Webheads chat logs from May
13, 2001
Meet the people in the chat today
The Internet was acting up this Sunday night. Michael in Australia and
Ying Lan in Taiwan were both having more difficulty than usual making and
keeping contact with the usual Webheads sites. Ying Lan was able to reach us
only in ICQ, and even that kept cutting out on her. We tried to chat all of us
there, but ICQ was not letting Michael or Maggi into the chat with Ying Lan and
Vance. Neither of them could get into Homestead either, though Maggi and I were
able to get there from Germany and the Middle East, and later Juani arrived
there from Chile. GroupBoard too was working for only Maggi and I. Our Excite
voice chat has not been working since May 1st. In the end, I suggested the
Palace. I was able to reach two Palaces, one at plantation.chatserve.com and
the other at mycorner.xsia.com, both on port 9998. But by then, Maggi had gone
for a nap, Ying Lan had decided to give up on the Internet, and Michael had not
restored the software to his laptop after the curiously caused disk crash he
had last month. When Michael couldn't reach http://www.download.com to get the Palace
browser, he decided to give up too. I was collecting the logs and preparing to
go myself when I noticed that Juani had come to Homestead, but we had missed
her! So it was a bit frustrating for us, but we did manage to talk about the
big fire (burning for 30 hours!) in Taipei, a seminar Ying Lan had attended
<http://www.cmw.com.tw>, and the
conference that Michael and I presented at in Cyprus <http://www.nll.co.uk/cyprus>, Maggi
wondered if it was Mothers' Day in Taiwan, and Michael and Vance agreed to
"nicely hassle Sophie for the goods." (Now what can that be about? Sophie
wonders ... will she have to read the logs to find out??)
Incidentally, I was not able to upload files to Homestead this night
either. I tried several times and several of the Homestead web pages timed out.
Next day I tried again, and this time the uploads went more quickly than usual,
so I guess they were working on their servers at Homestead. That would explain
why that site wouldn't work. Usually, it's pretty reliable.
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ICQ logs
Vance and Ying Lan in ICQ (4:08 = noon plus 8 min
GMT)
ying: (4:08 PM) Hello I could not reach your web site today. The
line seems very busy tonight.
Vance: (4:08 PM) Hi. I was having trouble uploading to homestead but
Maggi and I are there now
ying: (4:09 PM) I do not allowed to reach it.
ying: (4:12 PM) I think that I troulbe with the connection problem. I
have not been on line all the day.
ying: (4:13 PM) There was a big fire in Taipei city. Few Computer
companies were destroyed by the fire. The fire has been lasted for over 30
hours.
Vance: (4:17 PM) Wow
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ying: (4:21 PM) I am sorry .. I can not reach you guys tonight.
I am tired to try it again.
Vance: (4:22 PM) Poor Ying Lan. Our messages are not reaching you easily
either
Vance: (4:22 PM) I'll try getting Maggi in here
Vance: (4:44 PM) still there?
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Athough Ying Lan keeps losing her
connection, she and Vance manage to initiate an ICQ Chat
Session.
<Vance> hi. Maggi just went for a toastie ??? but I'll try to get
her here
<ying> hello
<Vance> We'll see what happens. So how did the fire happen? Is
that what's screwed up your Internet?
<ying> I don't know.. I \..
<Vance> We have annonomous users in both chat areas, homestead and
groupboard
<ying> I don't think it that it is caused the internet connection
failed
<Vance> You don't think the fire caused the Internet connection to
fail?
<ying> But it is seems so serious..
<Vance> Is it on tv?
<ying> Yes. I just knew it by watching TV.
<Vance> You found out from the tv ...
<ying> I was so frustrated the slow connection .
<Vance> I can't get Maggi in here. We've had this problem
before.
<ying> I tried to check the TV programs schedule on noon.
<ying> But I was not allowed to visit any web site at the at time.
<ying> I went to Taipei city to attend a seminar yesterday.
<ying> It was fantastic...
<Vance> What was the seminar about? Fantastic?
<Vance> Why, was it about business?
<ying> Because I found the speecher had the same opinion with me.
<Vance> the speaker ... same opinion as you? Yeah? What opinion
was that?
<ying> The speaker had the same opinion as me.
<ying> The topic is "The invisible continent"
<Vance> Which continent is that?
<ying> The speaker is an Japanese.
<ying> He is a very famous Business Consultant.
<Vance> collapse
<Vance> What is the invisible continent then? The one on the
Internet?
<ying> He was talking about the .reason of dot.com collapse.
<Vance> I would say too much hype and too little productivity
<ying> I think that I could find the record player on internet.
<ying> but I can not reach it.
<Vance> the player?
<Vance> what do you mean you can find the player? ??
<ying> He said that the internet is very valuable if the ower has
follow the right direction,. .
<ying> The speech is in English.
<Vance> That's true of anything isn't it?
<Vance> ok
<ying> I think that if you can recach the website , you might
listen it by Media player or REal player.
<Vance> at the consultant's site?
<ying> NO... it is a Chinese web site..
http://www.cmw.com.tw
<ying> If you get there, you could find the speaker's picture at
the top of the site...
<Vance> got it
<Vance> but it's all in Chinese
<Vance> I've gclicked on his pic,
Ying Lan is no longer
responding in the chat ...
Soon, Vance receives this
message:
ying: (4:47 PM) I am back
Vance: (4:47 PM) Hi, Michael is having trouble too
ying: (4:50 PM) I also can not reach the groupboard of efi.
ying: (4:52 PM) Did you visit the web site of http://www.cm.com.tw
?
Vance: (4:52 PM) yeah, I went there but can't navigate because it's all
in chinese
Vance: (4:53 PM) I clicked on the speaker's picture and got a bigger
picture
ying: (4:53 PM) Did you find the Picture of a Japanese?
ying: (4:53 PM) I am sorry...
Vance: (4:54 PM) yes, so you say there is a real media in there
somewhere?
ying: (4:55 PM) Yes, I think so.
ying: (4:55 PM) Because they tried to broadcast the seminar on line
yesterday.
Vance: (4:55 PM) If you find the link, right click on it and you can see
the exact url
ying: (4:56 PM) I can not read the web site now...
Vance: (4:57 PM) You can send the url later
Vance: (4:58 PM) So where can we all chat I wonder. Should we try the
Palace?
ying: (5:00 PM) I don't know. Tonight I was forced to shut down
my computer and restarted it several times. I don't know that I can reach the
file server of the Palace or not.
Vance: (5:01 PM) Let me see if I can reach one and we can try it. Can't
hurt to try.
ying: (5:03 PM) If I can not reach it, I probably have to shut down
my computer again.
Vance: (5:03 PM) i'm at this palace if you want to try
plantation.chatserve.com on port 9998
ying: (5:08 PM) Don't be trouble to try any device of Internet now.
ying: (5:08 PM) I am very tired tonight.
ying: (5:09 PM) I might turn off my computer 5 minutes later.
Vance: (5:09 PM) ok, we're always trying these things out anyway.
ying: (5:10 PM) By the way, please email your real address to me.
If I could make the copy of the speech which I was talking about. I might
send you the tape.
Vance: (5:10 PM) ok, V Stevens, box 41637, Abu Dhabi, UAE
ying: (5:11 PM) Only this... it is so simple.
ying: (5:11 PM) box 41637, Abu Dhabi, UAE
Vance: (5:12 PM) Yep, not that many people in Abu Dhabi
ying: (5:12 PM) o.k. Got it.
ying: (5:13 PM) See you next week. I hope that Every thing will be good
in the next week.
Vance: (5:13 PM) yeah, me too. At least we try.
ying: (5:14 PM) see you.
Vance: (5:14 PM) ok, bye for now then
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Vance tries to drag Michael into the ICQ
Chat Session but he can't respond. But we can send messages
...
michaelc: (4:36 PM) Hello there. We're are ya's all?
Vance: (4:36 PM) Hey MC, what's up .. SNAP
Vance: (4:37 PM) I'm chatting with YL in ICQ. I'll try to drag you in.
I've lost Maggi somehow.
michaelc: (4:37 PM) Welcome home Vance. Ok - drag me in....
michaelc: (4:38 PM) Didn't work - wanna try again?
Vance: (4:38 PM) trying
Vance: (4:41 PM) Lost YL, well we're in the groupboard place as well
michaelc: (4:42 PM) OK - I'll go there.
michaelc: (4:45 PM) I'm having trouble getting any homestead
site....I'll keep trying.
Vance: (4:46 PM) I can't upload files there either, though Maggi and I
were both in the chat room
Vance: (4:46 PM) YL is having big problems staying online and can't
reach homestead or groupboard and keeps getting bumped out of ICQ
Vance: (4:46 PM) one of those nights
michaelc: (4:47 PM) So I guess they have a problem. Always nice to
know it's not me. Mmm..maybe the Net is having a bad day.
Vance: (4:47 PM) guess so
michaelc: (4:48 PM) I've got Ying in another ICQ window. Shall we try
a group chat again?
Vance: (4:48 PM) Yeah
Vance: (4:48 PM) try it from your end
michaelc: (4:49 PM) Ok
Vance: (4:49 PM) I couldn't get Maggi in mine earlier
michaelc: (4:54 PM) Maggi's trying to initiate a chat......
Vance: (4:55 PM) ok, I've got YL in ICQ and Maggi in Groupboard
Vance: (4:57 PM) chat lost connection about to abort
michaelc: (4:57 PM) Yeh - and I can't get to H/Stead
Vance: (4:58 PM) what about the Palace?
michaelc: (4:59 PM) I don't have Palace installed (on pc rebuild) but
I could do it and let you know when you're there.
Vance: (5:00 PM) Let me see if I can get to a Palace
michaelc: (5:00 PM) Okily dokily
Vance: (5:02 PM) Try this one: plantation.chatserve.com
michaelc: (5:03 PM) OK.....
michaelc: (5:05 PM) What do I do when I get there? I am plantation etc
now..
Vance: (5:06 PM) uh, I dont see you ...
Vance: (5:07 PM) you're sure it's plantation.chatserve.com
with an E as in chatservE
Vance: (5:08 PM) Let's try another then
michaelc: (5:08 PM) I am at a URL - not the Palace. I'm at http://plantation.chatserve.com/ and I see a list of links but no chat room.
Vance: (5:08 PM) oh, I've used the Palace browser. Do you want to
download it?
michaelc: (5:09 PM) Yes - happen to know the URL (I'm feeling
lazy)
Vance: (5:09 PM) I can get it for you at the Webheads Information
Hub
michaelc: (5:10 PM) Good cos I can't get that either. (This is bloody
hopeless!)
Vance: (5:10 PM) (some people!!)
Vance: (5:12 PM) http://www.download.com (Search on
Palace and chose the 32 bit Palace browser)
michaelc: (5:12 PM) OK!
Vance: (5:13 PM) let's see if it works. YL is tired and Maggi said she'd
go for a nap
Vance: (5:16 PM) YL just petered out, and so did Maggi
michaelc: (5:16 PM) And I might too. I'll see how quickly this
dowmload happens.
Vance: (5:17 PM) I guess others could show up
Vance: (5:17 PM) But I wouldn't mind going home either I don't guess.
I'm always working though, I've got two computers going here.
Vance: (5:18 PM) I enjoy it, always plenty to do
michaelc: (5:18 PM) Guess what - can't get the download page! Error!
Anyway....
michaelc: (5:18 PM) How do you feel about the whole Cyprus thing?
Vance: (5:18 PM) The World Wide Warp strikes again.
Vance: (5:19 PM) VERY stimulating
michaelc: (5:19 PM) Good. So it was successful then? was Sophie
happy?
Vance: (5:19 PM) It's getting thread play on at least one list I
follow
michaelc: (5:20 PM) Which list? (nice phrase - thread play!)
Vance: (5:20 PM) Yeah, I think Sophie is off on another trip right now.
You wouldn't believe how discouragingly disorganized things appeared to be up
to about 9 pm Friday night
Vance: (5:20 PM) Gavin Dudeney's, LTECH or something like that
michaelc: (5:21 PM) Actually i go that impression even from this
distance!
Vance: (5:22 PM) When we began your session and you asked how many were
there I didn't answer because there was only one person at the time.
Vance: (5:22 PM) But people trickled in and liked what they saw
Vance: (5:22 PM) That one lady at first was a bit miffed she hadn't been
informed the presenter was not actually present
Vance: (5:23 PM) I guess it wasn't made clear it would be a distance
presentation, part of the disarray I guess
michaelc: (5:23 PM) That's why you didn't answer! Oh well. I think
there were a dozen or so scattered around the planet though.
Vance: (5:24 PM) BUT someone commented after it was over that it was
really interesting to see the tech come together like that, and the
presentation with your voice and slide show was just like live
Vance: (5:24 PM) It was a good presentation. Have you heard the archived
version?
michaelc: (5:25 PM) It certainly was a fun thing to do from my side.
Very interesting talking into a vacuum like that.
Vance: (5:25 PM) I was just praying you wouldn't spill your
champagne
michaelc: (5:26 PM) Yes - I had a quick listen to the archive. It
vwould be good to edit the stuff at the beginning of it thoug. And i will never
spill champagne again. Never.
Vance: (5:26 PM) Bad luck you were on opposite Sophie herself. She is a
star presenter, has more to say than anyone. Researches this chat stuff.
michaelc: (5:27 PM) Aha - does she have a paper to read
anywhere?
Vance: (5:28 PM) she wouldn't let us record her first presentation. She
followed a recorded session and we were all set up and Eric was recording. We
could have had her, but ...
Vance: (5:29 PM) and she's not shy on a dance floor! so ...
Vance: (5:30 PM) I want to get her papers because I essentially missed
both of them, though I was present at the first. I was figuring how to get into
Eric's ftp site.
michaelc: (5:31 PM) I can always ask her myself. There is a lot of
interest in the analysing the effectiveness of online chat.
Vance: (5:32 PM) We should double-team her. We can get copies and share.
I think she'd be happy to let us read what she's done.
michaelc: (5:33 PM) I'll be off now Vance. Gotta prepare stuf for a
workshop on Tuesday. More WebCt training.
michaelc: (5:33 PM) Ok - so let's nicely hassle Sophie for the
goods.
Vance: (5:33 PM) ok, I guess I'll shut down too. Too cold in here.
michaelc: (5:34 PM) Go outside and get blasted with heat then. See
you soon.
Vance: (5:34 PM) that'll work. I've got a cold already from this a/c
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Groupboard logs
Vance tries to drag Maggi into the ICQ
Chat Session but she is unable to respond. Meanwhile, we are conversing in
GroupBoard ...
<Vance> back at noon:15
<Maggi> so Anon 23 must be Ying
<Maggi> why?
<Vance> Is this Ying Lan?
<Vance> why what ... oh, I was just marking the time. It's noon 16
gmt
<Vance> Did you get my message that I was ducking out a sec?
<Vance> earlier? I didn't see it posted at my end.
<Maggi> it's 2.15 here
<Vance> ah, but it's noon 15 GMT
<Maggi> yes...but you didn't add a sec
<Maggi> it's shit..how can I be GMT+1 then?
<Vance> check the world clock
<Vance> Ying Lan says
<Vance> here was a big fire in Taipei city.
<Maggi> don't try to explain it again.....
<Maggi> I have and it says I am GMT+1
<Vance> hmmm
<Vance> ok, looking ...
<Maggi> yes, hmmmm
<Vance> are you Frankfurt time?
<Maggi> yes
<Maggi> Berlin too
<Vance> It says at the bottom that UTC or GMT is 12:20
<Vance> Frankfurt 2:20
<Maggi> I know...but how can I be plus 1 when it i9s 14.20
here?
<Vance> you must be GMT plus 2 in summer
<Maggi> must be but it says 1
<Maggi> no matter....I know when to be here
<Vance> If you click on frankfurt in the world clock it says GMT +
1 plus daylight saving +1 for a total offset of +2
<Maggi> yep
<Maggi> mc comes on and is away....
<Maggi> I'm going to get another toatie
<Maggi> toastie
<Vance> I'm trying to get YL in ICQ chat
<Vance> I'm ICQ chatting with YL but I can't get you in there for
some reason.
<Vance> Have we been through this before?
<Vance> How's the toastie? And what's with MC? He's in ICQ ...
<Maggi> I got a hot water bottle too
<Maggi> ask him
<Vance> He's in touch now. I've been trying to get both youse in
ICQ chat
<Maggi> ahha
<Maggi> I wonder if it is Mother's Day in Taiwan...
<Vance> Lost YL, MC is coming here I guess
<Maggi> ok
<Vance> YL said she attended a seminar yesterday and was very
impressed
<Maggi> by what?
<Vance> by the speaker
<Vance> on dot coms
<Maggi> how does she mean...the way he did the talk?
<Vance> She said she agreed with his opinion
<Maggi> or the topic?
<Maggi> that always help to make a good impression
<Vance> Michael is having problems too. Are you in touch with MC
and YL?
<Maggi> Ying is tired
<Vance> shes back in ICQ
<Maggi> yes...I am talking to her and MC there
<Vance> chatting?
<Vance> I've got both of them in IQC but can only chat with YL
<Maggi> a chat with MC doesn't seem to work
<Vance> got mc's invite though
<Vance> and waiting for him to respond
<Vance> chat lost connection about to abort
<Maggi> same here
<Maggi> same with him when I tried
<Vance> I'm going to try a Palace
<Vance> I've reached plantation.chatserve.com on 9998
<Vance> gonna go for a wizz while everyone thinks about it
<Maggi> ok
<Maggi> I'm going to take a short nap...:-)
<Vance> At the plantation now. MC tried the http site and is now
about to get the Palace
<Maggi> ok
<Maggi> Ying must have fallen asleep
<Maggi> so I am going to take a snooze...have fun!
<Maggi> bye for now
<Vance> ok cya
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Homestead logs
Vance and Maggi are the only ones able to
get into the Homestead chat, except for Juani, who appeared as we were all
leaving (and was just missed). Homestead I believe was working on its website,
and this is why it was not as accessible as it usually
is.
Connecting to chat server...
You have joined the chat room as Anonymous1971.
Members of room: Anonymous1971
You have changed your name to Vance.
<Vance> It's now 11:39 GMT
Anonymous57 has joined the chat room.
Anonymous57 is now known as Maggi.
<Vance> hey, hiya
<Maggi> Hi
<Vance> hlo
Anonymous25 has joined the chat room.
Anonymous25 has left the chat room.
Anonymous78 has joined the chat room.
Anonymous78 has left the chat room.
Maggi has left the chat room.
a bit later ...
Anonymous85 has joined the chat room.
Anonymous85 is now known as Juani.
<Juani> Hello.
Juani has left the chat room.
Anonymous10 has joined the chat room.
Anonymous10 is now known as Juani.
<Juani> hello..
<Juani> where is everybody?
Juani has left the chat room.
Anonymous2 has joined the chat room.
Anonymous2 has left the chat room.
a bit later ...
<Vance> Juani, sorry !!!
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Follow-on from Ying Lan (next day in ICQ)
ying: (6:40 PM) http://www.cw.com.tw/pics/media/vid003.ram
Vance: (6:40 PM) hi
Vance: (6:41 PM) someone is challenging the
question, the concept of balance ...
Vance: (6:42 PM) balance is the art of
leadership
Vance: (6:42 PM) Is this what you saw?
ying: (6:44 PM) I saw
it in Chinese.
ying: (6:44 PM) Actually, it is a file of real player... Can
you hear it by real player?
Vance: (6:45 PM) I thought you said they were
speaking English .. Yes, I can hear it well
Vance: (6:45 PM) And that's it.
I've got to go home. I'll send this out to Webheads and ask them what they
think
ying: (6:46 PM) I try to understand it.
Vance: (6:46 PM) Yes if
you need help, do you have any questions before I go home?
ying: (6:46 PM)
If you really want to go home, just go home.
Vance: (6:48 PM) Yeah, I've
been uploading files for webheads. One of them was for your page. I've been
here again 12 hours today and I'm ready to go. But if you have any questions,
ask and I'll answer them tomorrow. Or now if it's a quick one.
ying: (6:49
PM) I just try to understand her words now... It takes time to understand it.
Now, I have no questions, because I don't even understand her words.
Vance:
(6:50 PM) OK, what two aspects of balance are there? What example does she give
from Chinese literature on the importance of balance? (what 3 types of leader
are there?)
Vance: (6:51 PM) Listen for answers to those questions
ying: (6:51 PM) To be a great leader is that the worker thinks he does
everything by himself.
Vance: (6:51 PM) That's the third kind of leader.
There were two before that.
ying: (6:52 PM) I don't understand the two
before that...
ying: (6:52 PM) What was the evil talking about?
Vance:
(6:53 PM) I don't remember them exactly, only that there were two of them ...
ok, let me listen for the evil. What time is on the counter at that point?
ying: (6:54 PM) I did not know.
Vance: (6:54 PM) It's in the lower
right of the real player
Vance: (6:55 PM) fundamentals as old as time, what
are they? (two examples, first is balance, what is the other?)
ying: (6:55
PM) I am sorry, I have to listen it again.
Vance: (6:55 PM) me too
Vance: (6:56 PM) leadership's obligation to create and environment in which
people are free to invent and create. That's the second one.
Vance: (6:56
PM) The man wants to challenge her on the essence of leadership
Vance:
(6:58 PM) Given balance, would you tip to push for output rather than
creativity?
ying: (6:58 PM) output?
Vance: (6:59 PM) She says they must
tip in favor of speed
ying: (6:59 PM) tip?
ying: (6:59 PM) suggest?
Vance: (6:59 PM) I think he means production vs creation; tip means to fall
in that direction
Vance: (7:00 PM) suggest means to tell someone you think
they should do something, but with little force
Vance: (7:01 PM) I listened
again but I don't think i heard the word evil
Vance: (7:01 PM) You'll have
to give me either a context or a counter number
ying: (7:01 PM) I might be
wrong... what was the first leader?
Vance: (7:02 PM) yes, the first rules
by force, he's feared
Vance: (7:04 PM) three kinds of leaders, evil leader
is he who men despise
Vance: (7:04 PM) good leader is he who men revere,
and you got the third one
ying: (7:05 PM) Thanks.
Vance: (7:05 PM) ok,
I'm off now. I'll email this to webheads, ok? This conversation.
ying:
(7:05 PM) sure
ying: (7:06 PM) my pleasure.
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