Webheads chat logs from April
15, 2001
Meet the people in the chat today
When we spend so much time in voice chat, there is not much for the
other Webheads to read about afterwards, so I thought I would try something new
today. I will tell you here what we talked about and invite you to join in our
discussions.
We are fortunate in our chats to have people present from so many
different countries. A unique aspect of the Internet is that it crosses borders
without visas and puts us in touch with people like us from all parts of the
world. When these people come together they can talk without concern for what
their governments would have them believe. Each person in the chat realizes
that his or her view is biased by each country's media coverage of events we
talk about, but the people in our chats try hard to see around the bias and
understand each others' point of view.
In this chat we had Ying Lan from Taiwan, Moral from Kunming, China, and
Vance and Maggi, American expatriates (living away from their native country).
As usual we talked about a lot of issues. I'd like to mention them here and
invite you to comment.
- Ying Lan told us that a university in Taiwan had been raided recently
by police. Police arrested students who were found to have downloaded mp3 files
from the Internet. Ying Lan said in Taiwan software piracy was a big problem.
You can buy pirated cds in the night markets there. Vance thought that selling
other people's work was wrong but that artists should want their music to be
heard even if people didn't pay for it, that they should make money in other
ways (performances, songbooks) and not expect people to pay to listen to their
music (for their own use, not for resale). Others in the group thought this
might be unfair to the artists. What do you think?
- When Moral arrived we talked about the US surveillance plane (spy
plane) that collided with a Chinese jet, causing the death of its pilot. Moral
thought the US government was too abrupt at first about the loss of life and
seemed to want only its plane and crew back. In the West of course, we've seen
films of Chinese pilots flying wing to wing with the slower planes and it's
easy to see how an accident could happen even with the larger plane on
automatic pilot, as we've been told. Basically it comes down to what we've been
told by our governments. The US government tells us that all countries carry
out 'surveillance' flights along each others' borders, including the Chinese,
so this was nothing unusual, but Moral pointed out, what if this plane had been
forced to land on American soil (actually, we're also told that Russian
'surveillance' planes have had to land in Alaska, and the crew are fed and sent
on their way). In any event, it seems to me to be a good example of governments
trying to manipulate the opinion of their people, and how differently things
can appear from where each of us stands (but in spite of that, we are still the
same as people as we were before the incident). What do you think, from where
you stand?
- We also talked about corruption in China and elsewhere in the world.
Maggi didn't think people should be put to death for this as they are in China.
Toward the end of the chat, I had to leave for a moment, but when I got back,
the others were talking about relations between China, India and Tibet.
So if you were at the chat, what else did we say, and what was your
viewpoint? If you missed the chat, what do you think about these issues? We'd
love to hear from you,
Vance
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ICQ logs
[We're all talking in the voice chat. Vance sees Felix come online
and sends him the location of our conversation.]
Vance 4/15/01 5:05 PM
http://www.excite.com/communities/chat/voicechat/rooms
Vance 4/15/01 5:05 PM Go! Webheads
Vance 4/15/01 5:06 PM Then log on as a guest
Grisham 4/15/01 5:06 PM on my way
Vance 4/15/01 5:07 PM great
Grisham: (5:20 PM) it doesnt open
the voice chat.. WHat a shit!
Vance: (5:21 PM) bummer! Well we're at homestead and also Tapped In. I
prefer tapped in, and Moral can get there as well. Want to go there?
Grisham: (5:22 PM) what is the wwww?
Vance: (5:23 PM) http://www.tappedin.org
Vance: (5:25 PM) Try this one for
full instructions
http://www.vancestevens.com/findbuds.htm#tappedin
Vance: (5:32 PM) Still there
Felix?
Grisham: (5:32 PM) yes,,, and it's also not working..
I only have the blue banner on top of the page.
Vance: (5:34 PM) Hmmm, not a good day for you. Then would you like to
try the Palace or Homestead?
]a few minutes later, he seems to have connected ...]
Grisham: (5:41 PM) how can I go to VanceS's offcie?
Vance: (5:41 PM) are you there? Ok, type /join vances
Grisham: (5:44 PM) I am there but I dont see any of you
writing
Vance: (5:44 PM) oh, sorry, joining you now ...
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Tapped In logs
MoralL arrives from nowhere.
MoralL's personal recorder follows
MoralL to here.
MoralL says, "Hi! Vance."
VanceS says, "Hi"
MoralL
has lost his link.
MoralL arrives from nowhere.
MoralL's personal
recorder follows MoralL to here.
MoralL says, "hi, Vance."
VanceS says,
"Hi I'm nor paying a lot of attention to this one."
VanceS asks, "Are you
still at excite?"
MoralL says, "yes."
[Vance joins Moral at the voice chat. Felix arrives after being
talked in on ICQ.]
Felix [guest] arrives from nowhere.
Felix [guest] says, "Hi
there"
Felix [guest] asks, "Is this also a Voice chat?"
VanceS says,
"Hi there."
Felix [guest] says, "hi"
VanceS says, "I'm sorry, I was in
other windows"
VanceS asks, "So how are you?"
Felix [guest] says, "ok
Vance."
Felix [guest] asks, "Vance is this only a chat room? not a voice
chat one?"
VanceS says, "Moral and Ying Lan are discussing corruption in
China."
VanceS says, "No, just text chat."
Felix [guest] says, "I
only see Maral."
VanceS says, "The voice chat we have now is the excite
chat room"
VanceS says, "We're using it now."
Felix [guest] says, "aw
ok"
VanceS asks, "What was the problem you were having?"
Felix
[guest] says, "Vance wanted do wish you all a Happy Easter."
Felix [guest]
says, "I have no idea."
Felix [guest] says, "I've gotta go. My kids just
arrived here"
Felix [guest] says, "See you around Vance."
VanceS
says, "Well nice to see you a moment."
VanceS says, "Happy easter to you
and a hug for your kids."
Felix [guest] says, "thanks"
Felix [guest]
says, "bye"
VanceS says, "Moral and Ying Lan are speaking Chinese now"
VanceS says, "Bye"
VanceS has disconnected.
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