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Webheads chat logs from December 24, 2000

Meet the people in the chat today

Vance Michael Maggi John Ying Lan
UAE Australia Germany Puerto Rico Taiwan

The chats this evening took place in the following areas: The Palace | HearMe

It was the night before Christmas, and all through the house, some Webheads were chatting and clicking their mouse ... (and here's what they talked about ... )

You can jump from here to: The Palace | HearMe

Palace logs

Connecting to efi.virtualscholar.com:9998

Connected via TCP

*** Welcome to The Virtual School House Vance!

Vance: @64,64 !It's Vance

Mad: Hi

Vance: Hi. ICQ isn't working for me on this computer

Mad: oh...I'll tell John hen

Vance: I'm in the other two places

Mad: you get around lol

John: @64,64 !It's John

Vance: Howdy. Where you guys wanna rap?

John: Hi, ya'll.

Vance: If you want to preserve the chat, I recommend hearme

Mad: Ying just asked where we were...

Vance: We're everywhere! We're everywhere! We're everywhere!

Mad: I told her that already...

John: She said we could do both.

Vance: Well, it's easier if we pick a place

Vance: When do you start your interview, John?

Vance: interviews

John: I hope to start during the coming week.

John: Of course, that depends on how busy people are during this season.

Vance: It seems a bit silly to me all the paranoia about identities

Mad: get him while he is down with the flu...^.^

Vance: very american

John: Very IRB.

Mad: fact of life...

Ying-Lan: @64,64 !It's Ying-Lan

Vance: Internal ... Revolutionary ... ???

Vance: Hi Ying Lna

Mad: Hi Ying...

Vance: Lan

John: Something about nobody ever knowing who said what. It protects their emotional well-being.

John: Morning, Ying.

Mad: best that way...

John: Vance, IRB is the Institutional Review Board for the Protection of Human Subjcet

John: Subjects. All American universities have them.

Vance: I think the Webheads website doesn't comply with IRB standards.

Vance: We don't talk about it much, but everyone seems happy with it

John: But *you* don't have to. As the researcher, *I* have to.

Vance: Yes. I'm glad I'm not doing this as a US based project.

John: Even then, unless you were doing it as a formal university based research project, you wouldn't have to worry about the IRB.

Vance: That's good to know. I once got called out on my research methods in Oman. I was doing unobtrusive research on nameless subjects

John: So why should they call you out for it? Do they like obtrusive research?

Vance: I kept no records regarding identity, but my Hong Kong publishers were uncomfortable with the fact I hadn't told subjects they were being observed

Vance: To have told them would have defeated the whole purpose of non-intrusion

Vance: I found out what people did with my programs 'unobserved'

John: Well, there IS that. When to inform, and when not to inform is a big questions.

Mad: would you like being watched as a teacher or researcher without knowing it Vance?

Vance: Had they been 'observed' they might have acted differently

Vance: I was tracking data from files left on the computer, seeing what students were doing with the programs

Vance: And feeding the results into improving the programs, action research

Mad: duh...of course they would...who wouldn't

John: No "might have" involved. The WOULD have acted differently. The researcher effects the study just by doing the research.

Mad: like einstein proved observing something effects it

Vance: If people don't know they're being observed then they act as if they aren't being observed

Mad: do they?

Mad: that should be affect

Vance: Yes, they do. They do things you wouldn't know they would do if you told them they would be observed. They definitely would have acted differently. As it is, they did exactly as they pleased

Suddenly the Palace freezes up. Everyone retreats to Hear Me.

You can jump from here to: The Palace | HearMe

HearMe logs

Status: Connected

Vance has joined

John has joined

John: Morning, I'm having trouble talking today (voice problems).

Maggi has joined

Maggi: today it works!

Vance: what works

Maggi: hearme

John: I can hear you.

John: Right, my throat feels like sand paper.

John: It might give your computer a virus, too.

John: Except for a touch of flu, fine.

Vance: So shall we voice or text chat?

Ying has joined

John: Morning, Ying.

Ying: Hi ... Good morning

John has left

Maggi: favorite

John has joined

Maggi: favorite film

John: Sorry, got disconnected. Now I can't get back into the Palace.

Vance: Hello. My palace froze too

Vance: And Ying's name is green here, and I can't hear anything

John: Did Ying get my message about what my study is about?

Ying: That's good.. we can stay here..

Vance: I don't know

Ying: Not really... what is your reading?

John: Loud and clear.

Michael has joined

Vance: Yeah, you'd better tell her John.

John: Morning, Michael.

Vance: HI Michael.

John: Merry Christmas, Michael.

Michael: Hi everyone.

John: BTW Michael, every message I send to you bounces back.

Michael: 24 degrees again!

John: I heard there was a heat wave down there.

John: Sounds terrible.

John: The only fires we get down here are people-made.

Michael: Par for the course foe this time of year.

Ying: Dog?

Michael: The dog is freaked out by firecrackers

John: Your dog too? Mine ran into the house last night and hid in the bathroom.

John: There have been fireworks every night here, too. And they are illegal.

John: What is 24 in Farenheit?

Michael: About 75 John.

Ying: I like firework.....always be enjoy it.

Vance: double it, subtract 10%, add 32

John: 75 - That's about what it is here, too.

Ying: You are really good at math.

Vance: 48 -5 = 33 plus 32 = 65

Vance: oops 75

John: Who, Ying? If it is me, I just used my calculator.

John: That's a bit high. Never gets like that here.

Ying: You know how to calculate it... I don't know the formula...

John: 35 is about how we get here (95 Farenheit).

John: There was an American judge who said that even if you didn't believe in

John: Christmas, you still deserve a day off.

Michael: So that Taiwanese holiday is 26th December?

Michael: I mean 25!

Maggi: she is right

Michael: It's interesting how many non- Christian countries have other reasons to have hoildays at this time.

John: So, how did you work that into your contract?

Vance: it was just there

Ying: Michael... We have discussed this issue when I was in school... some people beleive it for Christian.

Michael: Chinese people in Australia can also get a day off here.

Michael: for Chinese new year.

Vance: when is Chinese New Year this year?

Ying: I check it ...

Ying: Jan. 24 , 2001

Ying: We get 8 days off ... from 1/21 to 1/28.

Ying: We have not seen ming for a long time.

John: in What?

Michael: lol

Vance: You found it before I did. I checked two web sites

Michael: John - pigeons is what I said! Ask V for more info

John: Would anybody admit it if they haven't?

John: Of course.

Vance: Ying Lan, the question is, "Has anyone here not smoked marijuana?"

John: I THOUGHT you said pigeons.

Michael: As in pidgin?!

Maggi: LOL

Vance: Maybe that was it

Michael: Pidgin is a non-standard form of English Ying.

Ying: I don't know about the work marijuana?

Ying: Pidgin?

Ying: word

John: It's a drug to get high, Ying.

Ying: I don't know where I can get marijuana.. I checked it from my dictionary.

Vance: cannibis sativa

John: Sounds good to me.

Ying: 30'

Ying: or 40'

Michael: hemp, ganja, tampi, dope are other names for it

John: I thought "dope" was any drug.

Ying: form 1931 to 1940 in USA

Michael: Yes John, but it some circles it applies to the drug of use at the time.

Michael: in some circles..

John: About as harmful as a rum and coke.

Ying: pretty for what?

Vance: I agree with John

Ying: harmful..

Ying: Drug is drug...

John: Ying, when we use the word drug here, we mean illegal drugs, not medicine.

Ying: I don't think it is a good way to get be high by drug...

Vance: That's a good point, too, John, but cannibis has been a legal drug at times in the USA

John: A few times, yes.

Vance: It used to be an ingredient in over the shelf drugs

Michael: Yes Ying - but sometimes taking marijuana can make you feel really good very quickly.

John: So was Cocaine.

Vance: and now it's used as a medicinal drug for chronic pain, depression

Michael: Marijuana is great for playing music.

John: How about alcohol?

Michael: Or listening to music

Michael: Alcohol is not good for playing music!

John: Not at all.

Michael: No Ying!

John: I know a lot of people who have no interest in that. I cannot understand people who MUST have alcohol to have a good time.

Vance: That's a crucial difference, John

Michael: A LITTLE bit of alcohol is good for you.

John: It's a crucial difference, but I know people who won't go anyplace if there is no alchohol.

Ying: I agree your point.. michael..

Michael: That's their problem John

John: I agree, Michael. I just don't understand them. I try to enjoy life under any circumstances.

Michael: Hic!

Michael: Hic!

Vance: Some people build dependencies more easily than others

John: I can't drink ay alchohol today - I'm on flu medicine.

Michael: Sorry to hear that John - what about tomorrow?

John: Depends on if I'm still medicated tomorrow. I have a bad case of the flu.

Vance: predispositions

Ying: I disagree about the drug is legal.

Michael: I'm not sure Vance....

Vance: I think drugs should be legal so that people who depend on them can get help legally

Ying: For the young children they can not tell what is good for them.

Michael: That's right.

Vance: I disagree. If you make it illegal you don't make it harder to get

Vance: You make it easier to get from the wrong people

Michael: Yes....

Ying: But it makes it's hard to get drug.

John: But young children get them anyway. They just arrested a group of 10 year olds for distributing drugs.

John: I haven't.

Michael: Nor me.

Ying: For me... I don't know where I can get the drug in Taiwan.

Michael: brb

Ying has left

Vance: I wonder if it were legal would ten year olds have to sell it?

Ying has joined

Ying has left

Ying has joined

John: No, they wouldn't have to sell it, Vance. I'm just mentioning that keeping it illegal doesn't keep it out of children's hands.

Michael: I'm sorry to leave in this middle of this discussion ...but I need to talk to my wife about our big day tomorrow...

Ying: What's the big day tomorrw?

John: OK, Michael. Have a Merry Christmas.

Michael: Christmas Day!!

John: I'm baking a ham tomorrow.

Michael: Goodnight all.

Michael has left

John: I think they like it because it is illegal.

John: Including the Police.

Maggi: what is forbidden is more atractive

John: Cigarettes, ok, but alchohol?

John: You can also tax it if it is legal.

Vance: Good point John. And use the money for social problems of adicts

John: Right.

John: Smoking is frowned on socially here.

John: I heard of a town in the US where it is illegal to smoke on the street. Don't remember the name, and don't know if it is true, but it was on C-SPAN.

Vance: What's my point? I don't think you CAN really suppress what people are going to do with laws.

John: No, you can't.

Vance: So the law is fighting a losing battle.

Vance: With our tax dollars, and a lot of ruined lives

Vance: So why not direct those tax dollars into schemes that HELP the people with the problems, rather than penalize them.

John: My granddaughter just woke up. She'll be in here trying to bang on the keyboard soon.

Vance: Cigarettes is a good example. There is a lot of effort going toward educating people about the problem

Vance: penal system

Vance: penalty

Vance: penalize

John: People who smoke here are looke down on. I've heard both pronuciations, Ying.

John: Here in Puerto Rico it is illegal to smoke in public buildings - except Bars.

John: We are not even allowed to smoke in our own offices. I don't go to bars at all.

John: I used to smoke cigarettes, but quit over 15 years ago.

John: I was smoking 3 packs a day.

John: Have a Merry Christmas, Vance. Unfortunately it looks like rain here today.

Ying: Oh...have a nice day...

John: See you next week.

John: Bye Vance.

Maggi: bye Vance

Ying: I add one sentece..

Ying: sentence

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