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| Vance | Maggi | John | Ying Lan | Marina |
| UAE | Germany | Puerto Rico | Taiwan | Italy |
The chats this evening took place in the following areas: Homestead | ICQ | HearMe
The online eclass got off to a rough start. Michael had gone out for New Years Eve and left Maggi and I to handle the crowds, the Palace was down, and Hear Me kept kicking us out. We tried Homestead and ICQ chat but were unable to get Ying Lan into either of those. Eventually HearMe settled down and we were all able to hold a conversation there, though I was unable to talk. Consequently, the recorded text chat is mostly me ‘talking’ in HearMe. When we were able to get back there, Ying Lan was discussing the importance of dictionaries when reading in a foreign language, and John and I proposed our theories of vocabulary acquisition. Maggi said Ming had told her she thought it was polite in all cultures to give and accept items with both hands, and I pointed out that in the one I live in, items are given and received with the right hand only. This got me talking about my experiences in Saudi Arabia, which in turn got us talking about cultures that were difficult to live in. Meanwhile, Ying Lan asked John if anyone had answered his email and when we finally saw the question, we realized she was volunteering to participate in his study. Just as we were about to break up, Marina reappeared after several weeks away in Paris, and she got our mouths watering by telling us what she was cooking for 10 people at her home as a special New Years Eve meal. Then we talked about what we would do for New Years Eve and of course we wished all Webheads, and everyone everywhere, a happy, peaceful new year.
You can jump from here to: Homestead | ICQ | HearMe
Connecting to chat server...
Connected and signed in.
You have joined the chat room as Anonymous19.
Members of room: Anonymous19
You have changed your name to Vance.
Anonymous6295 has joined the chat room.
<Vance> Hi guys. I'm trying to start chats in icq
Anonymous6295 is now known as Maggi.
<Maggi> It didn't work mwith me
<Maggi> neither did the Palace
<Vance> Did you see my icq chat summons?
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Anonymous91 is now known as John.
<Vance> This must be John
<Vance> yep
<Vance> YL says she can't get here either
<John> .Where's Ying Lan?
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You can jump from here to: Homestead | ICQ | HearMe
<John Henry> OK. I've never seen this chat before.
<Vance> ok, we've got it started now
<Vance> Maggi is in homestead and I'm trying to get Ying Lan here
<John Henry> I hope they can make it.
<Vance> I've just had to retry
<Vance> This is a decent chat client. One nice thing is it saves a log easily.
<Vance> No cut and paste
<John Henry> It seems better than the others I have been in.
<Vance> But I can't get YL or MAD here. The invitations are bouncing.
<John Henry> I'm turning on homestead
<John Henry> Hi, MAD
<MAD> Who is ...oh John...
<MAD> Wow this looks kewl compared to before
<John Henry> It sure does. I also like the fact that I can tell if someone is typing
<Vance> Yea! One more. Let me try YL again.
<Vance> I like that too.
<MAD> Ying made it back to hearme
<John Henry> I am disconnected from HearMe.
<John Henry> -back there again.
<MAD> like what?
You can jump from here to: Homestead | ICQ | HearMe
This is our second attemp to connect with Hear Me tonight. I lost the first part of our chat when I closed my browser in an attempt to reconnect - gvs
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Ying: My icq no. is 16500538
Vance: Hi
John: Hi Vance, Ying.
Vance: marijuana <Ying Lan has asked us to pronounce the word we discussed in the previous weekly chat - gvs>
John: Can't hear anybody for some reason.
Ying: hi. john.
John: Just lost my sound for some reason.
Vance: and I don't seem to be able to talk (no response to F9)
Ying: Maybe you need to restar your computer.
Ying: That's what I did.
Maggi: oh...well you still have fingers...lol
Ying: When I lost your voice.
John: Same here. Tried clicking Talk and no response.
Vance: Yeah, this can work.
Vance: But I can hear you.
Vance: Why not
Vance: mmmmpphhhh
Vance: eeek eyyeee eek
John: I can't hear anybody. Going to reboot and see if that helps.
Maggi: ok
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John: A simple disconnecting from and reconnecting to hearme helped.
Ying: If I don't use the dictionary, how can I learn English by myself?
Ying: I totally don't understand their words.
John: Native speakers do not understand everyword in a sentence.
John: You only need to understand the important words. Look at the context.
Vance: Words are like friends
Vance: First time you meet one, you don't always remember it
Vance: Next time, you remember it a little
Vance: Finally, it becomes your good friend. You always know it.
Vance: So ... this means you have to expose yourself to lots of language in order to meet more and more friends.
John: Right, Vance. Learning new words is not an instant operation.
John: One of the best ways to learn new vocabulary is to read.
Vance: I am now at the point with Arabic where I don't even take notes in class
Vance: I figure if I can't remember it, I'll just renew its acquaintance next time.
John: My Spanish teacher told me to read and read and read. And when I got tired of reading, to read some more.
Vance: If it's an important word, you'll meet it again.
John: He also sent me to the plaza (town square) to hold conversations with the guys there.
Vance: Exactly, when you start to read a book in a foreign language, you stumble at a lot of words
Vance: But later in the book, you've learned those words.
John: Sometimes the dictionary is important. But not very often.
Vance: Still can't talk ...
Vance: But I use a dictionary when I need to. I think it helps.
John: I never use a dictionary to look up how a word is spelled.
Vance: But I also read quickly and don't look up every word
Vance: I try to understand from context
John: I do, too, Vance.
Vance: If I'm reading a newspaper, I don't even have a dictionary. In a European language I can do that.
Vance: In Arabic it's pretty hopeless. I don't know enough words.
John: It's a joke, Maggi.
Vance: But knowing one word can sometimes give you a clue to another.
Vance: WHACK
Vance: I can't hear John or YL right now. ONly Maggi.
John: It comes from an old skit on how parents always send you to the dictionary to learn how to spell a word.
John: I just lost sound again.
Vance: Yeah
Vance: I can hear Maggi and YL
Vance: One of my browser windows froze.
Vance: I have learned a lot of Arabic
Vance: I can speak it ok.
John: Sound back - I can hear Ying and Maggi.
Vance: No, we have to speak to them in English
Vance: I taught 15 years in Arabic countries
Vance: I speak to people mainly when I'm walking in the mountains
Vance: In Arabic I mean
John: I speak English at school and Spanish out of school.
Vance: Sometimes. Depends on the shopkeeper
Vance: Also, the Arabs own the stores but the shopkeepers are often Indian or Pakistani
John: Spanish is much mor predominant
Vance: In the cities, English is the lingua franca of shopping.
John: Sorry more predominant. Oh, my spelling is horrible today.
Vance: But I was just in Oman today asking directions in the street, looking for gas stations, had to use Arabic
Vance: Educated people speak English, most people speak only Arabic
Vance: It's important in Japan to receive a business card with two hands.
Vance: Here, important to use the RIGHT hand.
John: Hear, even if an educated person speaks English, he/she usually prefers Spanish (for political reasons).
Vance: You don't take anything with the left hand.
John: Sorry, Here.
Vance: Wrong.
Vance: If you're left handed, don't mention it.
Vance: Who does that, YL?
John: Why only the right hand, Vance.
Vance: I disagree strongly
Ying: Malaysia people
Vance: Tolerance for ambiguity is rather low here.
Vance: I'm left handed. I just use the right hand same as everyone else does.
Vance: Same as here.
John: What do they have against the left hand? Yes.
John: I'm right handed.
Vance: Just as YL said. The right hand is used for eating and the left hand to clean away the result of the eathing.
John: Yes. I heard Ying, but I had already typed the message and was sending it.
Vance: It's a very strong rule in Saudi Arabia. You can be insulting by handing food or drink around with your left hand.
John: Maggi, I didn't catch that.
Vance: That's interesting. Maybe she just does it (hands things and receives with both hands)
John: OK.
Vance: In Saudi Arabia, you have to follow the rules or you are considered to be insulting
Vance: Being insulted
Vance: Well, they might just politely refuse to accept what it is you offer.
Vance: They may say nothing, and you find out later how badly you offended someone
Vance: Could be. Maybe they are changing. I lived there in 1976-1981.
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Vance: I lived in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia.
Vance: I enjoyed it, but I would never go back there.
Vance: There are too many rules against my way of life, the way of life of most people.
Vance: It's not a free country.
Vance: The Saudis are not so negotiable. Here they are tolerant and negotiable.
Vance: Saudi Arabia was a place you loved to get out of any chance you got.
Vance: And when you had to go back, you felt bad.
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John: Got disconnected from my server for a minute.
Vance: Must be Y2K
Vance: The real Y2K
John: Or my server needs some coffee.
Ying: good reason.
Vance: Oh, btw, Michael said he would be out celebrating tonight
John: So, where is everybody? When I was disconnected there was an interesting conversation going on.
Vance: It will be logged
John: I'll be out celebrating later.
Ying: You loved to get out of any chance you got...... that's mean you can not do anything in this country.
Vance: Me too
Vance: I wouldn't say you couldn't do anything
John: ???
Vance: We made our own beer and wine
Vance: We had parties
Vance: We went to the beach, went diving
Ying: celebrate what? Make suer you will be safe in the next century,.
Vance: At work, there were too many rules.
Vance: They kept your passport.
Ying: What did you mean... you loved to get out of any chance you got.
Vance: I mean, whenever we got a holiday, we were on the first plane leaving the country
John: Where was this, Vance?
Vance: We felt relieved when we got on the plane and got away from there, Saudi Arabia
Vance: Everywhere else, things were normal.
Vance: Suppose a child falls off a balcony and lands on your car. What do you think happens?
John: They through the body out?
Vance: They throw you in jail.
John: sorry - throw
Vance: They need to blame someone. It was your car.
Vance: God put it there.
Vance: God willed it. You're in jail.
Vance: If the child goes to the hospital, you are in jail until he gets out of the hospital
John: If God willed it, why not put God in jail?
Maggi: wow...I'd stay at home
Vance: Even here, there's a problem at hospitals. Doctors go to jail.
John: So would I, Maggi.
Vance: John, that kind of talk could get you executed in Saudi Arabia.
Maggi: I'd never be a dr
Vance: It's a problem. There was a doctor here who came on duty,
John: Thank God I'm not in Saudi Arabia.
Vance: actually came to work a few minutes early
Vance: walked right into an emergency, patient died, doctor went to jail
Vance: ha ha ha ha
Vance: It's what they think. There has to be blame.
Vance: If god wills it, if a person has a heart attack, just dies in his/her sleep, there is no blame
Vance: If he falls on you, it's your fault
Vance: If a doctor is intervening at the time of death, it's the doctor's fault
John: If it's my time to go, I wouldn't want anybody to go to jail for that.
Vance: Exactly. It makes no sense. This is why in Saudi Arabia, you are glad to leave for a while.
Vance: I said people here are negotiable. This happened recently in the UAE
Vance: It was in the papers and now I think they are making laws to adjust the situation
Vance: There are considering the difference between malpractice and circumstance
Vance: BUt in Saudi Arabia, they are less prone to make such distinctions
Vance: I'm not sure. I think the doctor was freed by the embassy or something like that
Vance: It was a British lady doctor
Vance: Or maybe a nurse just coming on duty, not sure
John: Yeah - That makes it worse for the doctor.
Vance: It does cause doctors here to take note, to consider what they should do in life threatening cases (avoid them?)
John: Speaking of women. We had an Egyptian professor who was suing the university. When he found out the judge was a woman, he made such a stink that we thought he would have a heart attack.
Vance: That's another big problem in KSA (Kingdom of SA)
John: Right. That helped us in our case.
Vance: Anyone who goes there with a wife ...
Vance: Yeah, women can't drive, for example
Vance: that's a big one. They have almost no rights.
John: So, how long did you stay there?
Vance: They can't travel without a male relative's ok
Vance: Even at the doctor's, speaking of pregnancy, they could talk to the doctor only through their husband
Vance: Bobbi didn't drive at the time so she didn't feel it so oppressively
John: Or so you think.
Vance: ALso, Bobbi is unusual, and she went out of the house one day and started walking into offices looking for work
John: She probably felt oppressed in other things.
Vance: Eventually she found something
Vance: Here in the UAE, she drives, she can travel as she likes, she can swim in a bikini
Vance: The UAE, and Oman, are free for women
Vance: relatively free, not completely free
Maggi: women are still 2nd class citizens?
Vance: In Saudi Arabia, when we were there, she did not have to veil. But now I think they do in KSA.
Vance: Men in this part of the world feel superior to women
Vance: In KSA, they are superior. They lock women up if they try to break away from their authority.
Maggi: I've had interesting discussions with people
Maggi: one young man in turkey is convinced...amazing he still talks to me
Maggi: it will backfire on them one day..
John: Why, Maggi?
John: (Why are you amazed?)
Maggi: you can't lord it over more than half the popultion forever
Maggi: oops...population
Vance: That's right.
John: But when will they finally learn?
Maggi: amazed because they have an answer and when they don't you are simply ignored
Maggi: when they don't have enough women to replenlish themselves
John: But if they can't escape. . .
Maggi: that basic biological reality is in their face
Ying: Do men read "playboy" In KSA?
Maggi: until they can clone themselves
Maggi: I bet they do
Vance: That's another thing about that country. So many things are forbidden, like ready Playboy.
Vance: But that just makes them want to do it more.
Maggi: forbidden but still to have
Vance: So Saudi's are notorious when they go abroad.
Vance: And of course the rich can get what they want in KSA.
Vance: But if they catch YOU with it ...
Maggi: uh oh!
Maggi: double standards
Vance: off with the offending organ!
John: So that explains the Saudis who were "drinking coffee" at the bar in Indiana.
Vance: (just joking there)
Maggi: alone they can do what they please here...together they have to careful
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Maggi: wow!
Maggi: what a ride
Vance: what are you riding, Maggi?
Maggi: cyberspace
Vance: Maybe you're the cause of our connection problems.
Vance: Whatever it is you're riding.
John: I had some Saudi friends in Indiana, PA who I kept finding in the bar. They said they were drinking Coffee.
Vance: I hope they were enjoying themselves
Maggi: Baily's
Maggi: Irish
John: They seemed to be.
Vance: Another funny thing is a lot of those guys go back home and then revert on super guilt trips
John: Maybe it was, Maggi. It was an Irish bar.
Maggi: it was then
Vance: They hate the west for what it's made them do.
Vance: I'm still noncom
Vance: Ah, you are fogetting the blame factor
Vance: The west is so seductive
Ying: They hate the west... because they can not be free like you guys. they are pretty jealous.
Vance: And when they get home, it's common for them to become very holy
John: Of course.
Vance: They hate us on the one hand, and eat McDonald's and wear western t-shirts
John: Yep, sure does.
Vance: Really, they like us. They just have to SAY they hate us if there's a crowd gathering.
Vance: But they really like us. We have a lot in common.
Vance: We help each other. We help them to organize.
Vance: And believe me, I appreciate living in their gentle society.
Vance: Known for what?
Vance: Organize writing things down, doing research
Ying: You appreciate living in their gentle society... what kind of gentle they have?
Vance: From my perspective, it's a very calm and peaceful place to be
Vance: My children are safe here.
Ying: No more gun?
Vance: No guns, no violence, little crime
Vance: I should say little. There are crimes.
Ying: Children might get a shoot in USA.
Vance: might get shot, true
Ying: shot
Vance: These people are basically honest, very service oriented
Vance: Their religion teaches them good values
Ying: We paied for that.. freedom.
Vance: I don't worry about that here. In KSA, you're always on the edge. Here, no such problems.
Vance: There's just something about relating to people here that is very refreshing compared to the states.
Vance: And on the flip side, noisy, drive like hell ...
Vance: Even in Europe. I like Germany a lot, always been treated kindly there.
Vance: In the states, forget service
John: In PR they do, too.
Vance: France?
Vance: I didn't want to say anything about the French ...
Vance: Once I was having dinner with some French friends and they were talking about how rude the Japanese could be.
Vance: And I said, yeah, they're worse than the French.
Vance: This got quite a reaction.
Vance: Actually, it's hard to get help in Japan.
Vance: If you're a foreigner.
Vance: That's true, YL.
Vance: It's a different kind of problem. You're right. If you can get someone's attention, they will be helpful.
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Vance: That's exactly right, YL. But if, because you can't speak Japanese, and can't read signs, you need help, it's a problem.
Vance: I'll tell you about an experience in Inner Mongolia I had.
Vance: I wanted to visit Genghis Khan's tomb 200 km from Hoehot.
Vance: the capital.
Maggi: well...that's a hot tourist destination....-)
Vance: So I went to the bus station and I just started talking.
Vance: I talked and talked and pretty soon I had a crowd aroundme.
Vance: No one could understand a word, but I kept it up until ...
Vance: Finally ...
Vance: someone stepped forward and was able to speak English.
Vance: This person taught me the kanji for my destination
Vance: So I was able to find the busses after that.
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John: Lost my connection again.
Vance: We're logging the chat, so you can read my side anyway.
Vance: It's going to look like a monolog
Maggi: and try to guess our side
John: Vance, do you know any way to record the voice portion of HearMe?
Vance: There is only one way I know
John: Nobody here seems to know anything about it.
Maggi: is that spelled right...looks funny
Maggi: here it comes..
Vance: You get a wire with a lead at each end that fits into the mic and headphone jacks of your computer
John: They said to put a tape recorder in front of my speakers - Yeah, one speaker is on top of my printer and the other is on top of my scanner.
Vance: Then you run a sound editing program like Sound Forge (XP version is $50) and record away
John: OK - a wire with a lead that fits into both jacks.
Vance: That's the trick
Maggi: like the hookup Stefan has to his stereo
Vance: Just one wire with the same kind of lead at each end
John: Oh, so there IS a program?
Vance: same kind of plugf
Vance: plug
Maggi: to record mp3's he downloaded from the net
Vance: There are many programs to record. Sound Forge is a very good one.
Maggi: he records direct from computer to stereo
John: So, when someone wants a voice interview I should be able to record it if I have that?
Vance: http://www.sonicfoundry.com
John: I'll have to get it, then.
Vance: You should then be able to record anything your computer is saying, including steaming audio
Ying: someone replys your email?
Maggi: Stefan doesn't use any softeware
Vance: Which email?
Ying: intervew for john's research.
John: Three have replied so far.
Ying: proposal
Maggi: he plays the mp3 on the computer and records it on the stereo
John: One said he prefers voice.
Ying: I want to reply your email... my email address is temproary.
Vance: You should help him, YL
John: I hope you will, Ying.
Ying: how?
Maggi: talk to him
Ying: May I join your interview?
John: All you have to do is tell me when and where.
Ying: Is it an application?
John: What do you mean by application? Request or Program.
Ying: OH, what kind of question will you ask?
John: They are divided into three categories. The first deals with your experience in using the Internet
Ying: What is the request? what is the program?
John: The second deals with your experience in studying English.
John: The third deals with your experiences in Webheads.
Ying: But it is hard to answer the question in English.
John: Sometimes computer programs are called applications.
John: You speak good English, Ying.
Ying: oh
Ying: NOt really.
John: You speak much much better than my students here.
Maggi: see!
John: This will also give you a chance to practice more English.
Ying: oh
Maggi: go for it Ying!
John: If you decide to participate, just send me an e-mail telling me what day and time, and where.
Ying: yes,
John: But please don't choose video conferencing.
Maggi: lol
Ying: sure,
Vance: why do you offer video conferencing, John?
Ying: felix... did that.
Maggi: he doesn't
Ying: right?
John: Because my dissertation director required me to.
Maggi: did Ying
John: Felix did what?
Maggi: tried video conferencing
Ying: Felix likes video conferencing....
John: My daughter does too. What I have against it is that I would have to buy a camera.
Vance: I hooked up with Felix once. He was able to see me but I couldn't see him.
Maggi: or use her computer
John: We were able to see our daughter once. But since I don't have a web cam. . .
Vance: They're pretty cheap aren't they?
Vance: I could do it fine if it weren't for our firewall
Maggi: Stefan got one
Maggi: but then you couldn't just get out of bed and plop in front of the screen
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Vance: yes
Vance: But I've got to go. I'm tying up my phone at home.
Ying: It is almost 10:00 pm here.
Ying: pretty late.
Vance: I'm not sure what Etilasat offers.
Vance: Haven't checked lately.
Ying: who is etilasat?
Vance: Etisalat is Arabic for 'communications'
Vance: It's the company that handles phones and internet
Vance: So, I'm going to bid you farewell
Ying: So..... it is time to say good bye.
Vance: But I guess we accomplished something
Ying: Happy New Year!!
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Vance: A nice conversation, and Ying Lan agreed to participate in John's survey.
Ying: Happy to be in 21 century.
Maggi: bye then! and a Happy New Year!
Vance: And Hi Marina. I guess I can't leave now.
Ying: hi, marina.
Vance: I will stay and say hi to Marina. Back from Paris?
Vance: I can't talk tonight. We keep getting bumped. Can you read this?
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Vance: Hi John (again)
Marina: I'm here again after a long time.Hi !!!
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John: Hi, all. My server went down again. Now I can't get into ICQ.
Vance: Yes, we missed you. So are you back in Italy now?
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John: Hello, Marina.
Vance: Is Marina talking?
Marina: I'm not in Paris, Vance. I was there just for one week in November.Now I'm at home in Rome.
Ying: <Type here to chat>
Vance: So she is.
Vance: Ying just came back on ICQ
Vance: Are you going to resume work, Marina?
Maggi: same to you
Vance: Same to you. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
John: I can't get into ICQ
Vance: Internet problems?
Maggi: Buon Natale
John: Merry Christmas Marina. And Happy New Year also.
Marina: Buon Natale a tutti!!!
Maggi: :-))
Vance: Thank you. You should write to the egroups and wish them a HappyNew Year
Maggi: é nuovo Anno...something is missing
Vance: felice?
Maggi: yep
Marina: Buon Anno.....
Maggi: but that is in Spanish
John: It's about time for me to go to the store for my wife
Maggi: felice Navidad
Vance: Is your wife at the store?
John: In Spanish it's Feliz Ano Nuevo.
Vance: ahh
John: No, she want's me to buy some milk and bread.
Vance: Thank you for resolving the ambiguity
John: Actually, the Ano above should have a tilde ~ above the n.
Ying: bye-bye john.
Maggi: bye John
Vance: See ya Jon
John: It can, but it takes me time to remember how.
Vance: John
John: Bye all.
Vance: byeeee
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Vance: I've got to go too. My son is here from California. It's a day off. We just got back from camping.
Maggi: bye Vance
Vance: Thank you, you too.
Ying: Sleeping... <Marina has asked what we're doing for New Years Eve - gvs>
Vance: Not sure, I have two bottles of champaign
Vance: My son wants to go 'clubbing'
Ying: Vance ,,, thank for talking to you.
Vance: What are you doing Ying Lan?
Ying: dancing?
Ying: sleep.
Ying: drinking?
Vance: Maybe, I think he wants to go to a party at a pub
Vance: Me? Does a fish like water?
Vance: Actually, I'm trying to cut back.
Ying: Vance , you like to drink beer.
Vance: I like a good dark, hoppy beer, yes.
Vance: Yeah, maybe it is. He speaks with a British accent.
Vance: That clubbing is dancing
Maggi: oh
Vance: There might be a band and there might be dancing.
Vance: There will surely be drinking
Vance: It's just getting dark here now.
Maggi: not bad...days can get longer now
Vance: I don't know. I'll have to ask Bobbi.
Vance: What about you, Marina?
Vance: Nine or ten in your family?
Vance: mmmm I love raclette!!!
Vance: racqulette??
Maggi: raclette here
Vance: All at your house? How nice.
Maggi: what are you cooking?
Vance: No help cooking?
Maggi: my mother can't cook very well
Vance: ok
Maggi: like a quiche
Vance: For those reading the logs, Marina is about to explain the special meal she is going to cook for 9 or 10 people at her house in Rome.
Vance: But I can't hear!!
Vance: For the new year.
Maggi: bano Marina
Vance: Ok, someone will have to send it to egroups. I can't hear a word.
Marina: bagnomaria
Maggi: sounds delecious
Ying: I can not open my eyes.
Maggi: delicious
Maggi: like a creme caramel but salty and with vegetables
Ying: I wanna to go...
Maggi: cake comes afterwaerd
Vance: I heard the last of it. It sounds delicious.
Ying: Happy new year !!
Maggi: afterwards
Marina: I'm going to send you the recipe by mail
Vance: Marina, send us a description of your meal
Vance: Yeah, send it to egroups.
Maggi: oh goodie...in Italian?
Vance: Maybe that's a good idea, share recipes
Vance: OK, Ying Lan, nice talking to you, or writing to you
Vance: hearing your voice again
Marina: Sure.That will be my present for webheads
Maggi: I have a pile in Italian...have to look if I have it
Vance: Marina, nice that you came online, nice to see you again
Ying: bye
Vance: Maggi, nice to hear from you as always
Maggi: bye Vance
Vance: And I've got to go (with Ying)
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