans to study in Texas, and Ying Lan told us of the survival of her colleagues whose offices in New York were near the World Trade Towers. Much of the chat cannot be recorded here because it took place in the Yahoo voice chat area. The connection was good for a change, voices were clear, and we had as many as 8 people in the voice chat: Sue and Peter in Japan, Ying Lan in Taiwan, Vance in the UAE, Michael in Australia, and Moral and Lian both in China. We were also joined there by Hoang from Vietnam, whom Ying Lan had met online and invited.

Click here for logs from: TappedIn | Text from Yahoo voice chat | Gloria on ICQ | Felix on ICQ | Susanne sends an email

Tapped In chat logs

Connected to TAPPED IN on Sun Sep 16 04:10:22 2001 PDT.

VanceS teleports to the reception.

Stopped recording in VanceS's Office (#12249) at Sun Sep 16 04:11:05 2001 PDT.

Started recording in Reception (#268)[TappedIn] at Sun Sep 16 04:11:05 2001 PDT.

VanceS asks, "Hi. WHere is my picture I wonder. Can you see it?"

Sue [guest] says, "oh, you are here"

VanceS asks, "Have I got a picture above my name?"

Sue [guest] says, "yes, in my side i can see it"

VanceS says, "oh, ok, I don't see it, but nevermind"

Sue [guest] says, "try update, maybe it would appear again"

VanceS says, "I did. But it's not important"

BJB has arrived.

BJ's Shadow follows BJB to here.

BJB [HelpDesk] waves good day

VanceS says, "Hi BJB"

Sue [guest] says, "hi, BJB"

VanceS asks, "Do you remember Sue?"

BJB [to Sue [guest]]: "where are you located?"

Sue [guest] says, "I am in Japan now"

BJB asks, "would I remember you as Sue in Japan?"

VanceS says, "Sue is hoping to go to Texas A&M University to study English."

BJB . o O ( I just got up and am not thinking very clearly yet! )

VanceS says, "She has just told me she is being mailed an acceptance letter"

VanceS . o O ( That explains the rollers )

BJB exclaims, "great, Sue!"

Sue [guest] says, "thanks BJB"

BJB [to VanceS]: "it also explains the large cup of coffee"

VanceS says, "But Sue is a little concerned about the impact of recent events on her travel and study plans"

BJB says, "it might be a problem for a while, unfortunately. It's going to take some time to unravel this mess."

Sue [guest] says, "yes, i think so too."

Sue [guest] says, "at least airline is not recovered yet."

BJB [HelpDesk] nods.

VanceS says, "I guess flights are starting up again. There must be a lot of people waiting to travel."

BJB asks, "I wouldn't want to be one of them for a few weeks yet. When were you hoping to come to the US, Sue?"

Sue [guest] says, "From news, in japan side, flights are starting again, but security is increased . take a long time for checking hand luggage."

Sue [guest] says, "me? Mostly are January next year."

BJB says, "It's not only the increased security, think about all the people who are stranded in some strange airport from when they grounded all flights."

VanceS says, "I guess it's even hard to get a bus now"

BJB says, "we'll cross our fingers for you, Sue, that things are more stable by January."

VanceS says, "But with George Make No Mistake Bush on the warpath, this is a very dangerous situation coming up."

Sue [guest] says, "i am worried there would be a war soon"

BJB says, "I think the situation is very dangerous no matter who would be president, Vance..."

BJB says, "this was a horrible, horrible act with thousands of innocent people killed"

Sue [guest] says, "but soon there would be more innocent people die for the coming revenge."

VanceS says, "Well, things started spinning out of control with the strong Israeli retaliations on Palestinians, and Bush and his team have been distancing himself from that."

BJB says, "I pray that our leaders will proceed with great care, as they appear to be doing, and the revenge will be directed at the group responsible for this terrible disaster"

VanceS says, "I hope so too, but I don't see Bush doing that. I think there's too much reliance on the military. The military has only one purpose, and politicians can be powerless to stop it, let alone individuals like us."

BJB says, "I can only speak as an individual. I wonder if your news reports are the same as our news reports."

VanceS asks, "For one thing, where is this enemy that he's raising an army against?"

VanceS says, "I watch CNN and BBC and I have access to all the websites, ABC, NBC etc"

BJB says, "if the location of the enemy was known, retaliation would have already taken place, Vance."

VanceS says, "On the other hand, one wonders if our local newspapers are reporting the same thing. Well, I can tell you in Houston you have to dig about halfway through the paper to find any international news."

BJB says, "Most of the local news now is related to how we can help NYC and Washington with recovery efforts, send sympathy messages to the survivors, and show our solidarity as a country"

VanceS says, "I can understand that. I'm thinking about the papers before this happened."

BJB says, "I have not witnessed it personally, but there are increasing reports of violence against Arab Americans and Muslims which has me very concerned."

VanceS says, "It's hard for Americans to understand the nature of this enemy."

BJB [HelpDesk] nods. Terrorism is difficult to understand

VanceS says, "That's terrible, for innocents anywhere to be targeted. It could happen to me and my family here in Abu Dhabi."

VanceS says, "For the most part, the people here are kind and apologetic about what happened."

VanceS says, "Sue, I hope you don't mind us talking about this."

BJB [HelpDesk] nods..have you read the posts to Andy Carvin's list?

Sue [guest] says, "no, i am keep reading your discussion"

VanceS says, "No, but I have the url."

VanceS asks, "I never looked. What are they saying, gyst-wise?"

BJB says, "there are hundreds (probably thousands by now) of posts...all from different points of view..."

BJB says, "I only read the ones that agree with my point of view :-)"

VanceS says, "I can relate to that"

VanceS asks, "so what is the point of view that you seek out?"

BJB says, "here's an example:"

----------------------------------- BJB -----------------------------------

"I particularly like the poster that says, "If McVeigh bombed the WTC, would we bomb Michigan?""

Ahhh but theres the conundrum.....the State of Michigan didnt hold McVeigh in protection....the people of Michigan didnt say, "He is our guest, and thus keep your hands off." (paraphrased from an article I saw yesterday, spoken by a meat vendor who supports bin Laden...CNN?)... So it doesnt appear that on close examination that the comparison holds truth does it?

I'm not say bomb or not bomb....just pointing out the idiocy in the rhetoric of BOTH sides....

---------------------------- BJB stops pasting ----------------------------

VanceS says, "Yes, but it's the government of the Taliban that's holdin Bin Ladin and it's the people of the USA and Afghanistan who are going to suffer if the USA strikes"

BJB [HelpDesk] agrees.

BJB says, "here's another post"

----------------------------------- BJB -----------------------------------

Please consider adding your name to this online list of people who do not want to see the response to September 11, 2001's terrorist attacks increase the level of conflict in the world. Please go to add your name and pass it on!

---------------------------- BJB stops pasting ----------------------------

VanceS asks, "Webheads have been working on a page. I showed it to Sue yesterday. Did you have a look Sue?"

BJB [to VanceS]: "there is a message in the TAPPED IN newsletter about some of the things that TI members are doing. You might want to post your webheads page to the meetme mail list."

VanceS says, "This url you have just sent is exactly my point of view"

VanceS says, "and that articulated on our web page"

VanceS says, "Yes, find a way to achieve justice without resorting to more violence"

VanceS says, "Justice yes, retaliation no. Stop the cycle of violence now. It's my mantra."

BJB says, "My hope is that Justice is what is being sought."

VanceS says, "It's interesting this reponse to this terrible attack on our country."

VanceS says, "If we were Israelis we would strike first and think later."

VanceS says, "The problem is that Israel has been doing this using American weapons and financial support"

VanceS says, "Something like 10 percent of our entire foreign aid budget goes to Israel."

VanceS says, "They have been increasing the level of violence in the middle east in a way acting as our proxies"

VanceS says, "This is the reason for this attack on us."

VanceS says, "And our response must not be like theirs, because we are different from them."

BJB [HelpDesk] also agrees about the response.

VanceS says, "I don't think that it has been wrong for the USA to help Israel, but I think that the way they have used that help has been wrong in the extreme."

ying has connected.

BJB says, "good day, Ying"

ying [guest] says, "Vance"

VanceS says, "Hi there."

ying [guest] says, "Hi... it is good to see you."

ying [guest] says, "Can I ask a grammer question.. I do understand the sentance."

ying [guest] says, "I do not..."

VanceS says, "Yes, nice to see all of you. ... sure"

VanceS asks, "Is that the sentence: I do not. ??"

ying [guest] says, "Information that is leading to the inflamed passions of fellow Americans and a glorification of an Israeli system that violates human rights to allegedly maintain its secrity.""

ying [guest] says, "I can not find the subject and object... in the sentence.. or just combined the two sentence by "and"."

VanceS says, "We were just discussing this .. and yes, you are correct, it is not a complete sentence."

ying [guest] says, "that last wrod is "its security.""

ying [guest] says, "Really... what is the writer's point? I don't get it."

VanceS says, "We have to imagine a subject and a verb: how about ..."

ying [guest] asks, "how about what?"

VanceS says, "The American media is diseminating information that is etc."

VanceS says, "Or some media, in other words, the media, or someone, is giving out information that raises the passions of Americans"

VanceS says, "it's 'fellow-americans' so the information giver is an american"

VanceS says, "at the same time, the entity giving out the information is glorifying an Israeli government or system"

VanceS says, "that is oppressing Palestinian rights, civil rights"

VanceS says, "and saying it is doing this because it 'allegedly' must maintain its security"

VanceS says, "allegedly means there is some doubt that this is true"

ying [guest] says, "But you don't have the evidence to porve his guility."

ying [guest] says, "prove"

VanceS asks, "prove whose guilt?"

ying [guest] says, "someone's"

DarioJ has arrived.

Dario's Recorder follows DarioJ to here.

BJB says, "good morning, Dario"

VanceS says, "Hello Dario"

ying [guest] asks, "good morning.. are you in America?"

DarioJ says, "Good morning to all"

ying [guest] says, "Dario."

ying [guest] asks, "DarioJ are you from the States?"

VanceS says, "Hi Dario. Ying Lan is in Taiwan and Sue is in Japan and I guess they want to know where you are"

DarioJ says, "Hi BJ..I am here for the webheads meeting you mention last time"

VanceS says, "And I'm in Abu Dhabi, btw"

VanceS looks Webhead.

BJB [to DarioJ]: "you're in it now, Dario. Vance is the leader of the discussion."

DarioJ says, "I am in Venezuela"

VanceS [Webhead] nods to Dario

VanceS says, "Hi Dario. Welcome."

DarioJ says, "thanks to all for the welcome"

ying [guest] asks, "Your first languages is Spanish?"

VanceS says, "Nice of you to tell others about us BJB"

DarioJ says, "yes it is spanish"

ying [guest] says, "Waaa.. cool."

MoralL has connected.

ying [guest] asks, "Are you an energetic person?"

VanceS says, "Moral, nice to see you. Moral is from China."

VanceS says, "From Kunming."

ying [guest] says, "hello Moral."

MoralL says, "Hi Vance. Nice to see you too."

MoralL says, "Hi Ying.And Hi there."

ying [guest] asks, "Hi. Sue. Did you conntect your friend who is travelling in the USA?"

ying [guest] asks, "or reach?"

DarioJ [to BJB...what]: "is this meeting for...please tell me the truth!"

MoralL says, "I hope all of you and your families and friends are ok in newyork and washington."

VanceS says, "Thanks Moral. Dario, we have met every Sunday for about 3 years now."

VanceS says, "We just talk about what's on our minds."

VanceS says, "The purpose of our discussion is language learning, but we have more human agenda as well."

VanceS says, "humanistic"

DarioJ says, "I see....fine...we usually have a lot of things in our minds"

ying [guest] says, "Language is a tool to help people to communicate."

ying [guest] says, "each other."

MargaretD arrives from nowhere.

MargaretD's personal recorder follows MargaretD to here.

BJB says, "good day, Maggi"

DarioJ says, "thanks to the language we become better humans"

MoralL exclaims, "Hi Maggi!"

MargaretD says, "Hi Moral"

VanceS says, "Hi Maggi"

MargaretD says, "Hi BJBV"

MargaretD says, "HI to Sue and Ying too..."

Sue [guest] says, "hi, so many people now"

MoralL says, "Hi to sue." <Moral invites Vance to a voice chat -- click here to follow us there -->

VanceS asks, "Sorry, we're trying to start a voice chat. Is that Moral in our conference?"

ying [guest] says, "Yes... but sometimes you speak spontaneously.. language will hurt people."

VanceS asks, "lanaoyi = moral?"

MoralL says, "Lan Dao Yi= Moral"

VanceS asks, "ok, can you hear us?"

MoralL says, "No."

MargaretD says, "words can hurt...."

MoralL asks, "How to start voice chat?"

DarioJ exclaims, " to do it ...I didn t know that we had in TI that option!"

MargaretD says, "they are somewhere else"

MoralL says, "I meant how to start voice chat at Yahoo Messenger."

VanceS asks, "Not in TI, we're in Yahoo. Do you have Yahoo Messenger?"

ying [guest] says, "We were talking about the wrong information have been spreaded by media."

VanceS asks, "What version of Yahoo Messenger do you have Moral?"

MoralL says, "newest. I can use voice chat last time."

MargaretD says, "each country's media sees it from there perspective to0o"

MargaretD says, "their"

VanceS says, "ok, there should be a voice button in the lower left corner of Yahoo Messenger"

VanceS says, "Are you on Yahoo Dario? If so we can invite you to join us."

VanceS says, "from its perspective Maggi"

MoralL says, "Vance, there was one. But it disappeared this time."

VanceS says, "LOL"

DarioJ says, "No. I have used before MSM but I havent downloaded yahoo messenger"

MargaretD says, "the country is an it yes and the media...but it is from people's perspective"

VanceS says, "it's ok, we discuss here. If you were in Yahoo Messenger you would hear Ying Lan and Sue talk about their trips to the USA"

VanceS says, "Ying Lan's colleagues are in NYC right now and she is still planning to go and replace them."

DarioJ says, "fine."

VanceS says, "YL's colleagues work near the WTC in NYC. Their bldg was damaged."

DarioJ says, "I am planning to go to Kentucky in a few weeks to visit my son who lives there"

VanceS says, "She hasn't heard about their exact situation but it seems their biggest problem right now is to locate."

VanceS says, "relocate I mena"

VanceS asks, "Have your travel plans been affected, Dario?"

DarioJ says, "no at all"

MargaretD says, "where are you Dario"

DarioJ says, "I am in Caracas, Venezuela South America"

MargaretD asks, "teaching?"

DarioJ says, "I am doing research in Virtual learning environments"

MargaretD says, "interesting"

VanceS says, "YL is talking about how she has seen earthquake recovery and how comparable this is"

MoralL asks, "Will the Us announce war to afghanistan?"

redy24x has connected.

VanceS says, "Meanwhile back in Yahoo, we have successfully got Moral in the voice"

BJB says, "hi, Redy. Welcome to TAPPED IN"

redy24x [guest] says, "Hi, Thank you."

ying [guest] asks, "maggi .. have you read the news about war to afhanistan?"

BJB [to Redy24x [guest]]: "can we help you? Are you a member of the WebHead group?"

VanceS says, "Hi Redy. Welcome"

redy24x [guest] says, "I am taking a class in VA -- one of the links was to here. I am just admiring your work."

redy24x [guest] says, "It is much nicer than the other MOOs"

BJB says, "thanks, Redy. You are welcome to explore. You are also invited to join in the current discussion."

BJB [to Redy24x [guest]]: "Webheads is an international group of language learners"

redy24x [guest] says, "Thank, I think I'll just look around today, but I will be back."

MargaretD asks, "there is a war in Afganistan Ying?"

VanceS asks, "Are you looking around Tapped In or Webheads?"

redy24x [guest] says, "Tapped in."

redy24x [guest] asks, "What is whebheads?"

VanceS says, ""

BJB [to Redy24x [guest]]: "read the following information and I'll project the url to you"

BJB [HelpDesk] projects Projections.


When a URL is projected a new web window in addition to the TI text and web window will open for everyone in the same room (don't be surprised!). You can look at the site, bookmark it, and close long as you DO NOT CLOSE the TAPestry window (the one with the room map (you will lose your link to TI if you do). When you're done looking, come back to the text window.


Michael_C has connected.

MargaretD says, "Hi mc"

VanceS says, "hi Michael. Ying lan, I dropped out of the chat, voice"

MoralL exclaims, "Hi Michael!"

Michael_C [guest] says, "Hello everyone"

ying [guest] says, "hi. michael."

ying [guest] says, "I heard that"

Michael_C [guest] says, "Moral told me there is Yahoo voice chat happening so I might join in there too."

VanceS says, "Yes, if you're on Yahoo we'll invite you." <Follow Michael to the Yahoo voice chat>

DarioJ [to BJB]: "thanks for the invitation...I am glad to know that this nice group of people is connected every Sunday morning...but I have to leave now...I am going to say goodbye to Vance"

ying [guest] says, "bye.. DarioJ. nice to meet you."

MargaretD says, "bye Dario"

BJB [HelpDesk] waves bye to Dario

MoralL says, "bye"

BJB [to Redy24x [guest]]: "are you still with us?"

redy24x [guest] says, "Yes."

BJB [HelpDesk] shows redy24x the URL:

DarioJ exclaims, "bye to all...thanks VanceS!"

VanceS says, "Bye Dario. COme again."

DarioJ says, "sure...thanks again"

You hear a quiet popping sound; DarioJ has disconnected.

VanceS says, "Sorry, distracted a bit by this Yahoo."

VanceS says, "redy, are you still there"

BJB says, "for those of us in text only, the voice pretty much leaves us out."

redy24x [guest] says, "Yes, I am here."

VanceS says, "Well, you have to get some topics going. Michael just joined our voice chat."

MargaretD asks, "How are you today BJB?"

BJB says, "fine thanks, Maggi, under the circumstances :-("

VanceS says, "Ying Lan is talking about how politicians talk about peace and don't back it up"

MargaretD says, "that is something at least..."

BJB [to Maggi]: "have you been reading the posts on Andy Carvin's Sept. 11 list?"

VanceS says, "Have you been personally affected, BJB, or just concerned."

BJB [HelpDesk] thinks Ying should also look at the carvin list

MargaretD asks, "Do you have any relatrives in MYC BJB?"

BJB [to VanceS]: "just concerned....I wouldn't doubt that all Americans have been affected in some way by this tragedy...whether directly or indirectly"

VanceS says, "I'll promote the list on webheads"

redy24x [guest] says, "I have to go for now. I will come back soon -thank you BJB."

BJB [HelpDesk] waves bye to Redy

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_41 [guest] has disconnected.

MargaretD says, "I was born there and still have relatives and friends there"

ying [guest] says, "In the States."

BJB asks, "have you been in contact with the friends and relatives, Maggi?"

MargaretD says, "in NYCYing"

MargaretD says, "so far most are ok"

ying [guest] asks, "Were you born in New York City?"

ying [guest] asks, "maggi?"

ying [guest] asks, "Which area in the New York city?"

MargaretD says, "my mother hasn't called from Calif. so I assume all the relatives there are safe."

MargaretD says, "yes, Ying"

ying [guest] says, "That's good."

VanceS says, "I haven't heard from my family at all, but they're in Texas"

MargaretD says, "One uncle lives near Wall Street"

MargaretD says, "but he is retired now...I hope"

VanceS asks, "Moral, would you like to ask a question here?"

MargaretD says, "he used to work in the WTC"

VanceS asks, "about our conversation in Yahoo?"

MoralL says, "I concentrate in Y!Messsenger."

MoralL says, "I will ask you there."

ying [guest] asks, "Really?"

ying [guest] says, "your uncle used to work in WTC.. maybe he took one day off."

MargaretD says, "he should be retired now Ying"

VanceS says, "Ying Lan says she's reading a lot about New York"

MargaretD says, "but a cousin worked there"

Michael_C [guest] says, "She read the Bone Collectors - it was filmed in NY"

MargaretD says, "I hope she went to Arizona as planned"

Michael_C [guest] says, "Bone Collector (singular)"

VanceS says, "She has seen the WTC in the pictures in the movie 'like a dream'"

ying [guest] says, "read... not.. i watched it on HBO."

MargaretD says, "it WAS something to see"

VanceS asks, "Now they're talking about Independence Day, anyone see that?"

MargaretD says, "yes"

VanceS says, "Moral thinks it's an interesting movie, about war between USA and alien creatures"

MargaretD says, "in English and German"

VanceS says, "Michael says he saw it because it was the only theatre he could get into but he really enjoyed it"

VanceS says, "For entertainment he says it was fantastic"

VanceS says, "But I didn't see it."

MargaretD says, "naja"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "It WAS!"

MargaretD exclaims, "I saw it MC!"

VanceS says, "We just got someone from Vietnam in the voice chat" <Meet Hoang in Yahoo>

VanceS says, "We don't know this person. Ying Lan invited him/her"

Michael_C [guest] says, "The Viet guy is called Hoang."

VanceS says, "We're not sure if Hoang can hear us. Probably so."

Michael_C [guest] says, "We're now talking about an imaginary meeting we may have one day..."

MargaretD asks, "between whom?"

ying [guest] says, "maggi..."

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "Between all wehheads!"

VanceS says, "All us Webheads are going to meet in Michael's backyard"

VanceS says, "Wearing our webhead t-shirts"

ying [guest] says, "I think that one day maybe we can meet in the real world."

Bill has connected.

VanceS says, "And bringing pot luck"

BJB says, "Hi, Bill. Welcome to TAPPED IN"

BJB [to Bill [guest]]: "may I help you with something?"

VanceS says, "Hi BIll. Welcome."

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "No Vance we don't use the term 'pot luck' like that in Australia!"

Bill [guest] says, "Hi.. sorry this screen was frozen."

BJB . o O ( it sometimes takes a minute for the applet to load, Bill. )

BJB [to Bill [guest]]: "are you a member of the webheads group?"

Bill [guest] exclaims, "I'm interested in the Wednesday evening Social Studies forum, and thought I would share this with my staff tomorrow. Wanted to try it before talking about it!"

MargaretD exclaims, "good idea Bill!"

BJB says, "great, Bill! The Wednesday SSForum is going to be good."

BJB . o O ( Time Classroom is going to be there presenting resources for educators to help deal with the tragedy )

MargaretD says, "hmmm...maybe Ii should come..."

BJB [to Bill [guest]]: "how did you find out about the SSForum?"

Bill [guest] says, "I received an e-mail from a CT educators listserv recommending that we use tapped in, and take part on Wed. night."

BJB . o O ( there is also going to be an Administrator's Corner meeting on October 1 on the same issue...for school administrators )

BJB [HelpDesk] nods to Bill...great!

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_198 [guest] has disconnected.

Bill [guest] exclaims, "I'll let my principals know!"

Bill [guest] leaves for the El.

BJB . o O ( oops )

Bill [guest] has arrived.

BJB [to Bill [guest]]: "you just learned how to navigate!"

BJB [to Bill [guest]]: "the meeting will be in the After School Online room"

peter has connected.

BJB says, "Hi, Peter."

VanceS says, "Hi Peter"

Bill [guest] leaves for the ASO.

Stopped recording in Reception (#268) at Sun Sep 16 06:18:40 2001 PDT.

Started recording in After School Online Room (#1460)[TappedIn] at Sun Sep 16 06:18:40 2001 PDT.

BJB says, "good job, Bill"

BJB says, "firewalls seem to be the main problem for educators trying to log in to TAPPED IN, Bill"

BJB . o O ( usually home computers aren't affected )

BJB [to Bill [guest]]: "any questions?"

Bill [guest] says, "I'll try this at school tomorrow to see if the applet loads. It may not. Most teachers will use this from home."

BJB [HelpDesk] nods...I figured. I'm in Pennsylvania, Bill....same time zone

Bill [guest] says, "I'm in New Haven, CT -- and I'm a library media specialist at a K-5 school in Westport."

BJB says, "cool, Bill! We have a couple other groups you might be interested in"

BJB says, "Targeting Librarians, let by Leslie Farmer meets once a month here..."

BJB says, "and Pam Berger leads a Web Tools discussion"

BJB asks, "do you know of Pam?"

Bill [guest] says, "I know Pam Berger.... she did two workshops for us in New Haven, and I have heard her at national conferences."

BJB [HelpDesk] nods...she's great. Have you seen her infosearcher page?

Bill [guest] exclaims, "She is GREAT!"

Bill [guest] says, "Yes"

BJB says, "cool."

BJB . o O ( I wrote the Day in the Life of a Cybrarian article )

Bill [guest] asks, "Was that in SLJ as well?"

BJB says, "I don't think so."

BJB says, "it's on the infosearcher page"

BJB says, "let me show you a very cool feature of TAPPED IN, Bill"

Bill [guest] asks, "I haven't received her inforsearcher page since I left New Haven... is the article online as well?"

BJB says, "I'm going to project a url to the following and let me know when you're ready"

BJB [HelpDesk] projects Projections.


When a URL is projected a new web window in addition to the TI text and web window will open for everyone in the same room (don't be surprised!). You can look at the site, bookmark it, and close long as you DO NOT CLOSE the TAPestry window (the one with the room map (you will lose your link to TI if you do). When you're done looking, come back to the text window.


Bill [guest] exclaims, "ready!"

BJB [HelpDesk] projects the URL:

Bill [guest] says, "Wow... what a great resource. I did not know about the online version. She used to have a newsletter. My short time on Tapped In has really paid off! I'll give that a look over. THANKS."

BJB [HelpDesk] smiles. You

BJB [HelpDesk] smiles. You're welcome, Bill

BJB . o O ( pesky return key! )

BJB [to Bill [guest]]: "may I show you another web page with information about what teachers can do?"

BJB . o O ( what teachers can do in TAPPED IN )

Bill [guest] says, "I just got hooked reading your article. I will get back to it later. It really has some great information -- especially useful for a new technology advisory committee at my school. Please show me another web page. Thanks."

BJB [HelpDesk] projects teachers corner.



BJB [HelpDesk] projects the URL:

Bill [guest] exclaims, "I need to clarify my membership -- I think I already became a member, but I never really figured this out. I have a long way to go, but I now see the incredible benefits and resources here. Thanks for spending time with me. I have to leave. Take care!"

BJB [to Bill [guest]]: "what is your last name?"

Bill [guest] says, "Derry"

BJB . o O ( I can check on your membership )

Bill [guest] says, "Great..."

BJB asks, "there is a BillDe as a member...with Bernie Dodge as the group..that you?"

BJB [to Bill [guest]]: "that's you. I can give you a new password if you like"

Bill [guest] says, "It probably is. OUr school district had us sign up for that, but I never participated."

Bill [guest] says, "Fantastic... makes it simple."

BJB [HelpDesk] nods..what password would you like?

Bill [guest] says, "stronan"

BJB says, " you can log in as a member with the name BillDe and the password stronan"

Bill [guest] asks, "Is the logon case sensitive?"

BJB says, "yes, the password is case sensitive, but not the name"

Bill [guest] says, "Thanks ---- I'll also give your article a full read now."

BJB says, "cool. It has a lot of info on how to use TAPPED IN"

BJB teleports to the reception.

Stopped recording in After School Online Room (#1460) at Sun Sep 16 06:39:47 2001 PDT.

Started recording in Reception (#268)[TappedIn] at Sun Sep 16 06:39:47 2001 PDT.

BillDe has connected.

BJB [HelpDesk] waves hi to Bill...welcome to the community!

BillDe leaves for the CAFE.

MargaretD says, "nice shadow BJB"

BJB exclaims, "thanks, Maggi!"

VanceS says, "I think there must be a limit to how many you can get in the Yahoo chat."

VanceS says, "Michael and I and Peter have excellent connection"

MargaretD asks, "and the students?"

VanceS asks, "another Typhoon, Ying Lan?"

ying [guest] says, "A typhoon.. she have stayed here for over one week."

VanceS says, "congratulations Ying Lan. You don't have work tomorrow. Lucky you."

ying [guest] says, "She stayed around the Taiwan Island... back and forth."

MargaretD asks, "you live inland right Ying?"

ying [guest] says, "Congratulation??? it will bring a lot of rain."

ying [guest] says, "Yes, I do."

ying [guest] says, "To be honest, I am glad that I have one day off."

ying [guest] says, "Even typhoon is a disaster."

MoralL says, "It will be a big storm."

ying [guest] asks, "Am I selfish?"

MargaretD says, "you don't get the worst part of the typhoon"

ying [guest] says, "I don't know... here it is o.k. now."

ying [guest] says, "But my mom said it is rain heavily in Taipei.. the northern part of Taiwan."

MargaretD says, "there are some peoplefrom Merck in rains a lot here but not like a typhoon..."

BJB looks away.

VanceS says, "We have just restarted the Yahoo chat and we have a good connection now including an_lian or ann_command from Wuhan"

VanceS says, "We're actually having an excellent voice chat at the moment"

MargaretD says, "good"

VanceS says, "It is good."

MargaretD says, "god"

MargaretD says, "good"

VanceS says, "YOu are of course welcome"

MargaretD says, "yes, well, you know I don't have Yahoo and it seems to be limited"

MargaretD says, "better to leave room for the students"

VanceS says, "Once we lost Michael it improved."

VanceS says, "Now we have 5 people and everyone is talking nicely"

MargaretD says, "funny"

juani has connected.

VanceS says, "Michael had very good bandwidth"

VanceS says, "Hi Juani"

juani [guest] says, "Hi Vance.."

MargaretD says, "Hi"

juani [guest] says, "it;s along time I hadn't been able to contact webheads"

MargaretD says, "I am sure bandwidth isn't all he has..."

VanceS asks, "HI Juani. HOw's colorado?"

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_94 [guest] has disconnected.

juani [guest] says, "nice,I'm in Palisade for the week end staying with an american family"

juani [guest] says, "we had a Fulbright meeting to share experiences and also had a lot of fun."

VanceS asks, "How do you like colorado?"

juani [guest] says, "There is the Wine Festival here and we have also been exploring the area."

VanceS asks, "Is Palisade in Colorado?"

VanceS says, "sounds like fun"

juani [guest] says, "I like it very much"

juani [guest] says, "yes,Palisade is about 45 minutes drive from Rifle"

VanceS says, "We're in Yahoo chat if you want us to invite you Juani."

VanceS says, "I didn't see you on Yahoo though."

juani [guest] says, "ok,let;see if I can get there."

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_53 [guest] has disconnected.

VanceS says, "Peter. I can't invite you because you're alreadythere"

VanceS says, "Well, I'm going to have to be going soon"

MargaretD says, "ok"

VanceS says, "Sorry you're missing the voice chat. Maybe you can start a fake acct like YL suggests."

MargaretD says, "maybe"

MargaretD says, "I doubt I missed much"

VanceS says, "you are missing a lot"

MargaretD says, "if you say so"

VanceS says, "We're talking now about YL and Moral and Lian, none of whom are 'attached'"

MargaretD says, "I must be then"

VanceS says, "And Lian says no boy can measure up to Ying Lan"

MargaretD says, "should boost her self esteem"

MargaretD says, "I am not "atached", but it doesn't worry me"

MargaretD says, "attached"

VanceS says, "They have no boy/girl friends"

VanceS says, "So we're talking about prospects"

MargaretD says, "nice"

MargaretD says, "prospectsfor someone handicapped are limited"

MoralL says, "bye Maggi and all."

MargaretD says, "bye Morasl"

MargaretD says, "Moral"

You hear a quiet popping sound; MoralL has disconnected.

ying [guest] says, "maggi. it is time to go to bed."

VanceS says, "We're just leaving"

ying [guest] says, "see you next time."

ying [guest] says, "Vance, have a good night."

VanceS says, "That was a very nice voice chat. Very good connection."

ying [guest] says, "yes."

VanceS says, "You too Ying Lan"

ying [guest] says, "My oral Englihs is not so good."

MargaretD says, "bye"

VanceS says, "I'm off in a moment. Going to go to the Little BOy's room first."

ying [guest] says, "oh."

VanceS [Webhead] walks into hall

ying [guest] says, "see you next time."

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_113 [guest] has disconnected.

MargaretD says, "yes, bye for now"

VanceS [Webhead] is back, much relieved

VanceS [Webhead] opens a Coke (thirsty)

VanceS says, "Maggi, are you able to get the webheads web site? It's unavailable to me but michael was able to get it"

WalterM has connected.

MargaretD says, "yesterday it was ok"

VanceS says, "Hi Walter"

WalterM exclaims, "Hi!"

WalterM [Connected University] leaves for the El.

Walter's Widget (recording) leaves for the El.

VanceS says, "I guess you know what I'm doing ..."

MargaretD asks, "I do?"

VanceS says, "gettng the logs"

VanceS says, "and I've just done it (whew)"

MargaretD asks, "on a voice chat?"

VanceS says, "wondering about the homestead site and why I can't get it.

Michael could have got a cached copy btw"

VanceS says, "Yeah, there was a lot of text chat as well"

MargaretD says, "sleep on it"

VanceS says, "Tried to get them to text chat in Tapped In but they're not purists."

MargaretD says, "why should they be.."

MargaretD says, "you aren't"

VanceS asks, "I'm ambivalent about the term, but what do you mean?"

MargaretD says, "you aren't a purist"

VanceS says, "Well, probably not, but just wondering in respect to what"

BJB [away] waves bye and goes to run some errands

You hear a quiet popping sound; BJB [away] has disconnected.

MargaretD says, "in respect to the word"

MargaretD asks, "why do you think there is always something behind what a person says?"

VanceS says, "Gice's maxims? One of which is relevance."

MargaretD says, "wzhatever"

VanceS says, "ok, well, I'm shutting everything down and trying to get home."

MargaretD says, "ok"

VanceS says, "ok, bye then"

You hear a quiet popping sound; VanceS [Webhead] has disconnected.

Disconnected from TAPPED IN on Sun Sep 16 07:51:48 2001 PDT.

Click here for logs from: TappedIn | Text from Yahoo voice chat | Gloria on ICQ | Felix on ICQ | Susanne sends an email

Text from Yahoo voice chat

Sue found me here at about about 3:00 p.m. my time, 11:00 a.m. GMT:

mysailing: hello, vance, the class is beginning?

vance_stevens: Hi there. Yes, I guess it's beginning now (now that you are here)

mysailing: just notice there is no one logging in on yahoo pager

vance_stevens: On my pager you mean?

mysailing: no, i mean on yahoo messenger

vance_stevens: oh, you mean no other webheads. Yeah, no one is on ICQ either

mysailing: did i tell you TAMU is sending me acceptance letter?

vance_stevens: Really?! No. Congratulations

mysailing: thanks. but it would take a long time for me to apply for visa since the explosion recently.

vance_stevens: I don't think they're too concerned about Japanese students, are they?

mysailing: i do not know either. Just feel maybe they are not friendly to foreigners at present.

vance_stevens: I don't think Americans are any less friendly. They're just in shock. They don't know where the enemy is.

vance_stevens: All over the world, they are cutting back on visa services. But they're reviewing security mainly.

mysailing: i do not know the meaning of 'cutting back'

vance_stevens: It means to do less than before

vance_stevens: Now I see you at tapped in. Let's talk there ...

mysailing: ok <Follow Vance and Sue to Tapped In, at 11:07 GMT>

<We talk in Tapped In a while. Then Moral invites us to a voice chat>

Yahoo! Messenger: Conference landaoyi-8933 started.

vance_stevens: hi

landaoyi: Hi Vance. Have you started a voice chat?

vance_stevens: Not yet. Let me plug in a mic

Yahoo! Messenger: yinglanliu has joined the conference.

vance_stevens: Is this Moral or Lian?

landaoyi: Moral

landaoyi: This is Moral

Yahoo! Messenger: mysailing has joined the conference.

landaoyi: Can you hear me?

yinglanliu: We can not hear you, moral.

vance_stevens: Hi Sue. No can't hear you Moral. Can you hear us?

yinglanliu: sue is coming.. but I can not hear her.

landaoyi: No, Vance.

landaoyi: Ok...Maybe you should start a voice chat and I join you Vance.

landaoyi: Ying, was Yahoo Messenger updated in the 2 weeks?

landaoyi: leave for awhile for news on tv.

Yahoo! Messenger: You are now logged into voice conference - vance_stevens-43554.

Yahoo! Messenger: mysailing has joined the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: yinglanliu has joined the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: mikecogh has joined the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: landaoyi has declined to join and sent: лл£¬µ«ÊDz»±ØÁË¡£

Yahoo! Messenger: landaoyi has joined the conference.

mikecogh: Nauru

yinglanliu: Do you think.. that... I can immigare to Australia?

yinglanliu: I don

yinglanliu: 'I don't have money... I am poor.

yinglanliu: Only way I could immigare is "marriage".

mikecogh: Moral - are you here?

landaoyi: ying, do you really immigrate to Au?

mikecogh: OK - good.

mikecogh: OK - we can try and write more....or in Tapped In

yinglanliu: I am joking.

yinglanliu: I don't want to immigrate to any countries.

yinglanliu: maggi... she doesn't like to join Yahoo.messager.

yinglanliu: too much personal questions.

landaoyi: Did you watch Independency Day?

yinglanliu: no..

landaoyi: A Movie.

mikecogh: Yes I did Moral

mikecogh: It was pure fantasy

mikecogh: Aliens from outer space

yinglanliu: i remember ... that.

yinglanliu: Supied?

mikecogh: Stupid - but fun

yinglanliu: but I think it is a good moive... for entertainment.

landaoyi: Things happened in the movie happened in MYC .

mikecogh: America versus the rest of the world and America won

landaoyi: NYC

yinglanliu: someone is from Vietman, he wants to join our conversation.

yinglanliu: his name is pt_hoang

yinglanliu: how

vance_stevens: File edit view friend

vance_stevens: pull down friend / invite

yinglanliu: I sent the message to him.

Yahoo! Messenger: pt_hoang has joined the conference.

landaoyi: sue is mysailing.

pt_hoang: Hi, every body, My name is hoang, living vietnam, so happy to see you

mikecogh: Hello Hoang.

landaoyi: hi hoang.

mikecogh: I am in Australia. Can you hear us talking?

pt_hoang: hapy to see you

landaoyi: I am in China.

yinglanliu: You can press the voice buttom at the bottom of the window.

pt_hoang: yes

vance_stevens: Happy to see you. Can you hear us?

yinglanliu: It is the frist time I have met pt_hoang.

yinglanliu: He asked me about join our conversation.

yinglanliu: Port Luck

yinglanliu: One day, we will meet.

landaoyi: Michael, you have many Vietnam students, so maybe you know some Vietnam language.

pt_hoang: network here can not work well, it always disconnect

vance_stevens: pot luck

yinglanliu: On.... it is a party.

yinglanliu: spelling wrong.

yinglanliu: pot luck.

yinglanliu: That's what I want to say.

vance_stevens: Yeah, whatever you bring for the pot

pt_hoang: oh

pt_hoang: goodluck or potluck

pt_hoang: yeh i see

yinglanliu: There is a typhon coming.. actually, she doesn't want to leave Taiwan. she has stayed here.. aroung Taiwan Island for over one week.

pt_hoang: may i ask you some question?

yinglanliu: sure.

yinglanliu: I love pot luck. I like to bring in Ice Cream.. people love it.

yinglanliu: I don't eat any Ice Cream.

yinglanliu: And Chocloate.

yinglanliu: I like to watch ....

pt_hoang: yes i like it. In vietnam people like to it ice cream which is made Walls company(holand company)

mikecogh: You mean a Dutch company (from Holland)?

pt_hoang: How do you see each other?

yinglanliu: Because I am too fat, I can not eat any Ice Cream.

landaoyi: hehe...

pt_hoang: yes, Dutch

pt_hoang: I am not fat so I always eat it after lunch,

yinglanliu: I love Ice Cream.

mikecogh: smiles

vance_stevens: Hoang, can yuo check out this url:

mikecogh: smiles at Hoang!

vance_stevens: You can see our pictures

landaoyi: I am finding ways to get fat...

pt_hoang: ok , i will do

yinglanliu: It is skinny not thin.

pt_hoang: I just see your pictures

pt_hoang: yeh

vance_stevens: CLick on Students and you can find names

yinglanliu: It was an old picture.

pt_hoang: yes, thank a lot

yinglanliu: I was 36.

landaoyi: women always think they are fat.

mikecogh: That's true Moral!

pt_hoang: i was 37

mikecogh: Were 37? Or you are 37?

pt_hoang: wht? who is sorsah?

pt_hoang: yes 37 age

mikecogh: I am 47.

pt_hoang: she is vietnamese?

mikecogh: No sorsah is from Laos.

mikecogh: I think...Vance is checking.

pt_hoang: yes,

mikecogh: brb

pt_hoang: do you come here often?

landaoyi: Hoang, we are here every sunday.

yinglanliu: Every sunday night.

landaoyi: And maybe morning in other areas.

pt_hoang: Ok what time can we discuss? and how to prepare it?

landaoyi: You can find us at

landaoyi: Hoang, maybe you can tell us a little more about yourself.

yinglanliu: if you have any questions want to ask.. just ask.. you don't need to prepare .

yinglanliu: Hochiminh City?

pt_hoang: what you want to know about me?

vance_stevens: yeah

yinglanliu: I have a lot of clients who are working in Vietnam.

landaoyi: Maybe, first genger.

mikecogh: Where do you live in Vietnam?

pt_hoang: yes

landaoyi: gender.

yinglanliu: Everything .. you can tell if you want to tell us.

landaoyi: yes, I mean anything you want to tell us.

pt_hoang: My family is living in can tho province, i have come saigon city since 1996 for working. I have been a lot of working here as salesman, manager, teacher

landaoyi: And you possess good English...

pt_hoang: I can speak E, I have a lot of friend who cam from USA, Autralia, China

Yahoo! Messenger: hdep65 has joined the conference.

pt_hoang: so i can speak E

hdep65: hi peeps

hdep65: wait for a sec

hdep65: while I get mike

pt_hoang: yes

hdep65: lol

landaoyi: hi!

vance_stevens: We've got Mike here. You need a mic.

mikecogh: What are you eating Peter?

pt_hoang: what peter?

mikecogh: Peter is hdep65

pt_hoang: wht hdep65?

yinglanliu: We have 7 people.

pt_hoang: what?

pt_hoang: yes

pt_hoang: may i know about each?

yinglanliu: each other?

yinglanliu: i can not hear you peter.

vance_stevens: Yes, you can find out about us at

pt_hoang: yes

pt_hoang: thank

landaoyi: what happened...I lost voice.

yinglanliu: I lost you.. pepter.

yinglanliu: I can not hear any voice now.

yinglanliu: connection problem.

pt_hoang: yes

landaoyi: I can hear but I lost the button to speak.

pt_hoang: network is not good as other in the world

landaoyi: please invite me again. I have to leave and rejoin.

Yahoo! Messenger: landaoyi has left the conference.

pt_hoang: why do i contact you?

Yahoo! Messenger: landaoyi has joined the conference.

mikecogh: for a picture of Peter

pt_hoang: I will contact you later


pt_hoang: bye

pt_hoang: thank

vance_stevens: OK, welcoem back. Noon GMT each Sunday.

mikecogh: Bye Hoang - come back next week.

landaoyi: bye Hoang.

pt_hoang: yes wht time may i see you eachsunday?

yinglanliu: from 8 or 7:30 p.m.

yinglanliu: for you mmmaybe 8p.m.

vance_stevens: noon gmt

landaoyi: You also find it at

yinglanliu: I am not sure the time area in the world.

vance_stevens: Now it's 13:30 GMT

pt_hoang: the same time, i wil email you to learn it

yinglanliu: I just saw peter's picture.

Yahoo! Messenger: pt_hoang has left the conference.

yinglanliu: he is a handsome guy.

hdep65: lol, ying I think you might have got the wrong phot

landaoyi: Ying, you mean peter?

yinglanliu: yes.

hdep65: !!!!!

mikecogh: Ying - what is this pc to pc request call?

landaoyi: yes.

yinglanliu: I try to phone you by doesn't work.

mikecogh: Oh - it's gone

yinglanliu: I cancell it.

mikecogh: OK - i have to go now anyway.

landaoyi: Well, bye for now Michael.

yinglanliu: I see.... you know .. because typhoon is coming, I don't need to go to office tomorrow.

yinglanliu: I just heard the annoucement for Government.

mikecogh: Goodbye everyone. have a good week - better than last week I'm sure.

yinglanliu: No more war.. I hope.

mikecogh: Yes - let's hope.

mysailing: bye

mikecogh: Bye all.

Yahoo! Messenger: mikecogh has left the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: You are now logged into voice conference - vance_stevens-54113.

Yahoo! Messenger: an_lian has joined the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: hdep65 has joined the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: landaoyi has joined the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: mysailing has joined the conference.

landaoyi: do you have voice?

Yahoo! Messenger: yinglanliu has joined the conference.

vance_stevens: Yes we do. Do you?

landaoyi: No... I think you should please invite me again.

Yahoo! Messenger: landaoyi has left the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: landaoyi has joined the conference.

landaoyi: Ying. Maybe the forecast is not right... You will have one day off and the storm won't come.

yinglanliu: no.. my mom told me "it is rain heavily in the northern part of Taiwan island. "

yinglanliu: Peter is from UK and he is 36 years old.

yinglanliu: right?

landaoyi: who is an_lian?

yinglanliu: I just read his introduction

vance_stevens: She's from Wuhan and we met her in Tapped In

an_lian: i am an-lian , a girl from wuhan in china.

landaoyi: in China.

yinglanliu: I am wrong, peter is 34 years old.

an_lian: yes, in china.

hdep65: no ying

hdep65: almost 36

landaoyi: me too.

yinglanliu: I am one year older than you.

hdep65: good

yinglanliu: two years... my math is bad.

hdep65: at least somebody is a little bit older

yinglanliu: 1947?

an_lian: excuse me, linglanliu, how old are you?

landaoyi: I love to add girls to my contact list.

yinglanliu: I was born in 1964.

an_lian: the same age as my aunt.

yinglanliu: your aunt?

an_lian: i heard you will go to usa to work, right?

an_lian: yes, my aunt

yinglanliu: yes, I will.

yinglanliu: Sue, are you tired?

yinglanliu: Or you just want to sing?

an_lian: wish you good jouney in usa, yinglan

yinglanliu: thanks.

vance_stevens: cycle

landaoyi: an lian,sue,ying and me is chinese speaker and we are here learning English. it's interesting.

an_lian: yes, very interesting.

yinglanliu: There is a big conflict culture.

yinglanliu: It should not happen. war.

landaoyi: what war?

yinglanliu: make no mistake.. it impressed.

yinglanliu: Can you visit "Cnn"?


landaoyi: who? I can not.

vance_stevens: yes

yinglanliu: The Pakistani government will ask the Taliban, Afghanistan's rulers, to hand over suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden in three days or face massive military action led by the United States, CNN learned today.

yinglanliu: I just read the topic.

yinglanliu: I hope they hand over Osama bin Laden.. do you think this guy is a perpetrator?

mysailing: i am afraid i need to leave

mysailing: bye all.

Yahoo! Messenger: mysailing has left the conference.

yinglanliu: If they hand over Osama bin Laden.. there is no war in next wee.

yinglanliu: week.

Yahoo! Messenger: You are now logged into voice conference - vance_stevens-633.

Yahoo! Messenger: yinglanliu has joined the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: hdep65 has joined the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: an_lian has joined the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger: landaoyi has joined the conference.

hdep65: hmmm

hdep65: not having much joy here

landaoyi: sorry, this happend again... I have to quit and rejoin.

Yahoo! Messenger: landaoyi has left the conference.

hdep65: did everybody crash then or was it just me??

yinglanliu: Only you , peter

hdep65: damm!!!!

hdep65: my own fault

hdep65: had too many application open

Yahoo! Messenger: landaoyi has joined the conference.

vance_stevens: Alright Peter. We're all here but you.

yinglanliu: i also open six windows at the same time.

an_lian: me too

hdep65: lol

vance_stevens: So We'll try again.


hdep65: now I can't connect to the voice server

hdep65: so am silenced

vance_stevens: This time, don't invite me. Wait for my invitation.

hdep65: probably not a bad thng for the rest of you

yinglanliu: How old is your son, peter?

yinglanliu: Your son should be very handsome.

yinglanliu: he is a euro-asian.

vance_stevens: Can you hear us Peter?

hdep65: nope

hdep65: no voice

hdep65: but yes, my son is very handsome

hdep65: in my opinion!

vance_stevens: ok, I'll shut this down and try again.

yinglanliu: how old is he?

hdep65: but I am what is described in Japan as an OYA BAKA

hdep65: foolish parent

hdep65: too proud of his children

Yahoo! Messenger: You are now logged into voice conference - vance_stevens-6941.

Yahoo! Messenger: landaoyi has declined to join and sent: лл£¬µ«ÊDz»±ØÁË¡£

Yahoo! Messenger: an_lian has joined the conference.

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Yahoo! Messenger: yinglanliu has joined the conference.

vance_stevens: Can you all hear Peter and I?

Yahoo! Messenger: landaoyi has joined the conference.

yinglanliu: 9 monthes.

yinglanliu: I am single.

yinglanliu: Vance has two sons.

an_lian: i am unmarried.

an_lian: i even don't have a bf

hdep65: awwww!!!!!!

landaoyi: yes, i know it much.

yinglanliu: I am too ugly.. nobody wants to chase me.

hdep65: lol lol ying

yinglanliu: you have not seen me.

yinglanliu: it is only a picture.

landaoyi: but ying must looks unreachable.

yinglanliu: too much trouble to living with someone else.

yinglanliu: I am too old.

hdep65: NOT AT ALL


landaoyi: I don't think so Ying.

yinglanliu: shrew

yinglanliu: in my life, I have not receive any love letter from male creature.

vance_stevens: barrier?

yinglanliu: letters

hdep65: dammit

hdep65: crashed again!!!!!

landaoyi: "The US is pointing the finger at me but I categorically state that I have not done this," bin Laden said.

yinglanliu: who did it?

hdep65: vance, this time will exit, please invite me back

Yahoo! Messenger: hdep65 has left the conference.

landaoyi: I bet Ying will meet the right guy, maybe in NYC.

an_lian: i think so

yinglanliu: i invite hdep65.

yinglanliu: I can not get him.

Yahoo! Messenger: hdep65 has joined the conference.

hdep65: well, got back

hdep65: but can't connect to voice server again

hdep65: time to re-format the hard disk I think

vance_stevens: Yep. I'm about to go home myself.

yinglanliu: It is time to go to bed.

an_lian: yes,

vance_stevens: Time for dinner.

landaoyi: peter, I think it is not your problem. I can not use voice for several time.

hdep65: OK people, interesting to chat with you again

hdep65: same place same time another day

yinglanliu: yes...

vance_stevens: OK, noon GMT Sunday Peter

hdep65: whatever goes wrong it's still great fun!!!!

landaoyi: yes, peter.

an_lian: yes,

vance_stevens: Bye Peter

vance_stevens: We're off

landaoyi: bye peter.

hdep65: see you all again

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an_lian: bye ppl


hdep65: same place same time another day

yinglanliu: yes...

vance_stevens: OK, noon GMT Sunday Peter

hdep65: whatever goes wrong it's still great fun!!!!

landaoyi: yes, peter.

an_lian: yes,

vance_stevens: Bye Peter

vance_stevens: We're off

landaoyi: bye peter.

hdep65: see you all again

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an_lian: bye ppl

landaoyi: bye

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vance_stevens: Vance Stevens

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vance_stevens: United Arab Emirates

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Lolita on ICQ

lolita: Hello Vance . How are you?
I'm really sorry about what´s happening in the US

Vance: Hi Gloria. Nice to hear from you. How are you?

lolita: I'm fine, what about you?

Vance: Well, so far, safe and sound. Not happy about the prospect of Americans going to war.

lolita: yeah it's crazy nobody will be safe enough anymore if it happens

Vance: Not sure if anyone is safe now. Four plane loads of people. From all nations.

lolita: that's true, there were paraguayans working at the towers...

Vance: So what do people in Paraguay think? What do they think should be done?

lolita: It seems like ancient problems are the same problems we still got nowadays

Vance: Ancient meaning religion? Really, I could do without religion. Human beings matter more than their idea of God.

lolita: I think and so others people that US must stop its plan of attacking
an entire nation full of innocent people too. This will have a domino effect. That's not the answer I think
lolita: ancient=old
not religion

Vance: I agree with you completely. My call is for no retaliation, end the cycle of violence. Justice by some other means. They're only going to kill more americans and afghans as well.

lolita: I'm sorry I put a french word...

Vance: old problems, ah .. anciennes, oui, pas de problem

Vance: yeah, I argued with my wife that this problem was started when Ariel Sharon set foot in the mosque on Dome of the Rock, but she pointed out that the Africa bombings happened long before that. It's been a war for some time.

lolita: pas de problem
I concern about americans living in the Middle East

Vance: Well, we're concerned a little bit too, but to tell you frankly, I don't feel that the Emiratis would harm us. We are perhaps in danger from people living here, not Emiratis, but it's the same in the USA too. If you can read NYT, you might want to look at this:

Vance: This is about attacks on Arabs living in the USA

lolita: Palestinians have the right of having a piece of land...and I agree that jews are not doing what they have to for stopping war and death

Vance: To tell you frankly, living overseas, esp in this part of the world, changes your perception on world events. I think I see more both sides. It's terrible what the terrorists have done, but it's also terrible what the Israelis have done with American support.

lolita: I know that...
I Know that because I was watching CNN

Vance: CNN reports the news fairly I think, but Americans get a different version. I don't think Americans are well informed of what goes on in the Middle East.

lolita: an american girl told me that democracy and human rights are granted inside the US but she also said US had a dirty politic outside the US..That was an american point of view...

lolita: I was once in the US and I noticed that most people don't know what is like the rest of the world...
Yesterday one man said USA is not the world!

Vance: In my opinion, American politics is not democratic inside the USA. In order to elect an official, the candidate needs money to support an ad campaign. THerefore s/he can't offend any established groups. Therefore we have no opposition to the status quo. Then look at Bush's hijacking of the American election.

Vance: You are right about American ignorance of the rest of the world. When I was growing up we learned more in school I think than they do now. Plus, newspapers do not report world news on the front page so much, and little analysis. THis doesn't mean the new isn't there, it just means americans have to seek it out, and many don't.

lolita: well I have to go now. All I wanted to say is that we need to stand for a better world everybody doing what they can to stop the suffering of innocents and that there's just one race "the human being race"
I don't know if I wrote race OK?
race I mean black, white, indians..etc..

Vance: The human race. Thanks for your thought Gloria. I have a web page for them. I"ll add them there and send the url in a bit. Take care. Thanks for getting in touch.

lolita: bye, take care

Vance: ok, thanks again for your thoughts.
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Felix on ICQ

Grisham 9/16/01 9:22 PM hi there

Vance 9/16/01 9:22 PM Hey Felix. How are you?

Grisham 9/16/01 9:22 PM fine and you... shocked about the events

Vance 9/16/01 9:23 PM Yeah really. Things will never be the same.

Grisham 9/16/01 9:23 PM all over the globe

Vance 9/16/01 9:24 PM Not sure what's going to happen now. May come to join you in Brazil!

Grisham 9/16/01 9:24 PM be my guest

Grisham 9/16/01 9:25 PM things will not be good for you in UAE right??

Vance 9/16/01 9:27 PM Well, actually, the UAE is very safe. Nice people here. I'm reading this url just now. You may have to register with NYT to read it: LA.html

Vance 9/16/01 9:35 PM This is about attacks on Arabs living in the USA

Grisham 9/16/01 9:35 PM that´s unacceptable

Vance 9/16/01 9:36 PM Absolutely

Grisham 9/16/01 9:36 PM we will destroy ourselves

Vance 9/16/01 9:37 PM To tell you frankly, living overseas, esp in this part of the world, changes your perception on world events. I think I see more both sides. It's terrible what the terrorists have done, but it's also terrible what the Israelis have done with American support.

Grisham 9/16/01 9:38 PM of course that Americans are not angels....
and the media hasn´t showed what the americans have contributed to the destruction of lives...
but terrorism is unacceptable wherever it happens

Vance 9/16/01 9:42 PM True, I was surprised to read that 130,000 Japanese were killed in the bombing of HIroshima. In NYC we are talking about 5,000. Still that is a lot of people for an attack on a peaceful nation. Americans contribute to Israeli domination in the Middle East, but I can't believe they accept Israeli methods. They are guilty of being ignorant of them perhaps.

Grisham 9/16/01 9:42 PM what I feel sorry is the lives lost.. ppl who don´t have anything to do with this

Vance 9/16/01 9:46 PM Really, that's why Americans are going to war I guess. It's why the world will support them. But it just means more innocents will be killed. Pretty depressing.

Grisham 9/16/01 9:48 PM pretty depressing we are together with these thoughts... KILLING

Vance 9/16/01 9:50 PM no more killing; That's my message. Stop the violence. Find another way. Use intelligence. It is clear though that Amerians are already lining up to fight this war.

Grisham 9/16/01 9:50 PM power... money.... obsession......
that´s why it´s hard to stop it

Vance 9/16/01 9:52 PM I think the reason the terrorists do what they do is that they are frustrated, with no other means of fighting the oppression, and now the Americans are in the same position, so they will use the means at their disposal.

Vance 9/16/01 9:58 PM Felix, thanks very much for checking in. I appreciate your thoughts. I'm going to turn toward bed now.

Vance 9/16/01 9:59 PM good night ...

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Susanne sends an email

Hi all Webheads,

Today I will not be able to join the Webheads because we have a tradition to spend Sunday afternoons doing something togehter. I will speak a few words to you by email instead.

This week had been one of the saddest I can ever remember because of the unthinkable disaster Tuesday. So many people killed - a true tragedy shown again and agin on TV channels all over the world, a scenery of burning and flaaing towers not unlike a bad taste Hollywood disaster movie.

It is horrible and close to unbelievable that some symbolic buildings have been erased or so many lives and positions concentrated on one spot, have sadly come to an end in one blow. Maybe even more depressing to think of is, however, that this tragedy event may for many years to come hereafter have a controllling influence on the world order, suddenly exposing anyone from a muslim background as a possible suspect. We must not forget that although the US people have been free of war taking place on their own land, there has been a heavy export of arms, expertise and men and a srong involvement in many warfare actions as well as other economic controlling manifestations of hen American super potential like trade embargo etc. Although I can understand the grief and despair of all the victims and survivors of the kamikaze pilot attacks, there is no evidence that this widepread terror organization has its outspring from one single nation, and I dislike the idea of the so-called civilized super power waiting to manifestate an invincibility, and if necessary extinguish one of the poorest countries, Afghanistan. Let them get those terrorists if possible, there is not rom for this kind of extreme madness around. It is not hard to understand that some of the oppressed people may find that their heroic actions has been a success; finally they got some efficient revenge. But if and when the US president ( supported by his NATO allies) decides to counteract with brutal uses of armed forces, will we then have solved anything to turn humanity into a more peaceful life together?

According to our educational and pedagogical responsibilities, we may consider how the potential the internet has already shown us many ways of interaction, support telegrams, mailing lists about September 9th, etc. I mean, instead of just adding to feelings of instant hatred and revenge often being first reactions of a schock like this, we may discuss how to strengthen peaceful and true global understanding attitudes.

Hopefully some of you can use my thoughts for more dialogue.


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