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Webheads chat logs from May 27, 2001

Meet the people in the chat today

Vance Maggi Michael John Ying Lan Arif Juani
UAE Germany Australia Puerto Rico Taiwan Turkey Chile

Arif's students Habibe, Nilgun, Zeynep, Hacer, Demet, Gonul, Neslihan, Emel, Turkan, Esra, Dilek, and Kadriye; and ShakiFanatico™, who happened to be in the Palace

A lot went on in the chat this Sunday evening. We started early with Rif in Turkey gathering his education students together in his office for their first online session with Webheads. Rif got in touch in ICQ but soon moved to Homestead. John and Maggi arrived and we all went to Tapped In for convenience in keeping logs. Rif's students were very interested in our method of teaching, and they took turns asking questions from Rif's laptop. They sent pictures, and we showed them GroupBoard, and Rif tried downloading and installing the Palace, but in the end couldn't connect to one. Ying Lan had by then joined us in Tapped In, but Rif had to log off just as Michael appeared, soYing Lan showed us a video of an author speaking about his new book, The Invisible Continent (about the Internet). We all had to go a little earlier than usual, which is a shame, because according to the time stamps on all the messages, Juani came to see us just minutes after we had logged off. She did manage to catch Rif somewhere in cyberspace though, and find out what she had missed.

The mystery tonight is: read the logs and find the joke that Ying Lan told. Once you've read the joke, tell us, was it funny? Ying Lan wants to know!

Click here for logs from: Rif in ICQ | Homestead | Tapped In | Groupboard | Palace | Ying Lan in ICQ | Juani in Yahoo! | Follow-up ICQ from Rif | The students' questions

Rif appears on ICQ

rif: (2:20 PM) Hi Vance I was just checkýng the connections here

Vance: (2:20 PM) Yep, just fine. When do your class come on?

rif: (2:21 PM) they just started to stop in my room, but we have a big problem

rif: (2:21 PM) :-)

rif: (2:22 PM) our network connections at school is down unfortunately. I connected to the Internet with a modem in my roomç

Vance: (2:22 PM) Do you usually meet on Sunday? And are they there now then?

rif: (2:23 PM) so I will try to set up the equipment here in my room to be able to talk with you now

rif: (2:24 PM) we usually do not meet on Sundays. It is holiday, they were coming for this event to experience. Most of them did not use the internet before, and some did but did not talk with someone over the internet.

rif: (2:24 PM) I wanted them to see the language in a functional way, but I sure they will join you from now on

Vance: (2:27 PM) Well we can have some fun all together

rif: (2:27 PM) yep, r u in the chatroom now

Vance: (2:27 PM) I'm in Homestead

rif: (2:28 PM) I am opening it now.

Vance: (2:28 PM) I can go to GroupBoard, Tapped In, and the Palace, and we could try the voice chat ...

Vance: (2:29 PM) How many can you do at once? Is it just your one computer?

rif: (2:29 PM) let's try it. What is the full address path for the Palace

rif: (2:29 PM) yes, only one machine, and it is a laptop

Vance: (2:29 PM) Have you got the Palace client?

rif: (2:29 PM) unfortunaletly not, I will need to install it

Vance: (2:30 PM) To get the Palace client, you go to any webheads page and click on Palaces at the top

rif: (2:30 PM) ok

Vance: (2:30 PM) That will take you to specifically the url for the Palace browser

Vance: (2:32 PM) Have you found it? for example

Vance: (2:33 PM) Links to

Vance: (2:33 PM) That's where the browser is.

rif: (2:33 PM) I am there now, following the link Palace

rif: (2:34 PM) it is about 2 MB

Vance: (2:34 PM) Well, you can use the link in this message above now that I've dug it out.

rif: (2:34 PM) yes, it already started

Vance: (2:34 PM) yes. 1.9 mb

Vance: (2:35 PM) Ok, so you can install that. Are your students there now? How many?

rif: (2:35 PM) we are about 6 now, but in 30 minutes I am expecting about 10 more

Vance: (2:36 PM) At your office or home?

rif: (2:36 PM) at my ofiice

rif: (2:36 PM) it does not install ... returnes null values

Vance: (2:37 PM) I'm in my office. I'm finding a picture. Doesn't install? Are you using a pc?

rif: (2:37 PM) sorry, does not download

Vance: (2:38 PM) At that link there are several sites, and also there is a 16 bit version

rif: (2:38 PM) 16 bit would not work with win 98 I believe

rif: (2:39 PM) how about excite chat

Vance: (2:40 PM) Odd that it won't download. It's also available from twocows if you want to try there. Excite stopped working May 1, right before my plenary May 5th of course :-)

rif: (2:40 PM) do you have the installation file somewhere to send via ICQ

Vance: (2:40 PM) If you want to try voice chat we can go for telcopoint or Yahoo. Let's see what telcopoint is doing today.

Vance: (2:41 PM) Yes, I can do that. I'll start the file transfer.

We move to Homestead while Vance starts sending the Palace installation file to Rif ...

Click here for logs from: Rif in ICQ | Homestead | Tapped In | Groupboard | Palace | Ying Lan in ICQ | Juani in Yahoo! | Follow-up ICQ from Rif | The students' questions

Homestead logs

Connecting to chat server...

Connected and signed in.

You have joined the chat room as Anonymous4171.

Members of room: Anonymous4171

You have changed your name to Vance.

<Vance> logged on at 10:14 GMT

I went early and made note of the time. After 15 min, Rif showed up ...

Anonymous4245 has joined the chat room.

Anonymous4245 is now known as arif.

<Vance> Hi do you want to talk here or in ICQ

<arif> I will keep this open, this might be better place to talk I guess

<Vance> ok, here's me in my office


<arif> just trying it now

<Vance> ok, I'm sending the Palace over to you

<arif> that is the best thnx

<Vance> Now, may I suggest we use tapped in? Reason is, it keeps a log for us.

<Vance> I've just caught John online as well and he's a tapped in user.

<arif> sure, is it at

<Vance> Yes, actually exact instructions for getting on are at the url I just gave you.


<arif> shall we try this after I install he palace

<arif> or tapped in is different

<Vance> At your convenience. If we stay here I have to constantly cut and paste.

<Vance> Tapped in keeps logs automatically

<arif> shall I connect as a guest

<Vance> Yes

<arif> ok, I am trying to open it as a guest

<arif> does it close all the windows

<Vance> Just one window. You can say yes

Anonymous73 has joined the chat room.

<Vance> Might be John?

Anonymous73 is now known as John.

<John> Hi, all. I'm in Tapped In, also.

<arif> hi John, I opened the tapped in

<Vance> yep, yeah, me too. When you get in Rif, type /join vances

<John> Hope to see you there soon, arif.

<Vance> John and I are at tapped in now

<arif> am I there now or what

<Vance> Yep, I think so ...

<John> Did you write your name as "hi"?

<arif> I just started by greeting and I think it became my nick

<Vance> no worries. I wonder if you can change it.

<arif> I am closýng this page for now

arif has left the chat room.

You can follow us to Tapped In or continue reading below.

some time passes here; people log in, find no one, log out again ... Vance

John has left the chat room.

Anonymous45 has joined the chat room.

Anonymous45 is now known as John.

Anonymous4910 has joined the chat room.

Anonymous4910 has left the chat room.

Anonymous4910 has joined the chat room.

Anonymous4910 is now known as Maggi.

John has left the chat room.

Anonymous7759 has joined the chat room.

Anonymous7759 is now known as John.

<John> Hi, I was disconnected from my server and now I can't get back into Tapped In.

Anonymous15 has joined the chat room.

Anonymous15 has left the chat room.

<Maggi> I saw that

<Maggi> shame...this is easier

<Maggi> but more work for Vance to keep logs

Anonymous9576 has joined the chat room.

Anonymous9576 is now known as ying.

<Maggi> Hi Ying!

John has left the chat room.

<ying> Hi,,,,,,

<ying> What's going on here?

<Maggi> not much

<Maggi> they are all at Tapped-in

<Vance> Hi Ying Lan

<Vance> Hi Ying Lan

<ying> Why? it is easy to get in there?

<Vance> We're in tapped in and I think we'll try the Palace. Are you game?

<Maggi> it is easier for Vance to keep logs

<ying> Oh... I don't know how to get in the tapped-in.

<Vance> Sooo much easier ...

<Vance> to begin with

<Vance> choose the guest login

<Vance> Instructions are at

<Vance> with pictures

<Vance> more specifically ...


You can follow Ying Lan to Tapped In or continue reading below.

<Maggi> there's a crazy at my corner

<Vance> I'll join you ...

<Vance> Shakifanatico is in the Palace

You can follow us to The Palace or continue reading below.

Anonymous8744 has joined the chat room.

Anonymous8744 is now known as John.

<Maggi> who is it?

<John> Who is who?

<Maggi> this guy

<John> The name is Spanish anyway.

<Maggi> maybe it is a woman

<Maggi> liked my male avatar

<John> Could be. The name is Masculine, but that doesn't mean anything.

<Maggi> can you get to the Palace John?

John has left the chat room.

ying has left the chat room.

Anonymous475 has joined the chat room.

Anonymous475 has left the chat room.

<Vance> Did we lose someone?

Yep, we did! It turned out to be Juani. She left us a message in Yahoo!

Click here for logs from: Rif in ICQ | Homestead | Tapped In | Groupboard | Palace | Ying Lan in ICQ | Juani in Yahoo! | Follow-up ICQ from Rif | The students' questions

Tapped In logs

Connected to TAPPED IN on Sun May 27 03:58:04 2001 PDT.

JohnSte arrives from nowhere.

Johns_Recorder follows JohnSte to here.

JohnSte says, "Hi, Vance."

VanceS says, "Hi. I don't see your icon in my room."

VanceS says, "I was watching for icons"

hi [guest] arrives from nowhere.

JohnSte says, "Hi, Hi."

VanceS says, "And I guess that's RIf"

hi [guest] says, "this is cool. Moo with a Java applet"

JohnSte says, "That's what I think, too."

VanceS says, "It is. It's a nice facility"

VanceS says, "John and I both have recorders"

VanceS says, "Moral comes here too with his personal recorder"

JohnSte says, "With a recorder, we don't have to remember everything as we go along."

hi [guest] says, "nice. How do you talk in here"

VanceS asks, "So did you get the Palace installed Rif?"

hi [guest] says, "I will just start to show my students your community"

hi [guest] says, "not yet, it is at 30 percent yet"

VanceS says, "oh yeah, I thought it had finished. Ok, we can do that later."

VanceS asks, "Are you ok with all these chats on your laptop?"

hi [guest] says, "yep, it is ok, but I am curious about the connections, it shows 19 600 K connection speed :-("

VanceS says, "I'm sending at about 900-1024 bps"

VanceS exclaims, "That's our network!"

VanceS asks, "There's a cool site we're using called groupboard. Have you seen it?"

hi [guest] says, "nope"

VanceS says, "I just tried to connect to my telcopoint voice chat site at"

VanceS says, "no luck but maybe you can reach it"

VanceS says, "Yeah, good thinking closing the homestead chat"

VanceS says, "Here's the groupboard"

VanceS says, ""

VanceS says, "Try that one. It's easy and it's clever."

You can follow us to GroupBoard or continue reading below.

VanceS asks, "Are your students managing to stay awake through all of this?"

VanceS says, "We're at 1.2 meg out of 1.9 on the file transfer."

hi [guest] says, "I was just telling them to take the floor to meet you, and they are with a smiling face while reading your comments"

VanceS asks, "Shall we tackle some of their questions?"

hi [guest] says, "hello my name is zeynep"

VanceS says, "Hello Zeynep"

VanceS says, "Welcome"

hi [guest] says, "This is my first time on the computer to have a conversation, so I'm bit nervous"

Click on the picture to see Zeynep typing to Vance surrounded by her classmates. Neslihan is in the black sweater, waiting her turn, and that's Emil in the leather jacket.

VanceS says, "Nothing to worry about. I'm working in a bunch of windows so if I take my time just chat away."

hi [guest] says, "hello this is Neslihan"

VanceS asks, "What kind of course are you taking at the university with Arif?"

VanceS asks, "Hi Neslihan. Have you guys seen our chat log pages?"

hi [guest] says, "approaches to language teching methods"

hi [guest] says, "neslihan= no"

VanceS asks, "Do you have computer labs there? Or is it unusual to have an internet connection?"

hi [guest] says, "yes, but it is limited and we don`t have an internet lab"

hi [guest] says, "but we use our teachers` computers in their offices"

VanceS asks, "Do you have internet access in offices?"

VanceS says, "I couldn't live without internet"

hi [guest] says, "no"

hi [guest] says, "Vance, this is Arif. I have pictures of us here wanna see them"

VanceS says, "Sure"

VanceS asks, "Pictures like file transfer pics?"

VanceS says, "or url pics"

hi [guest] says, "I showed them your pix\ yes"

hi [guest] says, "file transfer"

VanceS says, "wait till the Palace gets through"

VanceS says, "it's almost done"

VanceS says, "made it"

VanceS says, "Are you guys in GroupBoard? There's an anon there."

hi [guest] says, "I just opened it but we are not using yet"

hi [guest] says, "names...from left to right , habibe, nilgun, zeynep, hacer, demet, gonul"

VanceS says, "ok, you can send your pics"

VanceS asks, "what about Neslihan?"

hi [guest] says, "I am trying but it wouldnt connect"

VanceS says, "you can email it to"

VanceS asks, "Hi what happened to everyone?"

hi [guest] says, "Vance, I am sending you some pix/ you should get them in three min"

hi [guest] says, "I sent you four now\ and will send you two more later/ Now\ I am leaving the keyboard to the students"

VanceS says, "ok, I'll check email, and hi students"

hi [guest] says, "hi this is nilgun"

Maggi [guest] arrives from nowhere.

Maggi [guest] asks, "Hello?"

VanceS says, "Hi Nilgun, let's see, I'm looking at a picture here ..."

VanceS asks, "ok, you're in the blue jacket?"

Maggi [guest] asks, "who is?"

hi [guest] says, "what do you think about pix"

VanceS says, "Nilgun"

VanceS says, "Great (Nilgun is, I mean, Maggi)"

hi [guest] says, "yes"

VanceS says, "I'll send you the pic, maggi."

hi [guest] says, "hi i'm emel"

hi [guest] says, "we have seen your pic maggi"

Maggi [guest] says, "ok"

hi [guest] says, "have you ever been to turkiye"

VanceS says, "Hi Emel. You're not in the picture."

Maggi [guest] says, "not yet emel"

VanceS says, "I've been there a couple of times."

hi [guest] says, "mr arif will send my photo later"

VanceS says, "Arif told me I drove through your city."

hi [guest] says, "why have you been in turkey"

Maggi [guest] says, "still haven't decorated much eh Vance....:-)"

VanceS says, "lazy Maggi"

VanceS says, "me I mean"

VanceS says, "Both times I was in Turkey I was traveling"

VanceS says, "First time on my way from Europe to the middle east in 1974"

VanceS says, "Second time I had been in Iraq (1988) and I met my family in Istanbul."

Maggi [guest] says, "with a bigger screen I still have room to open the Palace"

VanceS asks, "I've got 4 pictures now and I'm looking for more. I'm going to put them at our website, is that ok?"

VanceS says, "I have to ask and get your permission first. If you object, of course I won't"

Maggi [guest] asks, "Hi's the coffee?"

Maggi [guest] says, "Is this slow or is everryone daydreaming...:-)"

JohnSte says, "Hi, Maggi, coffee was a bit weak. I'm in the middle of my breakfast now."

Maggi [guest] says, "ok...chew slowly and enjoy it..."

VanceS asks, "Have you seen our pictures?"

Maggi [guest] says, "...hey, it works here..."

JohnSte says, "Sure will, Maggi."

Maggi [guest] says, "but it doesn't come up...:-("

Maggi [guest] says, "I lose my flatrateon 10 July"

VanceS says, "Arif was cut off a moment ago and is trying to get back"

JohnSte asks, "Why? Maggi?"

Maggi [guest] says, "Telekom is losing money and canceled it"

JohnSte says, "I am revising, editing, and updating the Online ESL Palace."

Maggi [guest] says, "I can get it with a DSL connection but it still isn't available....yet"

JohnSte says, "So they have cancelled your flat rate."

VanceS asks, "What's the online esl palace?"

JohnSte says, "It's my Home Page."

VanceS says, "oh, cool ... i think we have the url"

JohnSte says, "I'm getting rid of a lot of the old links, rearranging other links, and doing other such things."

JohnSte says, "I'll let you know as soon as it is finished."

Maggi [guest] says, "cleaning the fguzzballs"

JohnSte says, "The URL is"

rf [guest] arrives from nowhere.

Maggi [guest] says, "fuzzballs"

rf [guest] says, "we are back"

rf [guest] says, "this is emel"

(Arif has by now sent the pictures! Emil is the one in the middle, and Neslihan is on the left - Vance)

Maggi [guest] says, "hi again"

VanceS says, "I'm trying to work out how to get the pics Arif sent me on the Internet quickly"

VanceS says, "Welcome back. I'm working on putting the pics up so Maggi and John can see them."

JohnSte says, "Hi, again, Rif. Yes Maggi, I am getting rid of all the fuzzballs at the site."

rf [guest] says, "who is maggi we wonder her"

Maggi [guest] says, "Maggi is the other teacher"

rf [guest] says, "thi is neslihan"

Maggi [guest] says, "hi Neslihan"

Maggi [guest] says, "I'm in Germany"

rf [guest] says, "we are good at reading and writing but on the other hand we are not good at speakig"

rf [guest] says, "what can we do"

Maggi [guest] says, "just talabout things that interest you"

rf [guest] says, "to improve our speaking skills"

VanceS says, "I just tried my telcopoint site, but we have no place where we can all meet and speak that's private"

Maggi [guest] says, " to each other"

VanceS says, "You could post messages on our voice board, though."

VanceS says, "There is a public speech forum, at"

Maggi [guest] says, "find tourists to talk to...there must be other speakers of English living there"

VanceS says, "This is our voice forum"

VanceS says, ""

rf [guest] says, "we have not opportunity to chat on internet"

Maggi [guest] says, "don't be afraid of making mistakes and don't try to be perfect"

JohnSte says, "If you can find movies in English, watch them. That will help you improve your listening."

Maggi [guest] says, "an accent is very charming"

rf [guest] says, "bou is not touristic place"

Maggi [guest] says, "there must be others around"

rf [guest] says, "thanks for your suggestions"

Maggi [guest] says, "if not talking to each other is next best"

VanceS asks, "Try Englishtown. Have you been there?"

rf [guest] says, "no we haven't been there"

Maggi [guest] says, "try eViews for interviews with people of different accents"

Maggi [guest] says, "read out loud"

rf [guest] says, "hi this is hacer" (third from right in this pic)

Maggi [guest] says, "Hi Hacer"

Maggi [guest] says, "Really...find something you enjoy and read out load"

rf [guest] says, "what are the common problems of your students"

Maggi [guest] asks, "whose?"

Maggi [guest] says, "Mine try too hard to be perfect"

rf [guest] says, "generall"

Maggi [guest] says, "not worth the effort"

VanceS says, "ok, here are the urls for the pictures of the charming students you're talking to ..."

VanceS says, " 013f.jpg"

VanceS says, " 011f.jpg"

VanceS says, " 010f.jpg"

Maggi [guest] says, "John got bumped"

VanceS says, " 009f.jpg"

VanceS says, " 007f.jpg"

VanceS says, " 005f.jpg"

Maggi [guest] asks, "how are we supposed to look at all those?"

VanceS says, "in your copious spare time"

Maggi [guest] says, "funny..."

VanceS says, "Well, I'll link them from our chat logs this evening"

VanceS says, "There's more info about the pics"

rf [guest] says, "Arif - Well, I install the Palace\ shall we try the voice chat or shall we leave it for another time"

VanceS says, "The telcopoint voice chat isn't working for me"

Maggi [guest] asks, "the Palace has voice?"

VanceS says, "I suggest Englishtown at some time in the future"

VanceS says, "Englishtown is usually busy, and you have to register. They send you a password by email."

VanceS says, "Here's info on the pics"

VanceS says, "pic 5 from left to right , habibe, nilgun, zeynep, hacer, demet, gonul"

JohnSte has lost his link.

VanceS says, "pic 13 from left to right , neslihan, emel, and Turkan"

VanceS says, "pic 7 from left to right , esra, dilek, kadriye"

VanceS says, "AIBU at work : 9, 10, 11"

VanceS says, "Oh, our pictures, let me find those for you ..."

rf [guest] says, "ok"

VanceS says, "We're at"

VanceS says, "You can link from there to more information"

VanceS says, "Michael and Ying Lan are usually around at this time, though was Ying Lan coming tonight?L"

VanceS asks, "anyone remember?"

Maggi [guest] says, "Ying is in Homestead"

Maggi [guest] says, "John is having a problem getting back here"

VanceS asks, "OK, I wonder if she'll come here. I think we might be going to the palace anyway, right Rif?"

rf [guest] says, "emel- we saw your pics and there are some stars and what do they mean"

Maggi [guest] says, "how long a student has been with us"

VanceS says, "There is a star for each year that person has been a Webheadd"

VanceS says, "I'm at the Palace now, on port 9998"

rf [guest] says, "we can't not connect to the palace"

rf [guest] says, "e will try later"

You can follow Vance and Maggi to The Palace or continue reading below.

JohnSte arrives from nowhere.

Johns_Recorder follows JohnSte to here.

VanceS says, "If you're rejected, pull down File / Connect to a Palace"

JohnSte says, "I'm back."

VanceS says, "I was rejected from the default Palace site but works"

rf [guest] says, "what are u thinking about question3"

VanceS asks, "Hi John. Having problems there?"

VanceS asks, "What was question 3? Can you remind us?"

JohnSte says, "Yep. Both of my servers are acting up again."

rf [guest] says, "it was about thinking in the native language"

VanceS says, "Yes, that's a good one. I can usually tell I'm doing that if I'm dreaming in the foreign language."

Maggi [guest] says, "have to shut the door in your head to your own"

rf [guest] says, "how can we do it"

VanceS says, "That happens to me only when I'm totally immersed in the foreign language, when I'm solving problems all the time in that language ..."

Maggi [guest] says, " isn't easy at first....takes hard work...but it gets easier"

VanceS says, "David, ask them to /join vances"

rf [guest] says, "ok we will try it"

Maggi [guest] says, "stop trying to translate and use the words you know...keep it simple and build on it"

VanceS asks, "How do I speak to David in Reception?"

Maggi [guest] asks, "go there?"

rf [guest] says, "do you think that culture affects learning foreing language"

Maggi [guest] says, "type a command to talk to David"

Maggi [guest] says, "yes it does"

Maggi [guest] says, "no language except Esperanto exists without the people who speak it, their culture and the way they think"

rf [guest] says, "what do you think abaut question four"

VanceS says, "Is that forcing language .. oh foreign ... well ..."

VanceS says, "of course"

ying [guest] arrives from nowhere.

JohnSte says, "Hi, Ying."

VanceS says, "Hi Ying Lan. you made it!! YAAA"

ying [guest] says, "hi... Finally."

VanceS exclaims, "Ying Lan can get anywhere. We can always count on Ying Lan.!!"

ying [guest] says, "Thanks..."

VanceS says, "And Ying Lan's is the 5th picture on that page I gave you earlier"

VanceS says, ""

VanceS says, "And she has a nice web site"

JohnSte says, "And Michael is on his way."

VanceS says, "If you click on anyone's picture you go to their web site."

rf [guest] says, "unfortunately we need to leave now. We are pleased to meet you, and hope to talk to you soon again"

VanceS says, "ok, it was very nice of you to join us."

JohnSte says, "Sorry to see you leave."

Maggi [guest] says, "our pleasure"

rf [guest] says, "same here"

ying [guest] asks, "rf?"

rf [guest] says, "arif- hi all\ we need to go for now."

VanceS says, "Arif from Turkey"

ying [guest] says, "Nice to meet you rf."

VanceS says, "His whole class is here, about 12 people"

rf [guest] says, "thanks for all\ see you all later"

VanceS says, "You can meet them via our chat logs later"

JohnSte says, "See you later Rif."

ying [guest] says, "Vance.. the real. file which I sent you the URL..."

VanceS says, "Hope you'll join us again some time"

Michael_C [guest] arrives from nowhere.

Maggi [guest] says, "bye..."

ying [guest] says, "It is talking about the The invisible continent."

rf [guest] says, "let`s see bye"

Michael_C [guest] says, "Hi everyone."

JohnSte says, "Hi, Michael."

ying [guest] says, "The Invisible Continent... for strategic imperatives of the new Economay."

VanceS asks, "Didn't I see that one before Ying Lan?"

VanceS says, "I'll know in a moment."

JohnSte says, "It's almost time for me to go, too. I have to get ready to take my daughter someplace."

ying [guest] says, "At the begining of the speech is in Chinese... there are some introduction of some famous people here."

VanceS says, "Ying Lan is talkign about"

Maggi [guest] says, "nice to see you John"

VanceS says, "OK John, thanks for dropping in"

VanceS says, "and hi Michael"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "Howdy!"

ying [guest] says, "Later 15 minutes, you will hear the speaker speaks English"

JohnSte says, "OK. see you all later."

ying [guest] says, "John.. you are leaving."

ying [guest] says, "miss you."

JohnSte says, "Yes, I have to take my daughter someplace this morning."

ying [guest] says, "Hi... michalec."

JohnSte says, "I'll miss talking to all of you, too, Ying."

ying [guest] says, "I knew... you just told us."

Maggi [guest] says, "hi mc"

JohnSte says, "see you"

ying [guest] says, "Take care."

JohnSte has disconnected.

VanceS asks, "Rif, are you still here?"

VanceS says, "We're talking to a dutch girl at the Palace, or someone with a female avatar at any rate"

ying [guest] says, "oh..."

ying [guest] asks, "What's going on there?"

Maggi [guest] says, "not much"

VanceS says, "You can come along if you want"

ying [guest] asks, "Vance, have you open the url ?"

ying [guest] says, "Too many window open now."

ying [guest] says, "Too many windows are open now."

Michael_C [guest] says, "I have opened the ram file Ying. It seems to be the news in Chinese."

ying [guest] says, "Yes... it starts by some reporter..."

Michael_C [guest] says, "Now I have English."

ying [guest] says, "in Chinese, but you hear the speech in English."

ying [guest] exclaims, "Great!!"

Michael_C [guest] asks, "Who is this man?"

VanceS says, "ok, I'm starting mine in a moment"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "Very clever!"

ying [guest] says, "Can you understand his English? He is a Jpanese. I am sorry, I only knew his Chinese name."

Michael_C [guest] says, "Sure - the English is very clear."

ying [guest] says, "I found his name... He is " Kenichi Ohmae"."

Michael_C [guest] says, "What's his position? Now I have a woman talking in Chinese..."

ying [guest] says, "I like his theory about the new Economy.""

ying [guest] says, "He will give you a speech later."

ying [guest] says, "I was in his seminar two weeks ago in Taipei."

Maggi [guest] asks, "learn a lot Ying?"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "OK. This would be great practice for me if I was learning Chinese!"

ying [guest] says, "Kenichi Ohmae visited Taipei to advertise his new book."

Maggi [guest] says, "hehehehe"

Michael_C [guest] says, "I see."

ying [guest] says, "His new book has been translated in Chinese"

ying [guest] asks, "Michael... you are learning Chinese, how?"

ying [guest] asks, "how come?"

Michael_C [guest] asks, "Who is rf?"

Maggi [guest] says, "r8if"

Maggi [guest] says, "rif"

ying [guest] says, "rf is from Turkey."

VanceS says, "Rif, Arif Atun"

Michael_C [guest] says, "No I'm not Ying. I was joking."

Michael_C [guest] says, "OK. Hello Arif."

ying [guest] says, "OH.... I am gullible."

Maggi [guest] says, "nah Ying...just missed the cue..."

Michael_C [guest] says, "So am I Ying. I believe anything."

VanceS says, "I'm listenign to the broadcast"

ying [guest] asks, "what is the broadcast?"

Maggi [guest] says, "us"

Michael_C [guest] says, "But Maggi's right Ying. If you look at what I said you'd see I said 'if' I was learning Chinese."

ying [guest] says, "Oh... it is not "listening" ... it is "reading""

VanceS says, "The one you recommended"

VanceS says, "so far it's a talk in chinese"

ying [guest] says, "Chinese or English."

ying [guest] says, "few minustes later, you will hear Englihs... trust me."

ying [guest] says, "English"

Michael_C [guest] says, "I'm still listening to the broadcast too - still in Chinese. But it is niceto listen to."

ying [guest] says, "It takes about 15 minutes in Chinese."

Michael_C [guest] asks, "Isn John still here?"

ying [guest] says, "I am sorry, but it is designed to Chinese people."

Maggi [guest] says, "no"

ying [guest] says, "He left."

VanceS says, "John had to go"

Maggi [guest] says, "had to take his daughter somewhere"

VanceS says, "I've got to go too in about 15 min"

Michael_C [guest] asks, "So why is John's pic still here?"

Maggi [guest] asks, "memories?"

ying [guest] says, "I don't know... don't ask me. I am a new one here."

Michael_C [guest] says, "smiles..."

Maggi [guest] asks, "memories?"

Michael_C [guest] says, "Now I have English in the broadcast again."

ying [guest] says, "Have you heard the one..... one guy is chatting with his Chinese female friend a bar."

Maggi [guest] says, "this is slow"

Michael_C [guest] asks, "yes?"

ying [guest] says, "The girl says " Look at this... Why the handsome foreinger always dates with a ugly Chinese girl. ""

Michael_C [guest] says, "go on Ying..."

Maggi [guest] asks, "likes the content better than the cover?"

VanceS asks, "oh, this is live?"

ying [guest] says, "No... the American guy reply " no... why the Beautiful Chinese girl always dates with a ugly Foreinger.""

Maggi [guest] asks, "knows something we don't?"

ying [guest] asks, "Did you get it?"

Maggi [guest] says, "matter of perception then"

VanceS asks, "Is it a live broadcast?"

ying [guest] says, "No... it recorded."

ying [guest] says, "But I was in the seminar two weeks ago in Taipei"

ying [guest] says, "You only can hear the half of the seminar at the URL."

VanceS asks, "oh, are these good speeches? Useful for you?"

ying [guest] says, "Yes, I think.."

ying [guest] says, "When I heard it at the first time... I thought it was a so so speech."

VanceS says, "The person in the Palace seems pretty reasonable"

ying [guest] says, "But I watched it on TV... I got more idea from the speaker..."

Maggi [guest] says, "ideas are good to get"

ying [guest] says, "who is in the Palace."

Michael_C [guest] says, "Do they want to be a webhead? (the person in the palace)"

VanceS says, "A young lady or man from Holland"

Maggi [guest] says, "Vance, me and someone else"

VanceS asks, "I've brought up the topic. Want to come meet him/her?"

VanceS says, "And Mad, who is pretending to be male"

VanceS says, "Yeah, you can visit the website and meet the students and find out a lot about us."

ying [guest] asks, "maggi is pretending to be male ..?"

Michael_C [guest] says, "I would but i still have to install palace.....might do that tonight."

Maggi [guest] says, "and you as a giant eyeball..."

VanceS exclaims, "oops, I just put the palace chat here!!"

VanceS says, "LOL"

ying [guest] says, "I feel tire now..."

Maggi [guest] says, "I look better than you Vance"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, "Good one V - writing the text in the wrong place!"

Maggi [guest] says, "shit happens"

VanceS says, "naw, harmless"

VanceS asks, "Why don't you come over to the Palace?"

ying [guest] asks, "me?"

Maggi [guest] says, "he told you before"

VanceS says, "Yeah, you and MC"

ying [guest] says, "But I am tired... I went to bed late last night."

ying [guest] says, "I probably will cut off the line 5 minutes later."

Michael_C [guest] says, "I can't Vance - still have to install Palace."

ying [guest] says, "I have sleeping eyes now."

ying [guest] says, "I attended a party in the afternoon... only talking and eating."

ying [guest] says, "I need to read some stuff later before I go to bed."

VanceS says, "I've got to leave in ten min myself"

Maggi [guest] says, "me too"

ying [guest] asks, "Have you heard the speech in English?"

Michael_C [guest] asks, "Where do you have to do in Vance?"

Michael_C [guest] exclaims, " know what I mean!"

ying [guest] says, "weird."

VanceS says, "Yeah, I'm listening to him speak in English"

ying [guest] asks, "Do you understand it?"

VanceS says, "My son is getting an award at teh school and I've got to go and see."

ying [guest] says, "oh... sure."

ying [guest] says, "There is no way to go back."

ying [guest] says, "I am kidding."

ying [guest] says, "I need to go now."

ying [guest] says, "See you next week."

Michael_C [guest] says, "Goodnight Ying."

ying [guest] asks, "One more quesion... do you understand my joke ?"

Maggi [guest] exclaims, "nite Ying!"

ying [guest] asks, "nite?"

ying [guest] asks, "the joke?"

Michael_C [guest] says, "I didn't get the joke - it went to fast for me."

VanceS says, "nite nite"

VanceS says, "hold on, I have to look for the joke"

Michael_C [guest] says, "Well I clear off and go and install Palace."

ying [guest] says, "Forget it!! guys."

Michael_C [guest] says, "Till next time from me...."

ying [guest] says, "See you next week."

VanceS says, "We'll read it in the logs"

Maggi [guest] says, "bye"

ying [guest] says, "bye"

VanceS says, "OK, thanks for dropping by"

VanceS says, "nice to see you again"

VanceS asks, "Still there?"

VanceS asks, "hlo??"

VanceS says, "What happened to everyone ..."

VanceS has disconnected.

Disconnected from TAPPED IN on Sun May 27 06:41:37 2001 PDT.

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GroupBoard logs

<Vance> Hi. You can type a name in to change it

<Vance> Just type a name and press the enter key

<Anon_66> arif

<Vance> Hi, you have to put your Arif where it says name

<Vance> Hi there Maggi.

<Maggi> Hi

<Vance> Anon is Rif

<Vance> And we're all in tapped in as well

<Maggi> Ok...cloadand dagger?

<Maggi> I'm getting there

<Maggi> cloak and dagger

<Maggi> shesh...10cookies just to get to guest log-in

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Palace logs

No connection - Click Anywhere to enter a Palace

Searching for Plug-ins...

PalacePresents Viewer Installed!

Connecting to

Winsock Error: 11001 - Host not found

Remote site not found

Connecting to

Connected via TCP

*** Welcome to My Corner© We hope you enjoy your visit!! Check out the water fall ride, the hang glider, Meg's© In Town Inn!! Please feel free to contact any staff member with suggestions!

Vance: @64,64 !It's Vance

*** The operators have been paged

*** @20,200 !Say HOUSE RULES at any time to read our Terms of Service!

*** a couple of pages of 'house rules' are put in the logs at this point, things you can and cannot do ...

Mad: @64,64 !It's Mad

Mad: ahhhh

Vance: hi, where are you

ShakiFanatico™: Hi Vance

Vance: Hi shak, what's up?

ShakiFanatico™: not much

ShakiFanatico™: hi Mad

Mad: hi

ShakiFanatico™: how are yas?

Mad: fine

Mad: you?

ShakiFanatico™: I'm ok

Vance: We're teachers

ShakiFanatico™: :teachers?

Mad: of English

Vance: Yeah, we used to use the palace a lot but there aren't so many anymore.

ShakiFanatico™: Have you ever been to this palace or is this your first time?

Mad: been here before

ShakiFanatico™: cool

ShakiFanatico™: where are you two from?

Mad: I leave in Germany

Mad: live

Vance: I live in the UAE

Vance: Yourself?

ShakiFanatico™: Holland

Vance: one of my favorite countries

Vance: Where in Holland?

ShakiFanatico™: Northern part

ShakiFanatico™: :I don't happen to know you, right, Vance?

Vance: I went biking on an island up there. Tel ... something ...

ShakiFanatico™: cool

Vance: Train and ferry from Amsterdam, bikes for rent where you get off the boat

Vance: Or are you Northern German border area?

ShakiFanatico™: yup

ShakiFanatico™: I've been to one island myself

Vance: I wish I could remember it's name. Let me get a map ...

ShakiFanatico™: the island you went to?

Vance: yea

ShakiFanatico™: Texel probably

Mad: are you Dutch?

ShakiFanatico™: yeah

Vance: That's it!

ShakiFanatico™: :-)

Vance: I'm finding a map of holland

ShakiFanatico™: ok lol

Vance: Let's see, Delfzij is about as far north as you get in Holland ...

ShakiFanatico™: I'm close to Delfzijl

Vance: Must be nice beaches

ShakiFanatico™: they're okay... I bet the beaches on the west side are much nicer

Vance: I've been to some very nice beaches ... no I'm thinking of Denmark ...

Vance: get confused ...

Vance: Texel has big dunes

ShakiFanatico™: :I'd believe so, I've never been there.. ;-) I've only been to Schiermonnikoog

Vance: What do you do (besides hang out at the Palace like us)

ShakiFanatico™: not much actually... camping in weekends

Vance: That's neat. I do a lot of camping. I go to Oman where you can camp anywhere, and there's the desert

Vance: Where do you like to camp?

ShakiFanatico™: near forest areas, I don't really need to travel a long way to find some of those areas

Vance: I used to do a lot of sleeping out when I was hitching in Europe

ShakiFanatico™: to which countries have you been?

Vance: up and down the autobahn in Germany, in Scandinavia, mountains in Poland, used to camp out there, wherever I'd wander off to

ShakiFanatico™: wow, that's really cool

ShakiFanatico™: I've only been Germany and Belgium so far ;-)

Vance: Mad has done stuff like that too. We know each otehr thru teaching, online for a couple of years

ShakiFanatico™: really?

ShakiFanatico™: thats pretty amazing :)

Vance: I used to do anything to avoid paying for a place to sleep

Vance: train stations, buildinigs under construction, ...

ShakiFanatico™: I see

Vance: Are you a student?

ShakiFanatico™: yep

ShakiFanatico™: I'm studying tourism information

Vance: in college

Vance: ?

ShakiFanatico™: that's right

ShakiFanatico™: Can you speak any different languages?

Vance: I speak French and Arabic, some spanish, a bit of german

Vance: Mad has lived in germany for some time. We're both Americans originally

ShakiFanatico™: wow

Vance: What do you plan to do with your tourism studies?

ShakiFanatico™: getting a job as tour operator or anything similar... perhaps translator since I love languages

Vance: Let me tell you who we are. We teach a class called Webheads

ShakiFanatico™: that's online....?


Vance: and this is me

ShakiFanatico™: groovy... so you teach online, could you tell me more about that please? how something like that goes, etc..?

Vance: Yeah, you can browse the website and find out a lot about us

Vance: Even tells you how to join us if you like.

Vance: We meet every noon GMT on Sundays

Vance: It's free, volunteer, nice people

ShakiFanatico™: I see.. I'm reading about it now

Vance: If it appeals .. we just met with a bunch of students from Turkey

ShakiFanatico™: hmm.. you meant I could join a class or... ?

Vance: We've been meeting almost 3 years now ...

Vance: It's up to you. Visit the web site and if you like the concept, anyone is welcome.

Vance: Some people are teachers, some are students, pictures are there, you'll see ...

Vance: Actually, we're all students, even the teachers, lifelong, you know ...

ShakiFanatico™: yah :)

ShakiFanatico™: so..I see you named 5 places of where you meet..

ShakiFanatico™: that's right..?

Vance: What year are you in college?

Vance: At the top of the page you can find the places we meet

ShakiFanatico™: I'm in my first year

Vance: We meet different places. For example we came here, Mad and I to possibly meet students here

ShakiFanatico™: I see

Vance: We've met here before.

Vance: We used to have our own palace

ShakiFanatico™: Hi Flutie

Flutie: hiya

Mad: Hi

Vance: Hi Fluti

Vance: e

Vance: I'll be shooting off pretty soon. Our last student just left. We were all in Tapped In this time.

ShakiFanatico™: Okay... I will check out all possible place next time

ShakiFanatico™: places*

Vance: A reliable place to start is

Vance: Noon GMT to about this time

ShakiFanatico™: okay thanks

Vance: Yeah, nice to meet you. Good luck in your studies.

ShakiFanatico™: Thanks, nice to meet you too

ShakiFanatico™: I will see you next sunday

Vance: ok, see you then. I'm off ...

ShakiFanatico™: bye bye

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Ying Lan in ICQ

ying: (4:37 PM)

If you can open the web site to listen it... but it begins in Chinese... but few seconds later you will hear the speech in English.

Vance: (4:38 PM) what's it about? I've got so many things going. Rif is here with his class from Turkey? Would you lilke to join us?

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Juani appears in Yahoo!

juani5chile (Sun May 27 18:41:19 2001): Hi Steve.I´m very sorry I missed the meeting.

juani5chile (Sun May 27 18:41:39 2001): when I came to the chatroom there was nobody there.

juani5chile (Sun May 27 18:42:53 2001): I talked to Arif..his students were supposed to be in the meeting.

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Follow-up ICQ from Rif

Next day, I got an ICQ message from Rif:

rif: (2:12 PM) Hi Vance,thanks for meeting our students yesterday. They were very happy to be able to speak with people around the world.
Vance: (2:13 PM) Hi Rif. Yeah, it was great for all of us. In a minute I can show you the chat logs
rif: (2:14 PM) sure, I have another class wýth them on Thursday, hopefully, I can show them your web site and the chat logs as well
Vance: (2:15 PM) stay with me a second here. I want to be sure I have the names of all the students
rif: (2:15 PM) ok
rif: (2:16 PM) BTW, they were very ýmpressed when you identified their names from the pictures ...
Vance: (2:17 PM) I just copied the email
Vance: (2:19 PM) but that's what it's all about isn't it? Online, anonymity just falls away. Most people think it's the opposite. But on the contrary, you're always someone online. Wait till they see the chat logs!
rif: (2:19 PM) I know. but remember, technology is very new to them ,and they wouldn"t imagine you could run the email so fast and work between windows
Vance: (2:21 PM) Yeah, we've gotten good at multitasking

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The questions the students wanted to discuss

Q1. There are some advantages and disadvantages of learning a foreign language in one’s own country. How can a learner decrease the disadvantages of learning a foreign language in his or her own country?

Q.2 We learned various methods and techniques in our Methods course. However, we are still questioning which method to follow? Or, should we have to follow a method? Is it useful to use a method, or should we compose our own method by using different techniques?

Q.3 As learners of English, we mostly think in our own language while speaking in English. What would you suggest us do in order to avoid thinking in the native language when we deal with the target language?

Q.4 Our biggest problems are intonation and pronunciation in English. How important do you see pronunciation and intonation? What should we pay attention to –an accurate pronunciation and intonation or fluent one?

Q.5 Language is a social phenomenon. Teaching methods and techniques do change as well. As prospective teachers of English, what should we do in order to be up-to-date and follow the recent developments in the field of language teaching and learning?

Q.6 We believe that personal factors are important in language learning process. Do you think there is any ability so-called “the ability of language learning”? Also, do you think this can be considered as an important factor in language learning and language teaching?

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