Webheads chat logs from September 24, 2000

Meet the people in the chat today


Vance	Maggi	Michael	Ying Lan	John	Sophie
UAE	Germany	Australia	Taiwan	Puerto Rico	Cyprus

Marina was away in London or Paris today ...

Today we had a picture of everyone who was in the chat. All the people above were there. Maggi and I were first to arrive before noon GMT, but the Palace was acting erratic and I was having problems with my computer at work. None of our students were around so I shut down and went home and when I got back online I found Maggi in the Palace and she and Ying Lan in the HearMe chat. Ying Lan had left the Palace because she wanted to use the voice chat, so we talked for a bit until Sophie appeared in the Palace. As I tried to say hi, all my connections froze one by one, so I had to reboot.

I returned to Hear Me to find that Michael, John and Sophie were there as well as Maggi and Ying Lan. I also found that every time I pressed F9 to speak, my computer told me its sound recorder was already engaged. I couldn't see where that could be happening, but I didn't want to exit and fix it because Sophie was also having a speaking problem, and for this reason we were using the text chat for most of our conversation. The logs today are from that part of our session. Ying Lan was telling everyone about a movie she had seen where a woman had met a man she had met on the Internet and been kidnapped by him ...

Sophie thought it might help readers to know what was happening in the voice chat, so she has tried to assist by sending annotations to our logs. Her comments are in italics .

Hear Me text chat logs

Michael has joined

Maggi has joined

John has joined

Sophie has joined

Ying has joined

Status: Connected

Vance has joined

Ying: Sometimes, I visitied the lovecity.com... I can not udnerstand their weight and tall...

Sophie: Hi

Ying: Hi.. sophie.

Maggi: Hi

Sophie: How's everyone?

Michael: Hello Sophie.

Ying: Only read their words...

Sophie: Hi Mike, Ying

Vance: Hi I lost my collection

Vance: my connection

Sophie: Can't use my headphones

Michael: Ying - what is lovecity.com????

Ying: It is a website for people to find someone to make friend...

John: Hi, Sophie. I've been text-only before and usually seem lost.

Sophie: what Guys!!!! excellent I can hear you VERY well

Vance: Hi, yeah I an't get a word in edgewise

Sophie: oops apart from Vance that is

Vance: and I couldn't hear Michael first time around

Michael: Great Sophie!

Vance: So Hi Sophie, I saw you arrive at the Palace

Sophie: HI Vance

Sophie: Iin Greece? (reacting to something said in the voice chat where the word Greece was used - commentary is Sophie's)

Michael: Where do you live John? - Greece - OK.

Sophie: who's that?

Vance: John Lives in Puerto Rico

Sophie: Yes!! I can hear everyone

Vance: Except me. I can't say anything

Sophie: smiles

Michael: OK! Sophie is in Cyprus - yes?

Sophie: yes

Sophie: I can't talk either vance

Michael: This is a good time to start rumours about Vance!

Vance: Funny, when I try to talk, I get a mesage Recording device in use

Vance: Do you see that message?

Sophie: hhehe

Ying: No, I don't.. for Vance

Vance: That's a long story, started in a coffee house as I recall (reacting to maggi and Michael mentioning a story....?)

Sophie: was that ducks????????? (reacting to the word ducks mentioned in the voice chat)

Michael: Maybe you need to reboot Vance?

Sophie: ????

John: Maggi, I really don't know where they do or do not use the Metric System. I just go on what I hear or read.

John: If one pound is 2.2 kilograms??? I weigh 440 kg (doesn't seem right to me)

Vance: I just did. I'm coming in clean

Michael: Vance - how tall are you?

Vance: Oh, hey MC, I put those two files at prohosting and Maggi was able to hear you

Michael: The witch/which files?

Vance: Yep

Sophie: Is there someone here from greece? jack?

John: I live in Puerto Rico.

Ying: I could not hear the witch/which rm file.

John: I got the which/witch files.

Sophie: Sophie: oh well many people put the two together (Maggi in the voice chat had said she usually confuses Greece and Cyprus)

Vance: good, hard to tell who can get it. I can't get any real audio here most of the time

Sophie: well, same religion, language customs even national anthem

Sophie: ooopps who put his foot in it (Michael in the voice chat has just said that half Cyprus is Greek and the other half Turkish - comments, Sophie's)

Sophie: NOOOOO

Vance: I think it's all Cypriot, isn't it?

Sophie: Thre is one Cyprus but half is occupied by turks

Sophie: !!!!

Michael: IIII

Sophie: it has been invaded in 1974

Sophie: NOO

Sophie: Cyprus was one state

Sophie: but was invaded in 1974

Sophie: Thre are still Turkish troops on the other side

John: I remember when it was invaded.

Vance: What do the people in Northern Cyprus think about Turkish occupation?

Sophie: ONly one state is recognized worldwide

John: (yeah, I'm that old)

Sophie: sorry?

Sophie: No not really

Vance: She'd have to fly to Istanbul, right?

Michael: Are you able to visit the Turkish side of Cyprus?

Sophie: Nut if signed a document accepting that they are legally there, maybe they would let me

Sophie: highly unlikely

Sophie: Not never been there

Michael: I see.

Sophie: my dad is a refugee

Sophie: he lost all his property

Michael: What do you mean?

Michael: Where is he?

Sophie: my dad and his family lived in a village which is now occupied

Sophie: they ran away during the invasion

Sophie: they cannot go back

Sophie: otheres live in their house

Michael: Is this your home village?

Sophie: a

Sophie: my dad's

Sophie: I never lived there

Sophie: I suppose it is my village too

Vance: Were you with them in 1974?

Sophie: my grandpa will probably die without seeing his home again

Sophie: No, I was in England

Sophie: My sisters and dad were in cyprus

Vance: But you said you had never been there ...

Sophie: I was lucky never to have lived through a war

Sophie: was where?

Sophie: I never lived there but I visited often

Sophie: all my dad's family had to start from scratch, living in tents

Sophie: This was an invasion

Maggi: I remember it too John

Vance: Why were you away in England?

Sophie: Turkish troops are illegaly holidng the rest of Cyprus!!!

Sophie: For medical reasons I have spent a lot of my childhood in the UK

Maggi: at least you were safe there

John: I've had friends who lived through wars. I hope I never have to.

Vance: There were refugees from south to north too, weren't there?

Sophie: Although it is difficult to solve and gets more difficult as time goes by

Sophie: this is the truth

Sophie: Turkish Cypritos were asked to move to the other side

Sophie: that was before the war and they formed little clusters

Vance: I've been there and one of the most startling things is the guarded wall that runs through Nicosia

Sophie: However, they were not forc4ed to

Ying: I am sorry. I need to go now.

Ying: See you next week .

John: So long, Ying.

Sophie: There are Trukish cypritos who have never went to the other side and are still living with us

Michael: OK Ying. Till next time.

Sophie: Bye

Vance: ok, ying lan. Sorry I can't talk and say goodbye in my beautiful voice.

Sophie: Ying]

Maggi: I saw Sue yesterday and she said to say hello

Michael: (smiles at V0

Michael: at V!

Maggi: ;-)

Vance: Yeah, Maggi, SOME people like my voice!

Vance: You might have implied it, not sure ...

Maggi: did I ever say I didn't?

Michael: You have a fine voice Vance. It's just that American accent thing....

Ying has left

Maggi: lol

John: What's wrong with the American accent?

Vance: Yeah, I try sometimes to talk strine just to impress people

Michael: Nothing. Absoulutely nothing!

Maggi: nothing unless you are from Oz

Michael: Exactly Maggi!

Maggi: strine?

Vance: Australian accent is a fine accent

John: Oz is in Kansas, right?

Vance: strine, I mean

Michael: You jest John...

Vance: Yeah, and they speak strine in oz

Maggi: not realloy...

John: That's where I always thought it was. Did the characters all talk with a Kansas accent?

Michael: Oh - that Oz.

Maggi: Only the Wizard is in Kansas John

John: Where's the other Oz?

Vance: At the Palace, where MIchael is a wizard, he's known as ...

Maggi: Australia

John: O.K.

Vance: ... as ...

Michael: We often refer to Australia as Oz. As in Oztralia

Maggi: he's an Ozzie

Vance: He's a wizard

Michael: Or Aussie.

John: Ah, yes. I seem to recall hearing that term before.

Maggi: like in OzzieandHarriot...LOL

Vance: He's the WIzard of ...

Michael: And I'll accept the Wizard titlle.

John: Id?

Michael: lol

Vance: That's it, the Wizard of Id

Vance: Very good John, you got it

John: Sophie. The Wizard if Id is a cartoon that runs in American newspapers.

Sophie: I see

Sophie: hehe

Vance: Do you know the wizard's wife in the Wizard of Id?

Vance: She's fat and ugly

Michael: lol

Sophie: Well, they are the centre of the world these days with the Olympics

Vance: So one day one of the king's guards comes to the Wizard's house ...

Vance: and he says ...

Michael: She can hear this!!!!

Maggi: oops...

Vance: One of the king's dancing girls is in jail and they want you to replace her

Michael: lol

Sophie: oops

Vance: And she says, "what time do I go on?"

Vance: And the guard says, "Be at the jail at 8 sharp."

John: Never met her, but I know who you mean.

Vance: yap

Vance: I can type faster than I can talk

Vance: You must have missed it

Sophie: I'm still waiting

Michael: lol

John: By the way, Maggi. You were mentioning the two HearMe sites at this location. . . I had to click on Australia to get here.

Vance: One of the queen's dancing girls is in jail

Sophie: well, Vance....

Sophie: yes

Vance: The king wants the wizard's wife to replace her

Sophie: aha

Vance: She thinks, to be a dancing girl, of course

Maggi: that is the problem John

Michael: You said all this before!

Sophie: yes

Vance: So she says what time do I go on?

Vance: And the guard says be at the jail at 8 sharp

Vance: get it?

Vance: huh??

Sophie: oh, I see

Michael: Nope!

Vance: ha ha ha

Sophie: yes, I got

Sophie: it

Maggi: hmmm

Vance: ha ha ha ha ha ha

Vance: sorry, I'm laughing so hard ...

Sophie: got it got it

Vance: You'll just have to read it in the logs

Vance: I'm NOT going to tell it again

Vance: ok, maybe just one more time

Vance: naw, just kidding

Michael: And there you can give an explanantion!

Sophie: guys the King whants the queen to replace the dancing girl inprison

John: Sorry, I didn't get it either.

Vance: I just DID

Sophie: so that he gets back the dancing girl!!

Vance: THat's right! Who are these people I hang around with?

John: Oh, Now I see.

Sophie: hehe

Michael: Let me read it again...

Sophie: Michale!!!

Sophie: Michael!!

Michael: (sorry Sophie)

Sophie: By the way Michael, Michali is the Greek version of your name

Michael: I can be a bit thick sometimes!

Vance: So what does everyone think about John's research project?

Sophie: what's ther esearch project?

John: Michael, your voice is breaking up on my speakers.

Vance: I can't hear John at all

Sophie: No, I can hear Michael fine

Maggi: John is not so clear

Michael: Sorry about the voice problem John.

Vance: I intend to put his proposal on the web so you can see it Sophie. Just haven't had time.

Sophie: But John's voice is breaking up

John: Thank you, Maggie. I'm going to test my microphone now.

Michael: Nothing coming through John.

Vance: Basically he wants to interview some of our students

Sophie: nothing

Sophie: oh, right

Vance: I suggested he interview us first, so we could get an idea of what he wanted to do

John: Anybody hear me? Michael, I think it may be my speakers are bad.

Michael: And research Webheads is just part of John's project right?

Vance: (actually we'd be interviewing him)

Michael: Is the framework collaborative learning?

Sophie: Is it part of a degree programme?

John: Right, just part. And it is not really researching Webheads, itself, as much as it is researching how students feel about learning over the internet.

Vance: It's hard to pin people down on serious topics in these venus

Vance: venues

John: It is for my PhD

Sophie: oh

John: (my dissertation)

Vance: I think our students must feel pretty good about it.

Vance: We get good vibes and testimonials

Sophie: so you have to look around for more students learning inndifferent Internet environments and with different appllications, right?

Vance: and people vote with their modems in this game

Michael: How many students do you intend to interview John?

John: Your students, yes, but what about others. I'll be interviewing from other locations, also. I hope to interview a total of 15 students (not all from the same place.

Vance: that's right Sophie. Right now the Internet is what the 'computer' used to be

Vance: Everyone wanted to know if computers could help you learn anything, languages ...

Vance: But it turns out it's not the computer, it's what you do with it.

Sophie: yeah...

Vance: Same with the Internet

Sophie: of course

Michael: It would be interesting to get a cross section of 100% online learners and those who are working in mixed mode....

Vance: But it's apples and oranges .. doing WHAT in mixed or pure online mode

Maggi: learning

Michael: Using the Net as a resource, as a collaborative tool.....

Vance: It's the software, the seamlessness of the medium, the personalities involved, the expertise

John: I originally though of mixed modes (face to face and online) but my committee told me to stick with just online learning.

John: Oh, this is a qualitative study.

Michael: ...as place to post assignments, conduct discussion,,,,,,

Sophie: well you ca't get answers to all with one study but you have to start somewhere

Vance: So you are looking at pure online interactions, no f2f

John: That is correct.

Vance: THat's us

Michael: ...there is significant research showiung that bthe most effective is OL and face to face combined.

Sophie: where are you studying John?

John: I'm studying at Indiana University of Pennsylvania.

Sophie: ok

Maggi: I've noticed that too....

Sophie: will anybody be in St Louis?

Michael: ...and more and more OL courses are requiring a f2f component.

John: My dissertation advisor is Michael Williamson.

Vance: What if someone were studying f2f and augmenting that study with pure online, like MaggiE.

Sophie: guys?

Maggi: ....and I started doing it in one company

Vance: I'm actually thinking to take a break from TESOL this year

Sophie: have you decided Vance?

John: I would like to go to St. Louis (my hometown) but my studies take all my finances.

Michael: St Louis is where TESOL will be this year (2001?)

Sophie: not to go?

Sophie: yes, Michael

Sophie: Is it nice John?

Michael: OK

John: My questions would only be related to the online part.

Sophie: I think I am going

Vance: I have to think back. In the last 20 years I've missed maybe one conference

John: I always enjoyed St. Louis.

Sophie: and this is going to be the second one.. WoW!!!

Sophie: maybe you can give us some tips

Maggi: I wonder if conferences are sometimes like meetings..-.

Michael: Good Webheads slush funds send me to St Louis to represent us all????

Vance: Most likely. I like the ones where you can do some skiing

John: I'll send some tips to all of you by e-mail Sophie.

Vance: You can take all the slush funds Michael

Michael: I mean 'Could Webheads slush funds....

Sophie: Thank you john

Michael: Thanks V. Send em over!

Maggi: slush...slush..:-)

Sophie: I think it should be great

Vance: Also, if the Cyprus thing is a go, then it's easier for me to get away for that if I don't go to St. Louis

John: For what it's worth, stay out of North St. Louis.

Sophie: so if any of you guys are going let me know

Vance: I just emailed them Michael

Michael: Ta!

Sophie: well, now I have to say don't go to St. Louis Vance...

Sophie: : (

John: By the way, Vance, do you know a Joe Roland?

Michael: Electronic transfer of funds - very efficient.

Vance: no, don't think so

John: I was told he is teaching ESL at your place.

Vance: Yes, the number is the acct no. of the swiss bank where the slush funds are kept. Help yourself.

Michael: (smiles)

Vance: At the MLI in Abu Dhabi?

Sophie: OK now that the funds are all gone we might as well break this up

John: Sorry, I thought you were with the University of Adu Dhabi.

Sophie: What's the point now????

Michael: Love Sophie. Love!

Vance: University of Abu Dhabi?

Sophie: winks at Michael

Vance: Don't worry Sophie, we can always get lots more slush funds

Maggi: now it is free love...

Sophie: Can't wait

Michael: Now you're talking...

John: That's what I was told. The person may have been mistaken. I'll have to ask her husband to be sure.

Sophie: I'll get a hat going round at TESOL

Michael: LOL

Michael: Yeh -show eveeryone our cute pictures.

Sophie: Was fun - as always

Sophie: Now, I have to go and catch up on the Olympics

Maggi: always is

Sophie: By the way, today I had just come in from the sea

Michael: But they've finished for the day Sophie.

Sophie: it was absolutely lovely

Maggi: I have to correct test papers

Vance: lucky you, where did you go

Sophie: well, we watch a lot of recorded stuff over here

Sophie: larnaca

Vance: I remember Paphos. The castle

Michael: I see.

Sophie: larnace is OK usually but today it was superb

John: My granddaughter just arrived. I'm going to have to sign off now.

Maggi: time difference mc

Vance: ah, yeah, that's where the airport is

Sophie: bye John

Vance: Whay made it superb

Maggi: bye then John

Sophie: yes, that's the airport

Vance: OK, John, nice to see you again

Michael: See you next time John.

John has left

Sophie: the weather was great, the sea so wonderfuly clean, the waters so still......

Vance: the food, the wine?

Sophie: today no food at the sea

Michael: the dancing girls?

Maggi: most of the Olymics are recorded here mc cause not many can stay up all nicght every night

Vance: the jail?

Sophie: today I had lunhc at my mum's where she cooked game

Sophie: My dad goes hunting

Michael: Hunting what?

Sophie: We had hare and partridge and other poor birds which I did not toucj actually

Maggi: what did he catch?

Sophie: but it is supposed to be special

Sophie: Hares

Sophie: partridge, and other poor birds - I really don't remember their names

Michael: Eat what you catch.....

Vance: hmm, my neighbors used to keep rabbits which they'd let run loose in their yard

Vance: One day we found some ears in our flower beds

Sophie: Really, thisd wasn't fresh game but because the hunting season is starting they had to empty the fridge

Sophie: hence the party

Vance: something to do with our cat, I think ..

Maggi: igit!

Sophie: I stuck with the stuffed vegetables and the salad

Vance: Sounds nice. So they got back on their feet in Larnaca.

Michael: I'm with you Sophie.

Sophie: smiles

Sophie: My parents, Vance?

Vance: yeah ...

Sophie: Well my dad's amily sort of stuck around Nicoisa in various areas

Sophie: but the village itslef is spread around Cyprus so they don't see each other often

Sophie: it is difficult for the older people who used to have all their friends togethre

Sophie: now they just sit home isolated from each other

Vance: Americans take this disruption for granted. But I can see where that's very important for people who've lived together for generations.

Sophie: It is exciting when people win generally

Sophie: did you see denise lewis win today?

Sophie: Vance

Sophie: you know they used to sit together older people with their friends

Sophie: no need to to drive or anything just walk next door

Sophie: WoWW!!!

Sophie: you don't know!!!

Vance: I've visited lots of places where people live like that

Sophie: talk about patriotism

Sophie: She's just won the eptathlon

Sophie: No, she's British

Sophie: But seven events

Sophie: seven

Vance: I'm thinking to reboot and see if I can talk on return.

Sophie: It's OK

Vance: There's that implication again ...

Sophie: stay here to keep me company Vanxce

Sophie: Vance

Michael: lol

Vance: Good thing we're not you ...

Michael: Yeh..

Sophie: Yeah

Sophie: i'm watching it now

Sophie: The belgian woman is still ahead

Sophie: haha

Sophie: never mind

Sophie: No, I really find out from the radio and BBC and all but then we watch it

Sophie: sometimes we wtch some live bits

Sophie: What about the Mexican

Sophie: poor thing

Sophie: the one that won?

Sophie: and then was told he was disqualified?

Vance: I've hardly watched it at all

Sophie: he was celebrating around the stadium?

Sophie: excuse me?

Sophie: yes

Sophie: but they should have told him earlier

Vance: what rules

Sophie: They had him clebrating and running ..

Sophie: gold metal

Vance: yikes

Sophie: poor thing

Sophie: yes

Vance: Sophie, hold off writing just a second. I want to grab the logs. OK?

Sophie: Surely you heard of StephenRedgrave??

Vance: So I can reboot but keep the discussion.

Sophie: Michael patritism and all but surely you've heard of him?

Sophie: yes!!!!

Sophie: yeah!!!!

Sophie: wonderful

Vance: Yeah, even I heard of him

Sophie: He;s also got diabetes

Sophie: 38 years old

Sophie: absolutely WoW!!

Sophie: but this is 20 years getting gold, imagine?

Sophie: He's now the best Olympian athlete ever

Sophie: male menopause???

Michael: Now now Sophie!

Sophie: hehe

Sophie: they do

Sophie: hehe

Sophie: my GP says so

Sophie: maggi!!!

Vance: And women have womenopause, right?

Vance: Yeah, I can't leave to reboot

Sophie: menopause (plain)

Sophie: wel, really I got to go

Sophie: I've fallen behind on so many deadlines

Vance: Boy me too

Maggi: bye Sopie...

Sophie: bye guys

Vance: Bye, nice to see you all

Sophie: kisses

Vance: hugs

Maggi: hugs

Sophie: ciao

Maggi: ciao

Michael: Bye from the Olympic country!

Sophie has left

Vance: the ONLY person who got my joke !!!

Michael: There there..

Michael has left

Vance: spater

Vance: talk away

Vance: I wanna grab these here logs

Vance: yeah, me too

Vance: Thanks. See you round

Vance: bye

Maggi has left

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