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Webheads chat logs from October 7, 2001

Meet the people in the chat today

Vance Maggi Michael John Felix Sue Moral Susanne
UAE Germany Australia Pennsylvania Brazil Japan China Denmark

and new Webhead members BJB and James; and visitors to Tapped In Dianne, Phil, and Ebony

Find where everyone first joined the chat: Moral | Vance | BJB | Sue | Dianne | John | Maggi | James | Phil | Michael | Ebony | Felix | Susanne

As Webheads met, Global Learn Day was halfway through its day-long journey round the globe. Vance had given a presentation earlier which Moral had attended. As we started our meeting in Tapped In, those present drifted over to the online presentations and listened in. Dianne was interested in Help Desk portals so we asked Michael for information on TAFE when he appeared. James is interested in learning more about Webheads for his PhD studies, so he talked to John about the research he is doing and which he has nearly completed, and we looked at the YahooGroups site for statistics on the drop-off in email to When Felix arrived, we talked about his new job in the treasury of a company in Bahia. Toward the end of our chat, Ebony arrived. Ebony is a student with an assignment to complete on Tapped In and she got us talking about the subject of disrespect of unworthy teachers toward their unfortunate students. Ebony promised to send us a copy of her reflection paper for EDU 111 and if she does, we'll publish it on our website.

<Top> Click here for logs from: Vance's Email about GLD5 | Moral in ICQ during Vance's presentation | TappedIn | Susanne's email

Vance's Email about GLD5

Subject: [efiwebheads] Global Learning Day 5
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 22:41:15 +0400
From: Vance Stevens <>
To: Webheads <>

Hi everyone,

On Saturday/Sunday the 5th annual Global Learning Day conference takes off. It's a round the world virtual conference starting at midnight GMT (Sat nite, Sunday a.m.). Starting at the dateline it moves westward, calling in at all parts of the globe for the next 24 hours. Included in the program there's a presentation by me and some of my colleagues at work, at 8 a.m. GMT. It might be of interest to some of you because there are a lot of English exercises and activities in the url we're going to show <>. Then of course at noon GMT our usual online class begins, and it might be fun for us, or some of us, to see what's going on in the GLD5 chat room.

Times are GMT


- RECEIVING THE WEBCAST AUDIO: You can acquire the audio for the entire conference at
NOTE: You must have the (free) Windows Media Player.

- NEW PLATFORM FROM OPTECS: You MAY wish to view the event in a brand new platform. This takes about ten minutes to download the software, but makes for a wonderful experience. (they say in their email)

- The main web site is -

Ok, hope to see some of you tomorrow at Webheads time, and if you're free, why not surprise my colleages and I at our presentation 8 a.m. GMT, Sunday.

All the best,

<Top> Click here for logs from: Vance's Email about GLD5 | Moral in ICQ during Vance's presentation | TappedIn | Susanne's email

Moral finds Vance on ICQ during his GLD5 presentation

Moral: You haven't given speech, have you?

Vance: coming

Moral: the next one?

Vance: Moral, we're on now

Moral: got it.

Vance: moral, we are presenting now

Moral: Ok. doen't work for me. I can not see pictures and have sound. but the windows media player works well.

Vance: ok, that's my colleages speaking

Moral: ok

Vance: all done. Still there?

Moral: yes...i have been listening...only got a little.

Vance: yes. Audio quality was very poor here

Moral: That's not audio works very well here. like listening radio.

Vance: That's good. I was asked to wrap up (summarize) so I asked John why he put on GLD each year.

Moral: ok

Vance: no, I mean, that's what I did in the audio. At the end of our presentation

Moral: Oh, I got it...

Vance: They do this every year

Moral: But the cyberclassroom didn't work. service denied.

Vance: I couldn't get to it through our firewall. Had to use a dialup.

Moral: I used dialup, but still not good.

Moral: I may not join today's session...I'll date with a net girl.

Vance: a date with a net girl? Someone you met on the Internet?

Moral: Yes. A girl in Kunming who I met several days ago.

Moral: met online.

Vance: When you say you have a date with her, do you mean you are going to meet her now for the first time?

Moral: yes...i'll meet her 20:00(gmt noon) at a place.

Vance: For the first time? Never met face to face before?

Moral: yes Vance. for the very fist time. We have described how we lool like.

Vance: That's very interesting and very lovely. I hope it's someone you like.

Moral: I hope so. But it's hard.

Vance: Why is it hard?

Moral: It is hard to meet a suitable girl I like I think. because I never met her.

Vance: The internet is a good way to get to know what's underneath the person

Vance: at least you know if it's someone you might like

Moral: yes. i have met severa girls like this.

Moral: several

Vance: and what happened in the other cases?

Moral: I made friends with them...but no love so far. :)

Vance: Having friends is good too. Better than no friends. Friends can introduce you to people you might like, or love.

Moral: Yes, I think so. That's why I keep meet them. Maybe you should meet some at UAE.

Moral: meeting.

Vance: should meet (that's correct)
Well, I'm lucky that I'm happy with my wife. But I meet a lot of people online.

Moral: Just make some friends. I think it's OK. I meet a lot of people online too, around the world.

Vance: but I rarely meet people here in Abu Dhabi. I think that is possible though. I just don't go to those chat areas.

Moral: Well, I think meeting new friends makes lift interesting. So I like doing it.

Vance: If you're 'looking' of course. I'm happy and married so I don't spend time 'looking' but I think it's great if you want to meet people locally. Does it make it easier for you to meet people?

Moral: If I meet a right girl, I will pursue her for love. But if I don't, it's only meeting...

Yes, it is easy to meet people. But I haven't spent much time on it.

Vance: I mean, is it easier to contact people using Internet than it would be through traditional means?

Moral: ehhhhh...No, I think it is easier to meet people in real life, for example at work. Because you can talk to them at first. But knowing people online is more interesting.

Vance: Interesting. Yeah, nice if you can meet someone at work and then get to know them online.

Moral: Yes. It is nice too. Well time for dinner. Byr for now Vance. See you!

Vance: ok, have a nice time on your date

Moral: Thanks and bye.

<Top> Click here for logs from: Vance's Email about GLD5 | Moral in ICQ during Vance's presentation | TappedIn | Susanne's email

Tapped In chat logs

Connected to TAPPED IN on Sun Oct 7 04:52:47 2001 PDT.

VanceS teleports to the reception.

Stopped recording in VanceS's Office (#12249) at Sun Oct 7 04:53:18 2001 PDT.

Started recording in Reception (#268)[TappedIn] at Sun Oct 7 04:53:18 2001 PDT.

BJB says, "good day, Vance"

VanceS says, "Hi everyone"

VanceS [Webhead] wavesses BJB [HelpDesk], DianneA, and Sue [guest].

Sue [guest] says, "hi, vance"

VanceS says, "Hi Sue"

VanceS says, "And Hi Dianne."

DianneA says, "Hi Vance"

VanceS says, "Hi everyone. I think Lian and John are around too."

BJB says, "I'll announce, Vance..maybe that will bring them to reception"

VanceS says, "I've been at Global Learn Day 5 for the last several hours"

JohnSte has arrived.
White Book of Tarkin Ru follows JohnSte to here.

BJB asks, "I read about that..forgot it was today. How's it going?"

JohnSte says, "Hi, BJB."

VanceS says, "It's actually pretty interesting this year"

BJB says, "good morning, John"

VanceS says, "The audio is working well"

JohnSte says, "Morning, Vance."

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_116 [guest] has disconnected.

VanceS says, "morning John"

JohnSte says, "Sorry I couldn't make it to your presentation-it was 4:00 am here."

VanceS says, "To reach it you go to"

Sue has connected.

JohnSte says, "Morning, Sue."

JohnSte says, "who"

VanceS says, "That's the Global Learn Day site"

VanceS asks, "Shall I project it?"

BJB says, "thanks, it"

VanceS says, "To get the Windows Media Player going (assuming you have that) you click on "Click here to listen to the audio over the net with the Windows Media Player"

BJB says, "I wish you had given me that url earlier...sorry I missed you talk"

VanceS says, "We're now listening to Friedrick talk about elearning in Austria"

VanceS says, "I sent the information out on the Webheads list and Moral joined us for our presentation (our being our workplace)"

MargaretD arrives from nowhere.
MargaretD's personal recorder follows MargaretD to here.

BJB [HelpDesk] waves good day to Maggi

JohnSte says, "Hi, Maggi."

VanceS says, "Hi Maggi"

MargaretD exclaims, "Hi BJB!"

Sue [guest] says, "Hi Maggi"

MargaretD says, "Hi guys"

MargaretD says, "Hi Sue"

VanceS asks, "We have a guest, Dianne. Did you come for our meeting, Dianne?"

DianneA says, "Yes Vance just to watch and get a feel for what webheads is about .."

MargaretD says, "I see but in reception hard to tell"

DianneA says, "I'm trying to develop Helpdesk facility .."

VanceS says, "We seem to be different each time we meet."

MargaretD asks, "you are?"

VanceS asks, "What do you mean by a Helpdesk facility?"

DianneA projects VBIntro.

Hi, I'm Dianne Allen, staff developer, from Kiama Australia. I am interested in professional development and networks which support professional development.

DianneA says, "I am becoming more involved as an occasional Helpdesk volunteer .."

DianneA says, "guests are often interested in the language side of things .."

MargaretD says, "sounds interesting D8ianhne"

BJB . o O ( Dianne is a TAPPED IN helpdesk volunteer )

VanceS says, "Michael is active in developing what he calls a Learning Hub"

DianneA says, "and I don't know much about what goes on in Tapped In on the language side of things .."

MargaretD says, "oops Dianne"

VanceS says, "He says that Webheads is a good example of one of those -another is OTAN in California"

VanceS says, "I think Michael's and Otan are meant to be places teachers can visit to get comprehensive support materials"

MargaretD asks, "and what are we doing here?"

VanceS says, "yes of course, Tapped In as well. At Tapped In you get live support"

VanceS says, "The OTAN one is more a repository"

DianneA listens

VanceS says, "I guess Webheads is more an experimental exploration of what's feasible in free synchronous communications"

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_134 [guest] has disconnected.

JamesSi has connected.

VanceS says, "Lately we've played around with Yahoo Voice chat and (good but flopped when we trotted it out here), ..."

VanceS says, "Hi James"

JamesSi says, "Hi Vance, hi everyone"

JohnSte says, "Hi."

DianneA says, "Hi James"

VanceS says, "Today I'm listening in Windows Media Player to presentations at Global Learning Day"

JamesSi asks, "Did you give a presentation this morning, Vance?"

VanceS says, "And in a couple of weeks we become part of an online conference in computer based language learning"

VanceS says, "Hi James. Yes, I/we did. We showed"

VanceS says, "We have a learning center running on our server and we mirrored it on the Internet and hope to keep it there for anyone who can use it."

JamesSi says, "I'll take a look at that later"

VanceS says, "Global Learn Day is about midway through a 24 hour program right now"

JamesSi says, "John - Vance told me last week that you're basing your PhD on webheads"

JamesSi asks, "How's that going?"

JohnSte says, "Yep. Specifically on interviews with some of the students."

JohnSte says, "I'm in the analysis of the interviews right now."

JamesSi asks, "Have you nearly finished?"

VanceS says, "It's interesting. They're playing with an interface at"

JamesSi asks, "Any interesting results?"

VanceS [Webhead] listens to James and John

JohnSte says, "Not quite. I'm still looking at the data - sort of lost right now."

JamesSi exclaims, "Things have a great habit of making sense when you look at them closely and at length. So good luck!"

JohnSte says, "I hope to send each of the people I interviewed my results of their part for their input sometime during the next two weeks."

JohnSte says, "Thanks, James."

VanceS asks, "How many did you interview, John?"

JohnSte says, "6"

VanceS says, "That's a good number."

VanceS says, "Nice that half a dozen cooperated with you."

JohnSte says, "Yes, especially since they were members who have been active for a while."

PhilB has arrived.
R2 follows PhilB to here.

BJB [HelpDesk] waves bonjour to Phil

PhilB says, "Bonjour, y'all."

VanceS says, "I'll be very interested in pouring over your results when you release them"

JamesSi says, "It's sometimes difficult to get others to recognise the overwhelming importance of your research, John."

VanceS asks, "Bonjour Phil, ca va?"

JamesSi says, "Hi Phil"

JohnSte says, "I hope to release them by the end of next month."

JohnSte says, "Hi, Phil"

PhilB asks, "Not bad, what bout y'all?"

VanceS exclaims, "That's really great John, what a contribution!"

JohnSte says, "Falling asleep."

DianneA fine

DianneA says, "but now that John's mentioned it .. zzzz"

MargaretD says, "Hi Phil"

PhilB [WebTeach] should be marking papers, but this is more fun.

JohnSte says, "I haven't been up this early in a while."

JamesSi says, "A touch of good old English flu here"

VanceS asks, "Are you in UK James?"

JamesSi says, "Yes Vance"

PhilB asks, "G'day, Margaret, what's new in the wild, wolly, wonderful web?"

MargaretD says, "he was last time"

JamesSi exclaims, "still here Margaret!"

MargaretD says, "lol"

MargaretD says, "not much..ask Vance Phil"

PhilB [WebTeach] looks pointedly at big V.

JamesSi asks, "big V??"

DianneA . o O ( still reading??!! that's what happens with research results .. )

VanceS says, "James also joined Webheads. James, you have to send us an intro so I don't forget"

VanceS [Webhead] while typing becomes aware of a glare coming from somewhere

JamesSi asks, "Yes, I will send one Vnace. By email to webheads?"

VanceS asks, "You want to know how's the world wild web?"

PhilB [WebTeach] gets out the arc lamps. "Ve haf vays off meking jiou tok!"

VanceS says, "Well, since you asked ..."

VanceS says, "How come you're not at Global Learn Day, Phil. Right up your alley."

VanceS says, ""

MargaretD says, "commercialism maybe"

PhilB [WebTeach] has too many projects going right now to get sidetracked. "But I'll look."

PhilB asks, "Listening now, are you?"

VanceS says, "I have no commercial interest in GLD but I am interested in their program this year for the development they've made over the past 5"

VanceS says, "and yes, I'm listening"

MargaretD asks, "towho?"

VanceS says, "let's see, where are they in the program ..."

VanceS says, "trying to figure that out .."

PhilB asks, "Who's talkin now?"

MargaretD says, "not me"

PhilB says, "Friedrich Scheuermann"

PhilB asks, "?"

VanceS says, "No, Freidrich spoke earlier. He has a thick Austrian accent."

VanceS asks, "Chris Zeilinski maybe?"

MargaretD asks, "how could you tell it was Austrian?"

VanceS says, "Well, making no spurious assumptions, I took it from him when he said he was from Austria"

PhilB [WebTeach] is trying to load the audio & the chat page

VanceS says, "I was on the cyberclassrooms site earlier but the audio was so inferior I've switched to Windows Media Player"

PhilB exclaims, "Got it!"

PhilB says, "community radio... huge potential..."

VanceS says, "So, Dianne, this is pretty typical of Webheads"

DianneA asks, "multitasking?"

MargaretD says, "no students"

Michael_C has connected.

VanceS says, "We meet here and filter off to other places. Phil and John are both at right now"

MargaretD says, "Hi MC"

JohnSte says, "Sue left - she was sleepy and tired."

PhilB [WebTeach] nods

JamesSi asks, "Where are the students today, I wonder?"

Michael_C [guest] says, "Good day all."

VanceS exclaims, "And here's Michael !! Learning Hub Man!"

PhilB says, "I'll admit, it is interesting to be able to listen over the web."

JamesSi says, "Hi Michael"

JohnSte says, "Sue was here earlier."

Michael_C [guest] asks, "Learning Hub man?"

VanceS [Webhead] was wondering where Sue was - she's not at Yahoo

MargaretD says, "John said she was tired"

JohnSte says, "She told me she had been walking all day and was going to bed."

VanceS exclaims, "Yes! LHM!!! SuperLHM!"

Michael_C [guest] says, "still puzzled....."

VanceS asks, "Was she worried about something?"

JohnSte says, "No, just tired. Didn't tell me why she was walking."

JohnSte says, "We were on MSMessenger for a while."

VanceS says, "No puzzle Michael. Dianne is developing a HelpDesk facility and I mentioned your work with learning hubs"

Michael_C [guest] says, "OK - now I get it."

Michael_C [guest] asks, "James and Dianne -are you Tapped In regulars?"

DianneA says, "Dianne is trying to develop her facility with Helpdesk skills and knowledge .."

Michael_C [guest] .asses in technical enquiries?

DianneA says, "and learning about webhead is a bit of that .."

BJB . o O ( I just got an email from Susaanne. She's having connection problems but sends you all a message )

----------------------------------- BJB -----------------------------------
please say Hi to all those fuzzy Webheads.
---------------------------- BJB stops pasting ----------------------------

VanceS says, "We have to say HI to SUZANNE"

VanceS says, "Sorry SUSSSSSANNNE"

VanceS says, "(no z's in Susanne)"

JohnSte says, "Hi, Suzanne - sorry you can't be here right now."

DianneA [to Michael]: "I'm trying to get to know what activities Tapped IN offers to advise ande refer interested guests who make connections with Tapped In"

Michael_C [guest] says, "And I gather the range of activities here is growing."

DianneA says, "yes it is"

VanceS asks, "What discipline are you interested in Dianne?"

Michael_C [guest] says, "I'll get myself an office here one another less busy life."

DianneA says, "I've been involved with TappedIn on and off since March .."

JamesSi says, "Sorry Michael - I was having a look at the global learning site. I'm becoming a tapped in Sunday lunchtime regular, yes."

IlhoS has connected.

DianneA says, "my interest is general professional development"

Michael_C [guest] asks, "How's the GLD site looking?"

DianneA says, "my icon has more info if you are interested, click on it .."

BJB says, "Hi, Ilho"

BJB says, "welcome to TAPPED IN"

BJB [to IlhoS]: "are you here to join the WebHeads discussion?"

Michael_C [guest] asks, "And you're from Oz Dianne???"

DianneA says, "yes and 10.30pm here past my bed time"

VanceS says, "Hi Ilho"

Michael_C [guest] says, "My official role is PD officer for TAFE SA Online Education."

Michael_C [guest] says, "The Intenet never sleeps....."

VanceS asks, "What's a url for that Michael?"

JamesSi says, "The global learning stuff looks very good, but I cant get audio on this machine unfortunately, Michael"

DianneA says, "Michael I have some more info on some more notes if you are interested .."

You hear a quiet popping sound; PhilB [WebTeach] has lost his link.

Michael_C [guest] says, "Well there isn't one precisely Vance - but TAFE SA home is (hang on)..."

Michael_C [guest] says, "Dianne - i'd would be interested to read anything about PD - with online focus especially."

Ebony has connected.

DianneA says, "Hi Ebony"

Ebony [guest] says, "Hi"

JohnSte says, "Hi, Ebony."

VanceS asks, "when you say professional development, what discipline(s) do you focus on?"

Ebony [guest] asks, "How is everyone this morning?"

VanceS says, "Hi Ebony"

VanceS asks, "fine here, busy, tired, the usual, yourself?"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "If you mean me Vance - all disciplines - jack of all trades!"

DianneA projects Intro.


I am Dianne Allen, an M.Ed. (Hons) = (research & thesis) student at the University of Wollongong, south of Sydney, Australia. I am exploring an intervention process to help develop a peer support group engaging in collaborative action learning about how to improve practice. I'm currently engaging in electronic networks, to know what they might do, and how, to support the development of a relatively small, far flung network of practitioners. My prior experience includes teaching high school science, managing a public library service, and policy development for personnel practices in local government, including staff and management training, strategic planning and process review.

VanceS asks, "No, meant Dianne. So you focus on Science? Or secondary level?"

Ebony [guest] asks, "How do I get to the writing for webheads seminar?"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "Vance - Dianne needs Groove!"

VanceS asks, "Like Michael, jack of all trades, Library support?"

VanceS says, "Groove is groovy, but we just didn't get it grooving here"

JohnSte says, "You're there, Ebony."

DianneA says, "My design for action learning is generic I think"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "No - and I don't want to ttry today!"

Ebony [guest] says, "Oh it is taking place right here?>"

JohnSte says, "Yes."

VanceS says, "I've been clicking on people's icons, and now I recall James is from Reading"

Ebony [guest] says, "Oh i am trying t do something for school so I have to write about what the seminar is about"

JohnSte asks, "Where are you from, Ebony?"

Ebony [guest] says, "Maryland"

VanceS asks, "Good one, Ebony. What kind of school?"

MargaretD says, "it isn't really a seminar per se"

Ebony [guest] says, "Anne Arundle Community College"

JohnSte asks, "Did the tornado the other day do much damage to you?"

DianneA asks, "So what is it Margaret?"

VanceS says, "Maggi has a point. It's a bit more freewheeling than most seminars."

MargaretD says, "we meet here every Sunday"

DianneA listens

VanceS says, "We never have a topic to start with, but we always evolve one."

Ebony [guest] says, "The tornado? No. Well my brother didn't have school"

JohnSte says, "And talk about almost anything."

Michael_C [guest] says, "V - the URL for the boring TAFE site is"

JamesSi exclaims, "And it looks as if you've provided the topic, Ebony!"

JohnSte asks, "What about the interesting site, Michael?"

VanceS [Webhead] writes Michael's boring url in a thick ledger he keeps on his desk

Michael_C [guest] says, "There it is John...."

MargaretD says, "it was a source of practice in English for the students who could come"

Ebony [guest] asks, "I did?"

VanceS says, "Funny thing, last week, Moral and Lian proposed a topic for this week."

You hear a quiet popping sound; IlhoS has disconnected.

JamesSi asks, "yes, the tornado (what tornado?"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "We have a lot of online stuff goling on but the websute is basdly out of date - no one's got the time to update it!"

Ebony [guest] says, "There was a tornado at the University of Maryland college park"

Michael_C [guest] says, "And our training stuff is at"

DianneA shows ProjIs to Michael_C [guest].

VanceS says, "Yes, Ebony got us talking about what we are doing here, and Moral and Lian wanted to find out Why people come to webheads each week."

Ebony [guest] says, "Actually it was in most of Maryland but a building was knocked down and two people were killed"

VanceS says, "They suggested (in Yahoo voice chat) that they thought we should have topics."

JohnSte says, "I've heard that from others, too."

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "I agree!"

VanceS says, "I said that anyone could suggest one (just hard to keep people on topics - we've been doin this 3 years, and know)"

JamesSi says, "The trouble with topics is that you can't get people to stick with them"

Ebony [guest] says, "The governor declared it a disaster area"

VanceS says, "I said, anyone can propose a topic, so they came up with that one"

Michael_C [guest] says, "Maybe every second week or something - you gotta have a moderator person."

JamesSi asks, "What did you say once Vance? Getting people to do what they're told on Webheads is like hearding cats?"

VanceS says, "But they never proposed it. Lian might be around here somewhere, but I happen to know that Moral has a date tonight and won't be here."

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "Lucky Moral!"

VanceS says, "Exactly, and i have a great video to back that up."

DianneA asks, "so when you get together you update one another on things of interest on the web?"

VanceS says, "someone he met on the Internet"

JamesSi says, "Lucky man"

Michael_C [guest] says, "Yes Dianne - or jujst talk personal stuff, current afairs..."

VanceS says, "Well, we keep each other current, week after week, to the point where we have by now arrived here and sometimes we branch out from here."

JohnSte asks, "Ebony, you said this was for a class. What class is it?"

VanceS says, "We used to meet at the Palace, but that's gone defunct, and now Tapped In is the best imho"

Ebony [guest] says, "I have a topic....Disrespect....there is something about it and teachers that really bothers me"

VanceS says, "the best base"

JamesSi says, "I like tapped in a lot as well"

Ebony [guest] says, "Education 111...Foundations/Fundamentals of Educations"

JohnSte asks, "You mean teachers being disrespectful?"

VanceS asks, "disrespect? Ok, what aspect of direspect bothers you?"

Ebony [guest] says, "OKay I will set up the scenerio"

JamesSi says, "web-based learning is rewriting the book on learning and education..."

JamesSi [Webhead] ..s in particular collaborative learning.

Ebony [guest] says, "Last year I was a senior in High School......If I were to disrespect an adult, I would be in the wrong. Even if the adult was out of line in what they did"

JamesSi says, "And traditional patterns of teacher authority are out of the window in a web environment"

Michael_C [guest] says, "Unfortunately many schools are like that Ebony"

MargaretD says, "you need to respect in order to get respect"

Michael_C [guest] says, "Schools are all about authority."

Michael_C [guest] says, "And that, as James said, is one wonderful thing about the web - all are equal."

Ebony [guest] says, "I wasa in the bathroom one day....and my high school has a problem with smoking, so this teacher came into the stall while I was dflushing it and told me to get out because she thought I was can smell smoke in the air"

DianneA says, "agree with Margaret and that includes teachers getting students' respect .."

JohnSte says, "I have seldom had a student be disrespectful to me."

MargaretD says, "me either"

Ebony [guest] says, "I wasn't....I don't smoke"

VanceS asks, "but your problem is the teacher was disrespectful of you?"

Michael_C [guest] says, "You must have had different students to me John (ever teach 12-14 yr olds???)"

JamesSi asks, "the teacher just assumed you were in the wrong, Ebony?"

JohnSte says, "Once, that's why I went into higher education."

MargaretD says, "peoplejump to conclusions Ebony"

Ebony [guest] says, "Yes so of course I caught an attitude....not trying to be smart....but because I felt violated and thought was rude"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "Exactly!"

Ebony [guest] says, "So I got smark"

Ebony [guest] says, "I mean smart"

JohnSte says, "But I teach in an area where students are taught to be respectful."

Michael_C [guest] asks, "smacked?"

JamesSi asks, "Where is that, John?"

JohnSte says, "Puerto Rico."

VanceS asks, "smart with the teacher, meaning you back-talked the teacher, and then got in trouble?"

JohnSte says, "At the moment, however, I am in Pennsylvania (on sabbatical)."

MargaretD says, "I havn't any difficulty with any age group"

Ebony [guest] asks, "Yea, but should teachers be taught manners?"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "Yes!"

JohnSte says, "They should, yes."

Ebony [guest] asks, "And when can be out of line?"

VanceS says, "you have to earn respect (with respect)"

JamesSi says, "I used to have a few probs with teenagers in Greece and with Aramco apprentices in Saudi..."

DianneA asks, "are you training to be a teacher Ebony?"

Ebony [guest] says, "yes"

Ebony [guest] says, "high school also"

JamesSi says, "but everything people are saying about respecting your students..."

JohnSte says, "Maybe the reason they are not disrespectful to me is that I always try to treat them as equals."

JamesSi says, "is absolutely right"

Ebony [guest] says, "I think it iss different cultural wise"

Michael_C [guest] says, "That's a great start John."

Ebony [guest] says, "as well"

Ebony [guest] says, "Thats very true John"

MargaretD says, "I agreee woith Joh"

DianneA says, "then one of the important lessons you have learned from your scenario is how you coudl offend a student, and destroy their respect of you .."

Ebony [guest] says, "Very true"

MargaretD says, "culture comes into it as well Ebony"

Ebony [guest] says, "I was just wondering if some teachers think about it or not...i mean when learning about education it is so much more different"

Ebony [guest] says, "And maybe it is also being out of High school"

DianneA asks, "the next question for you is how would you deal with a student in the same scenario which would be resepcetful and following school rrules about not smoking in toilets ..?"

MargaretD says, "age comes into it"

Michael_C [guest] says, "In my experience there arte a lot of teachers who don't really want to be te4achers - they just do it for a job."

Ebony [guest] says, "There is so much freedom and things that could have happened in High School, teachers sometimes don't trust teenagers....i looked at how peopel treated me five months ago and now"

VanceS says, "language teachers certainly learn about respect, respect for other cultures and attitudes, moreso than teachers in some fields perhaps"

MargaretD says, "too true"

Michael_C [guest] .ands these people are not happy teaching.,..they don't even likke kids very much.

MargaretD says, "Ebony has a point"

Ebony [guest] says, "I think I would get an adminstrator and have the child search because you have to report smoking students"

MargaretD says, "my son complains about it too"

Ebony [guest] says, "but I wouldn't jumped to conclusions when there wasn't any evidence"

MargaretD says, "teens are not trusted"

MargaretD says, "they know it and it bothers them"

DianneA asks, "Does any one else have a suggestion about how they would have dealt with the scenario Ebony gave us?"

JamesSi says, "Right everyone, I have to go. Sorry to leave this interesting discussion. And good luck with the paper, ebony"

JamesSi exclaims, "And with the thesis, John!"

BJB [HelpDesk] waves bye to James

JohnSte says, "So long James, and thanks."

MargaretD says, "byeJames"

You hear a quiet popping sound; JamesSi [Webhead] has disconnected.

VanceS says, "bye James"

Ebony [guest] says, "I hate that fact to because our city wants our [the teens] trust, however ever rule they [the city] makes, limits what we can do"

Ebony [guest] says, "bye james"

JohnSte says, "I'm trying to remember what it was like when I was a teenager - but it was so long ago. . ."

BJB [HelpDesk] thinks this problem repeats every generation

MargaretD says, "they kind of make you yearn to be an adult and do the same, don't they"

BJB [HelpDesk] grins at John, the rebel teen

VanceS says, "It will be in our chat logs. I'll send a copy of my logs from TI"

Ebony [guest] says, "yea...but the biggest problem in the fifties were things like chewing gum and smoking"

BJB says, "thanks, Vance"

Michael_C [guest] says, "In the situation EDbony described I thnk I would 'ploitely' ignore the teacher."

Michael_C [guest] says, "I mean politely"

Ebony [guest] says, "now iit is smoking, drugs, sex, poverty, food, learning disabilities, single family homes"

BJB asks, "anyone remember duck and cover drills?"

JohnSte says, "You're right, Ebony, but I was also in the early sixties - and that included drugs, too."

DianneA asks, "I was asking: as a teacher how would you have handled the situation?"

JohnSte says, "I do."

Michael_C [guest] says, "Oh..."

MargaretD says, "the teacher had no business invading the privacy of a stall"

Ebony [guest] says, "Well I definetly would not harrass the student"

Michael_C [guest] says, "If i were the teacher i would simply ask " have you been smoking?" or ignore it all together."

Ebony [guest] says, "Apoligie if I have done anything offensive"

JohnSte says, "I sometimes think I learned the most from teachers who taught me how NOT to teach."

Michael_C [guest] asks, "Oh - the teacher pusjed their way into the stall?"

Ebony [guest] says, "Apoligize"

Ebony [guest] says, "Yea me too"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "If the t did that that it unforgivable!"

VanceS says, "I would get down on smoking in a public place as just an uncool thing to do but not make it a big deal for the student relatively"

Ebony [guest] says, "I was finished using it but it is the principal behind it"

JohnSte says, "I remember one time shortly after I quit smoking, I dry shaved and the wiskers in the sink looked like ashes. So my wife accused me a smoking."

MargaretD says, "It is not anyone's business if a person smokes along as they are not infringing on anothers rights to be smoke free"

DianneA says, "And the dilemma for the teacher is having two values to juggle: school rules and respecting another's privacy .."

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "Yes Dianne!"

JohnSte says, "Zero tolerance - that's what it is."

DianneA says, "the same dilemma exists for the police force in investigating alleged criminality .."

Ebony [guest] says, "yea"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "I used to get into trouble when I was a schoolteacher for NOT enforcing the rules!"

JohnSte says, "takes away the teacher's right to think for him/herself."

DianneA says, "how far do you go infringing privacy"

Ebony [guest] says, "I wish I had everyone's email I would love to send you my reflection paper we have to do for EDU 111"

Michael_C [guest] says, "I thnk you can explain to the student that there are 'community rules'...."

Ebony [guest] says, "yea"

JohnSte says, "well, mine is"

Ebony [guest] asks, "How do I got about getting sponsorships?"

JohnSte asks, "What do you mean, Ebony?"

MargaretD says, "mine is"

Michael_C [guest] says, " (luv your email address Maggi!)"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "Mad English!"

Ebony [guest] says, "so I can become a member"

DianneA . o O ( dogs and .. and noon day sun .. )

MargaretD says, "well, may as well use my initials"

DianneA says, "you may not need sponsorship Ebony"

Michael_C [guest] says, "Cexpt Maggi's not a Brit."

JohnSte says, "Maggi, it has become worse since last night - now it is 1C with a hard freeze alert for tonight."

DianneA says, "all you may need to do is submit to join Tapped In it is free"

MargaretD says, "temp has dropped here too but not that drastic John"

Ebony [guest] says, "But I thought it was for teachers only"

Ebony [guest] says, "students needed a sponsorship"

VanceS says, "if you sent it to I'll post it on our website. But don't send it by attachment. Paste the text in an email."

DianneA says, "student teachers may be able to join freely .."

DianneA says, "high school and elementary studnets need sponsors"

DianneA asks, "BJ? you there?"

VanceS asks, "why don't you get your teacher to sponsor you, the one who assigned your paper?"

MargaretD says, "time to get out the"

Ebony [guest] says, "ok"

VanceS [Webhead] was responding to an email from Susanne

JohnSte says, "Felix is online - said he might be joining us."

VanceS says, "Good. Felix is from Brazil."

VanceS says, "If you want to see who you're talking to Ebony, I'll give you our web page."

VanceS says, ""

Ebony [guest] says, "ok"

DianneA says, "my email address is"

VanceS says, "our pictures are there"

BJB says, "oops...I'm here, Dianne"

VanceS says, "actually if you go to you can find names with the pictures"

DianneA asks, "Can Ebony join without a sponsor?"

Ebony [guest] says, "mine is"

BJB . o O ( the curse of multitasking! )

BJB asks, "Are you a college student, Ebony?"

Ebony [guest] says, "Yea"

VanceS says, "You'll see our emails and you can visit our websites, find out more about us."

Ebony [guest] says, "OOps....I mean yes"

Ebony [guest] says, "ok"

BJB says, "you can use any of us as sponsors...I'm BJ Berquist and my email is"

JohnSte says, "I thought it was Yep."

VanceS says, "btw BJ if you want to get webheads announcments send a blank email to"

VanceS says, "We don't generate that much mail"

BJB says, "thanks, Vance"

JohnSte says, "Almost none, in fact."

Michael_C [guest] says, "Used to be lots..."

VanceS says, "I shall produce some statistics"

Michael_C [guest] says, "smiles.."

Ebony [guest] )

JohnSte asks, "statistics? from a language teacher?"

Ebony [guest] says, "( smiles)"

VanceS [Webhead] produces statistics <grind> <grind>

Michael_C [guest] says, "LOL"

Michael_C [guest] says, "can hear the number crunching..."

DianneA says, "Ebony to smile in Tapped In you type :smiles"

DianneA says, "or :smiles :-)"

VanceS [Webhead] crunches number, looks for more numbers to crunch ...

Michael_C [guest] smiles"

DianneA nods

Michael_C [guest] says, "(I wanted to know that too)"

Ebony [guest] asks, "oh liek this?"

Ebony [guest] -)

DianneA your' welcome :-)

VanceS says, "what I'm doing is visiting the yahoogroups site for the stats"

Ebony [guest] smiles

Michael_C [guest] says, "I wanna try that again...."

Ebony [guest] exclaims, "OKAY! I got it!"

Michael_C [guest] smiles

DianneA exclaims, "if you use the : for the 'emote' then you have to remember to leave a space before the colon of the smile!"

BJB [HelpDesk] cheers for Michael

Michael_C [guest] bows

Felix has connected.

DianneA bows to Ebony & Micahel - good studnets!!

BJB [HelpDesk] waves hi to Felix

Ebony [guest] smiles like a dork

Michael_C [guest] blushes

MargaretD says, "<i Felix"

Felix [guest] says, "Hi there"

DianneA :-)

VanceS asks, "are you ready?"

JohnSte says, "Hi, Felix, glad you could make it."

Ebony [guest] asks, "Do you know who Professor Gross is?"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "Hi there Felix!!!!"

Felix [guest] asks, "Why are you blushing MC?"

Ebony [guest] says, "Hi Felix"

VanceS says, "Hi Felix, just in time for a number crunching experience"

BJB [to Ebony [guest]]: "she's JenniferG here"

Michael_C [guest] says, "I was complimented just before you came in."

Felix [guest] asks, "What is crunching?"

Ebony [guest] says, "Yea that is my EDU professor"

BJB says, " Ebony..not her"

Michael_C [guest] says, "Well actually I have a crush on you Felix"

VanceS says, "We peaked in June 1999 with 174 messages that month"

BJB . o O ( I think she's jennifergr )

BJB [HelpDesk] can list her as your sponsor, too

MargaretD says, "when you eat carrots Felix"

Michael_C [guest] says, "peaked in June 1999."

VanceS says, "In Jan 2001, 114 messages; Feb, 141 msgs, March 100"

JohnSte says, "Or even worse than carrots --- Numbers."

Felix [guest] asks, "got it Mad... But what's up?"

MargaretD says, "doc"

VanceS says, "tapering off to 82, 60, 43 messages last 3 months of 2000"

Michael_C [guest] smiles again

VanceS says, "I meant 2000 back there, not 2001"

JohnSte says, "Vance is crunching statistics."

Felix [guest] asks, "what for?"

DianneA says, "OK folks, definitely my bedtime - must go, ciao"

BJB [to VanceS]: "perhaps you have too many options for communicating and everyone is overwhelmed"

Felix [guest] says, "change Felix"

VanceS says, "in 2001, figures of messages per month are 55, 42, 40, 41, 55 ..."

BJB [HelpDesk] hugs Dianne goodnight

Michael_C [guest] says, "Nice to meet you Dianne."

JohnSte says, "BJB, the way you say not her makes me thing something bad."

JohnSte says, "See you Dianne. Have a nice week."

VanceS says, "23, 23, 34, 22, in the last 4 months"

VanceS says, "ok, Dianne, nice to meet you"

JohnSte says, "Less than one a day."

BJB [to John]: "sorry, I id'd JenniferG and it's not Jennifer Gross...Jennifer Gross' membername is JenniferGr"

DianneA says, "Thanks all for the company .."

You hear a quiet popping sound; DianneA has disconnected.

BJB says, "I too have to leave and go make breakfast for hubbyu"

BJB . o O ( hubby )

BJB [HelpDesk] waves bye...I'll lurk

VanceS says, "lucky hubby"

JohnSte says, "OK. See you, BJ."

BJB looks away.

Ebony [guest] says, "bye BJ"

JohnSte says, "IK had to make my own breakfast today."

Ebony [guest] wave

Michael_C [guest] says, "Well I might bale out as well (I make my own breakfast every day!)"

Felix [guest] asks, "Can i have breakfast with you too BJB?"

JohnSte says, "Well, so do I since I am by myself here - but I usually don't get up before noon."

Michael_C [guest] asks, "Before i go Felix - is everything OK with you?"

JohnSte says, "so I don't have breakfast."

Felix [guest] says, "Yes MC. Everything is fine. I've got a new job now. No lover yet :o))"

Ebony [guest] says, "everyone thank you very much.....I will email you my paper....I need to get ready fun"

Michael_C [guest] asks, "You want both???"

JohnSte asks, "New job?"

Michael_C [guest] asks, "Yeh waht job?"

JohnSte says, "You're welcome, Ebony."

VanceS asks, "fun fun?? can we come along?"

Michael_C [guest] waves goodbye to Ebony

VanceS [Webhead] waves

JohnSte says, "Have fun, Ebony."

Felix [guest] says, "wroking in the Thresuary of a company"

JohnSte asks, "So you left teaching?"

Michael_C [guest] says, "more money business"

Ebony [guest] says, "thanks bye"

VanceS says, "the treasury, where all the money is <grin>"

Felix [guest] says, ""

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_153 [guest] has disconnected.

Felix [guest] says, "right MC!!! Although teaching is in my blood."

VanceS asks, "that's throwing the fox in with the chickens, isn't it?"

Felix [guest] says, "but not in my wallet :o)))"

Felix [guest] exclaims, "didnt get your saying Vance!"

Felix [guest] asks, "Something Mad helps me a lot with English doubts, right Mad?"

Felix [guest] says, "sometimes hehehe"

VanceS says, "you are working where the money is"

VanceS says, "so the fox (you) is going in where they keep the chickens"

Felix [guest] says, "Exactly Vance.. But that's not that good. TOns of money run on my hands but I can't own it.. LOL"

VanceS says, "the fox always finds a way"

Michael_C [guest] says, "Well I'm glad you're OK Felix...I'd better go."

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "Goodnight from me!"

JohnSte says, "See you, Michael. Have a nice week."

Felix [guest] says, "Nice to see you again MC"

Michael_C [guest] says, "Ciao."

VanceS [Webhead] waves to MC

Felix [guest] says, "See you MC,. Have a nice week"

Felix [guest] says, "Ciao"

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_63 [guest] has disconnected.

Felix [guest] says, "Tchau (Brasilian way)"

Felix [guest] says, "I need to go to the supermarket soon."

Felix [guest] says, "That means, spend money. LOL"

JohnSte says, "So do I, but after it warms up a little."

JohnSte says, "It's up to 4C now."

MargaretD says, "ah that explains why someone I know writes ciao that way"

Felix [guest] asks, "Vance, are you coming to Brazil this summer?"

Felix [guest] says, "Living and learning Mad"

Felix [guest] says, "It' 35 C in Brazil now."

MargaretD says, "he was in Brazil Felic"

VanceS says, "not sure, we're waiting for the international situation to fall out"

Felix [guest] says, "I see"

JohnSte says, "How are things over there right now,"

JohnSte says, "Vance,"

VanceS says, "Ok here. A bomb went off in Saudi Arabia earlier today."

JohnSte [Webhead] think Maybe someday I'll get used to this keyboard.

Felix [guest] says, "It's senseless with way ppl kill each other"

Felix [guest] says, "It's senseless the way ppl kill each other"

MargaretD says, "sure is"

JohnSte says, "Yes, it is, Felix. Killing won't bring back the dead."

VanceS says, "you can say that again"

Felix [guest] asks, "what do you mean Vance?"

VanceS says, "here's a good page showing Felix's workplace:"

JohnSte asks, "Does it show the money?"

VanceS says, "It's kind of a joke. You can say that again is a form of agreement."

MargaretD says, "you casn't kill people twice Felix"

VanceS says, "When you say something twice (accidentally) and I say you can say that again, it's a joke"

VanceS [Webhead] wonders why no one is laughing ??

JohnSte [Webhead] think Too sleepy to laugh.

Felix [guest] exclaims, "I got it now!"

Felix [guest] says, "PPl.. got go before the supermarket closes"

JohnSte says, "OK, see ya, Felix."

Felix [guest] says, "Nice to see you all"

VanceS says, "so first we have to see if we'll be here next summer, and if so, if it's safe to travel - and actually, brazil could be a safe destination"

MargaretD exclaims, "ok..happy shopping!"

VanceS says, "ok, felix, we'll keep in touch"

Felix [guest] says, "Hide in my place ppl"

Felix [guest] says, "bye for now"

MargaretD says, "ciao"

VanceS says, "enjoy life"

Felix [guest] says, "Tchau"

MargaretD says, "beijos"

You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_66 [guest] has disconnected.

VanceS says, "just us"

JohnSte says, "I think I'll be going back to bed for another hour."

VanceS says, "Yeah, if you're used to sleeping till noon ..."

JohnSte says, "I got to bed at 2:00 this morning, and got up at 6:00 to get ready for class."

JohnSte says, "I usually get to bed at 4:00 - I study all night."

MargaretD says, "you beat me then"

VanceS says, "bet you're enjoying just going back to bed .. I know the feeling. I'm that way when I'm along. In bed late, up early"

VanceS says, "alone, I meant"

JohnSte says, "That way there is no noise to disturb me."

JohnSte says, "So I guess I'll be seeing you all later."

MargaretD says, "bye John"

MargaretD says, "adios"

JohnSte says, "Bye all."

VanceS says, "ok John, till later"

You hear a quiet popping sound; JohnSte [Webhead] has disconnected.

VanceS says, "I'm going to pop out too"

MargaretD says, "ok bye"

VanceS says, "see you then, bye"

You hear a quiet popping sound; VanceS [Webhead] has disconnected.

Disconnected from TAPPED IN on Sun Oct 7 06:50:55 2001 PDT.

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Susanne can't reach us, sends email

dear BJ and Vance

Once more I have no access to Tapped In. What a mess! Therefore I cannot even retrack the address to the Sonexis learning tool we' tried to test last Sunday - how sloppy can one be?

Please tell me in case you can give me a hint (I know that they mailed something for my students in this class, you and Vance - but my own mail programme has gone bananas and deleted all older incoming messages, maybe from the server provider.)

In the meantime I will try how else I may reach some of you. Please say Hi to all those fuzzy Webheads.

Good Sunday

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