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| Vance | Michael | Maggi | John | Ying Lan |
| UAE | Australia | Germany | Puerto Rico | Taiwan |
The chats this evening took place in the following areas: The Palace | HearMe
It was the night before Christmas, and all through the house, some Webheads were chatting and clicking their mouse ... (and here's what they talked about ... )
You can jump from here to: The Palace | HearMe
Connecting to efi.virtualscholar.com:9998
Connected via TCP
*** Welcome to The Virtual School House Vance!
Vance: @64,64 !It's Vance
Mad: Hi
Vance: Hi. ICQ isn't working for me on this computer
Mad: oh...I'll tell John hen
Vance: I'm in the other two places
Mad: you get around lol
John: @64,64 !It's John
Vance: Howdy. Where you guys wanna rap?
John: Hi, ya'll.
Vance: If you want to preserve the chat, I recommend hearme
Mad: Ying just asked where we were...
Vance: We're everywhere! We're everywhere! We're everywhere!
Mad: I told her that already...
John: She said we could do both.
Vance: Well, it's easier if we pick a place
Vance: When do you start your interview, John?
Vance: interviews
John: I hope to start during the coming week.
John: Of course, that depends on how busy people are during this season.
Vance: It seems a bit silly to me all the paranoia about identities
Mad: get him while he is down with the flu...^.^
Vance: very american
John: Very IRB.
Mad: fact of life...
Ying-Lan: @64,64 !It's Ying-Lan
Vance: Internal ... Revolutionary ... ???
Vance: Hi Ying Lna
Mad: Hi Ying...
Vance: Lan
John: Something about nobody ever knowing who said what. It protects their emotional well-being.
John: Morning, Ying.
Mad: best that way...
John: Vance, IRB is the Institutional Review Board for the Protection of Human Subjcet
John: Subjects. All American universities have them.
Vance: I think the Webheads website doesn't comply with IRB standards.
Vance: We don't talk about it much, but everyone seems happy with it
John: But *you* don't have to. As the researcher, *I* have to.
Vance: Yes. I'm glad I'm not doing this as a US based project.
John: Even then, unless you were doing it as a formal university based research project, you wouldn't have to worry about the IRB.
Vance: That's good to know. I once got called out on my research methods in Oman. I was doing unobtrusive research on nameless subjects
John: So why should they call you out for it? Do they like obtrusive research?
Vance: I kept no records regarding identity, but my Hong Kong publishers were uncomfortable with the fact I hadn't told subjects they were being observed
Vance: To have told them would have defeated the whole purpose of non-intrusion
Vance: I found out what people did with my programs 'unobserved'
John: Well, there IS that. When to inform, and when not to inform is a big questions.
Mad: would you like being watched as a teacher or researcher without knowing it Vance?
Vance: Had they been 'observed' they might have acted differently
Vance: I was tracking data from files left on the computer, seeing what students were doing with the programs
Vance: And feeding the results into improving the programs, action research
Mad: duh...of course they would...who wouldn't
John: No "might have" involved. The WOULD have acted differently. The researcher effects the study just by doing the research.
Mad: like einstein proved observing something effects it
Vance: If people don't know they're being observed then they act as if they aren't being observed
Mad: do they?
Mad: that should be affect
Vance: Yes, they do. They do things you wouldn't know they would do if you told them they would be observed. They definitely would have acted differently. As it is, they did exactly as they pleased
Suddenly the Palace freezes up. Everyone retreats to Hear Me.
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Status: Connected
Vance has joined
John has joined
John: Morning, I'm having trouble talking today (voice problems).
Maggi has joined
Maggi: today it works!
Vance: what works
Maggi: hearme
John: I can hear you.
John: Right, my throat feels like sand paper.
John: It might give your computer a virus, too.
John: Except for a touch of flu, fine.
Vance: So shall we voice or text chat?
Ying has joined
John: Morning, Ying.
Ying: Hi ... Good morning
John has left
Maggi: favorite
John has joined
Maggi: favorite film
John: Sorry, got disconnected. Now I can't get back into the Palace.
Vance: Hello. My palace froze too
Vance: And Ying's name is green here, and I can't hear anything
John: Did Ying get my message about what my study is about?
Ying: That's good.. we can stay here..
Vance: I don't know
Ying: Not really... what is your reading?
John: Loud and clear.
Michael has joined
Vance: Yeah, you'd better tell her John.
John: Morning, Michael.
Vance: HI Michael.
John: Merry Christmas, Michael.
Michael: Hi everyone.
John: BTW Michael, every message I send to you bounces back.
Michael: 24 degrees again!
John: I heard there was a heat wave down there.
John: Sounds terrible.
John: The only fires we get down here are people-made.
Michael: Par for the course foe this time of year.
Ying: Dog?
Michael: The dog is freaked out by firecrackers
John: Your dog too? Mine ran into the house last night and hid in the bathroom.
John: There have been fireworks every night here, too. And they are illegal.
John: What is 24 in Farenheit?
Michael: About 75 John.
Ying: I like firework.....always be enjoy it.
Vance: double it, subtract 10%, add 32
John: 75 - That's about what it is here, too.
Ying: You are really good at math.
Vance: 48 -5 = 33 plus 32 = 65
Vance: oops 75
John: Who, Ying? If it is me, I just used my calculator.
John: That's a bit high. Never gets like that here.
Ying: You know how to calculate it... I don't know the formula...
John: 35 is about how we get here (95 Farenheit).
John: There was an American judge who said that even if you didn't believe in
John: Christmas, you still deserve a day off.
Michael: So that Taiwanese holiday is 26th December?
Michael: I mean 25!
Maggi: she is right
Michael: It's interesting how many non- Christian countries have other reasons to have hoildays at this time.
John: So, how did you work that into your contract?
Vance: it was just there
Ying: Michael... We have discussed this issue when I was in school... some people beleive it for Christian.
Michael: Chinese people in Australia can also get a day off here.
Michael: for Chinese new year.
Vance: when is Chinese New Year this year?
Ying: I check it ...
Ying: Jan. 24 , 2001
Ying: We get 8 days off ... from 1/21 to 1/28.
Ying: We have not seen ming for a long time.
John: in What?
Michael: lol
Vance: You found it before I did. I checked two web sites
Michael: John - pigeons is what I said! Ask V for more info
John: Would anybody admit it if they haven't?
John: Of course.
Vance: Ying Lan, the question is, "Has anyone here not smoked marijuana?"
John: I THOUGHT you said pigeons.
Michael: As in pidgin?!
Maggi: LOL
Vance: Maybe that was it
Michael: Pidgin is a non-standard form of English Ying.
Ying: I don't know about the work marijuana?
Ying: Pidgin?
Ying: word
John: It's a drug to get high, Ying.
Ying: I don't know where I can get marijuana.. I checked it from my dictionary.
Vance: cannibis sativa
John: Sounds good to me.
Ying: 30'
Ying: or 40'
Michael: hemp, ganja, tampi, dope are other names for it
John: I thought "dope" was any drug.
Ying: form 1931 to 1940 in USA
Michael: Yes John, but it some circles it applies to the drug of use at the time.
Michael: in some circles..
John: About as harmful as a rum and coke.
Ying: pretty for what?
Vance: I agree with John
Ying: harmful..
Ying: Drug is drug...
John: Ying, when we use the word drug here, we mean illegal drugs, not medicine.
Ying: I don't think it is a good way to get be high by drug...
Vance: That's a good point, too, John, but cannibis has been a legal drug at times in the USA
John: A few times, yes.
Vance: It used to be an ingredient in over the shelf drugs
Michael: Yes Ying - but sometimes taking marijuana can make you feel really good very quickly.
John: So was Cocaine.
Vance: and now it's used as a medicinal drug for chronic pain, depression
Michael: Marijuana is great for playing music.
John: How about alcohol?
Michael: Or listening to music
Michael: Alcohol is not good for playing music!
John: Not at all.
Michael: No Ying!
John: I know a lot of people who have no interest in that. I cannot understand people who MUST have alcohol to have a good time.
Vance: That's a crucial difference, John
Michael: A LITTLE bit of alcohol is good for you.
John: It's a crucial difference, but I know people who won't go anyplace if there is no alchohol.
Ying: I agree your point.. michael..
Michael: That's their problem John
John: I agree, Michael. I just don't understand them. I try to enjoy life under any circumstances.
Michael: Hic!
Michael: Hic!
Vance: Some people build dependencies more easily than others
John: I can't drink ay alchohol today - I'm on flu medicine.
Michael: Sorry to hear that John - what about tomorrow?
John: Depends on if I'm still medicated tomorrow. I have a bad case of the flu.
Vance: predispositions
Ying: I disagree about the drug is legal.
Michael: I'm not sure Vance....
Vance: I think drugs should be legal so that people who depend on them can get help legally
Ying: For the young children they can not tell what is good for them.
Michael: That's right.
Vance: I disagree. If you make it illegal you don't make it harder to get
Vance: You make it easier to get from the wrong people
Michael: Yes....
Ying: But it makes it's hard to get drug.
John: But young children get them anyway. They just arrested a group of 10 year olds for distributing drugs.
John: I haven't.
Michael: Nor me.
Ying: For me... I don't know where I can get the drug in Taiwan.
Michael: brb
Ying has left
Vance: I wonder if it were legal would ten year olds have to sell it?
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John: No, they wouldn't have to sell it, Vance. I'm just mentioning that keeping it illegal doesn't keep it out of children's hands.
Michael: I'm sorry to leave in this middle of this discussion ...but I need to talk to my wife about our big day tomorrow...
Ying: What's the big day tomorrw?
John: OK, Michael. Have a Merry Christmas.
Michael: Christmas Day!!
John: I'm baking a ham tomorrow.
Michael: Goodnight all.
Michael has left
John: I think they like it because it is illegal.
John: Including the Police.
Maggi: what is forbidden is more atractive
John: Cigarettes, ok, but alchohol?
John: You can also tax it if it is legal.
Vance: Good point John. And use the money for social problems of adicts
John: Right.
John: Smoking is frowned on socially here.
John: I heard of a town in the US where it is illegal to smoke on the street. Don't remember the name, and don't know if it is true, but it was on C-SPAN.
Vance: What's my point? I don't think you CAN really suppress what people are going to do with laws.
John: No, you can't.
Vance: So the law is fighting a losing battle.
Vance: With our tax dollars, and a lot of ruined lives
Vance: So why not direct those tax dollars into schemes that HELP the people with the problems, rather than penalize them.
John: My granddaughter just woke up. She'll be in here trying to bang on the keyboard soon.
Vance: Cigarettes is a good example. There is a lot of effort going toward educating people about the problem
Vance: penal system
Vance: penalty
Vance: penalize
John: People who smoke here are looke down on. I've heard both pronuciations, Ying.
John: Here in Puerto Rico it is illegal to smoke in public buildings - except Bars.
John: We are not even allowed to smoke in our own offices. I don't go to bars at all.
John: I used to smoke cigarettes, but quit over 15 years ago.
John: I was smoking 3 packs a day.
John: Have a Merry Christmas, Vance. Unfortunately it looks like rain here today.
Ying: Oh...have a nice day...
John: See you next week.
John: Bye Vance.
Maggi: bye Vance
Ying: I add one sentece..
Ying: sentence
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