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Chat with students Bridgett from Jamaica, Felix from Brazil, and Moral from China, and teachers Maggi, Michael, and Vance |
This chat was unusual because there were people in the voice chat without microphones, so the text chat there was used more than usual, and therefore you can follow the conversation fairly well in the voice chat text-chat log. The chat was also unusual in that we reached a decision. We decided to find a way to give every Webhead a t-shirt. Also, Vance worked with Felix to help him use the concordancer in Hong Kong to solve a problem given him by an overzealous English teacher. (See the ICQ chat for more on that.)
Jump to: The Palace chat, the Voice Chat, or the ICQ chat
Connecting to efi.virtualscholar.com:9998
Connected via TCP
*** Welcome to The Virtual School House Vance again!
Vance again: @64,64 !It's
Vance again
Vance again: Hi
Maggi: hi
Vance again: Hi, I'm just
checking out hearme. Have you got that
running as well?
Maggi: can do in a
gig=ff
Vance again: a giga ff? What happened to my facial material. You aren't wizzing again, are you?
Maggi: nope
Maggi: you did somethi
g
Vance again: nevermind
Vance
again: I sent you an ICQ message
...
Maggi: sent you one
Vance again: Can you get me
a beer while you're at it?
Maggi: it will have to
be virtual for you
Maggi: you're at work
Vance again: Yeah, but I'm
in after hours time now.
Vance again: I've been
working since 7. I got "off"
an hour ago.
Maggi: oh
Maggi: so how do you
like me in 3 places at onece?
Vance again: Well, I'm in 4,
including homestead. Looks like Choi
isn't coming.
Maggi: I could go to
homestead too but that might be an overdose
Vance again: Yeah, anyway
I've got that on one of my distant computers.
I might fall out of my chair.
Maggi: tsk tsk...at
least you have padding to fall on...:-)
Vance again: This is what my
conferences are like except with the added dimensions of multiple participants
and having to explain to people what I'm doing and why ... whew
Maggi: sounds like
something up my alley
Vance again: be glad when
the present spate is done!
Maggi: I can imagine
Maggi: relax for now
Vance again: Hi Moral. Maggi and I are in all the chat places. How are you today?
Maggi: Hi Morzl
Vance again: Morzl?
Maggi: oops
Moral: @64,64 !It's
Moral
Maggi: Hi again Moral
Moral: Hi everyone.
Maggi: change of
keyboards Vance
Vance again: Hi Moral, hi
Mzggi
Maggi: the a is close
to the z...on the other one it is where the y is
Vance again: Thzt's ok, I
understznd.
Maggi: funny
Vance...:-)
Vance again: Moral, you said
in your email you talked to Jo in the Palace, who was using my name. I wonder who that was.
Maggi: your alter ego
maybe?
Moral: i don't know
who he was.
Maggi: maybe a she
even?
Moral: he just told me
he was for your city and also an english teacher.
Maggi: Well...thzat's good enough
Vance again: In my
city? Maybe it was someone at the
conference at the computer I was using.
Maggi: how's the
weather where you are Moral?
Maggi: Summer came
early here...
Moral: the weather is fine. it's about 25 and no
clouds.
Vance again: Came early here
too. It's in the 30's here I think.
Maggi: 30 here
Moral: where are the
rest of webheads? in the readme chatroom?
Maggi: no
Vance
again: No, these days they are
coming late.
Vance again: It's ok,
usually we just stay and meet with them.
Maggi: enjoying life
more
Vance again: Did you just
set your clocks forward or back?
Moral: Maggi, how did
install readme?
Maggi: we went forward
Maggi: just got the
newest Netscape
Moral: does readme
need some other software?
Maggi: no
Vance again: hearme?
Vance again: what's readme?
Moral: sorry readme.
Moral: the voice
chatroom on michael's homepages.
Maggi: you just have
to click on the high risk and accept
Moral:
Vance again: That's HearMe
... are you trying to work it? Maggi
and I are both there.
Moral: i can't make it
with voice. but let me try again.
Vance again: If you can
connect then you can hear us and you can type n the text chat.
Moral: I only can use
the text chat on HearMe.
Vance again: That's ok. Michael is there now and we're talking to
him.
Maggi: you can follow
with text Moral..
Moral: i am trying.
Vance again: We're waiting
and we can also chat here.
Maggi: I'll talk to you
here Moral
Vance again: Are you having
any problem with the ... ah, there you are
Vance again: So you made
it. Great!
Vance again: Hi Moral, you
got back
Vance again: Hi Moral. Are you losing your connection?
Moral: my connection is not stable vance.
Maggi: Moral can you
here them...?
Vance again: Hi. Maggie, is Moral still here?
Maggi: no
Jump to: The Palace chat, the Voice Chat, or the ICQ chat
And people are also going back and forth between the Palace and the voice chat!
Status: Connected
Vance at MLI has
joined
Status: Disconnected
Status: Connected
Vance has
joined
Maggi has
joined
Vance: who
me?
Maggi: ok
Maggi: gottcha
now
Maggi: you
didn't say which text chat...
Vance: Yeah,
it's confusing.
Maggi: nice
color
Maggi: not
confusine tome
Vance: Have
you got a really ugly and obtrusive banner ad with the palace btw?
Maggi: no
Maggi: I have
an older version on the laptop
Vance: I've
got an awful one. Keep that one.
Maggi: well...I
downloaded the new software but seem to have difficulties registering
Vance: So, where
are all our little darlings? All this
preparation for them
Maggi: maybe
they have the same glorious weather as here
Vance: The
new palace? Do you have your number,
like X1X!-QD5R-GH5UH
Vance: Mine
is in that pattern
Maggi: I icq'd
dave to ask but they have given me new ones
Vance: Why
don't you just re-register? Actually
for our purposes, guest will do, but you might not be a wiz! HA
Maggi: looks
fancy
Maggi: oh
yeah...I have a few codes up my sleeves
Vance: go
around it/
Vance: ?
Maggi: I have
connections to Rtoger remember.
Vance: alright!
Maggi: anyway...the
other stillo works
Maggi: have
to get used to a German keyboard again
Vance: I
wonder if Roger can do something about this banner ad
Maggi: he
probably could
Maggi: but
then again it may support the whole thing
Vance: It
comes right across the top part of the palace screen, interferes with controls
Vance: It
leaps back into place if you try and move it
Maggi: seems
new members are not asked to pay for membership as before
Vance: It's
the most obnoxious I've ever seen, stays on top too
Maggi: I
don#t get that on my laptop or other computer
Vance: The
prohosting banner campaign was a blow to some friends of mine
Vance: The
banner appears in each frame
Vance: I've
got a friend who had 4 frames on his pages
Vance: each
one now has a banner, a mess
Maggi: I will
have to play with it later...but I wasn't able to get the taskbar to open other
Palaces yet.
Vance: For me
to open a palace I have to move that banner ad aside and then get one before it
bounces back
Maggi: hmmm...something
to write Rog3r about
Maggi: Active
Worlds put me off...
Vance: really? Why?
Vance: Michael
and Maggie and I had a nice tour.
Maggie has to study today btw
Maggi: I went
to the Red Planet and came across a bunch of kids shooting each other up.
Vance: Naw,
you gotta stay away from those places
Vance: The
idea is to build a place like at our happy home in the Palace
Vance: It
would have coordinates that only we would know about
Maggi: yeh,
but it shows what is happening and it isn't pretty
Vance: no
dropins
Vance: what
were they doing?
Maggi: Moral
is there
Maggi: they
were shooting each other
Vance: Yeah,
he'll probably come to the Palace
Maggi: ok
Maggi: but
the whole thing is disgusting
Vance: Well,
like what exactly was disgusting?
Vance: Shooting
each other up, you mean drugs? Or guns?
Maggi: read
in the IHT that the 2nd in command in the NRA says he is qa bosum buddy of Bush
Maggi: guns
Vance: figgers
Vance: What,
gore?
Vance: Worse
than tv?
Maggi: Bush
will need to backtred but he can't distance himself from this one.
Vance: sounds
like he gone shot hisself in the foot har har har
Maggi: Then I
had some Christians on icq who hunt...
Vance: Whaddu
they hunt? Romans?
Maggi: when I
said that it shouold be a fair fight and maybe go back to bow and arrow the
wife said he always missed.
Maggi: I said
good for the deer
Maggi: but
she likes deer meat
Michael has
joined
Michael: lol
Maggi: Hi
Michael: Is
that you Moral?
Lan Dao Yi: Hi.
it's me.
Michael: Nice
to see you here!
Maggi: can
you here us?
Maggi: hear
Lan Dao Yi: nice
to see you michael
Lan Dao Yi: i
can't hear.
Michael: (thanks
for the correction Maggi!)
Vance: Oh,
too bad.
Michael: OK.
then we can text chat with you.
Vance: Can
you open your volume control?
Maggi: sure
thing
Lan Dao Yi: does
it need realplayer?
Vance: no
Lan Dao Yi: it's
not the problem of the volume.
Lan Dao Yi: i
think.
Maggi: the
guys are talking about boring stuff anyway
Vance: Can
you hear other sounds from your computer?
Lan Dao Yi: I
think so Vance.
Vance: Do
you want to test it?
Lan Dao Yi: yes,
how?
Vance: Can
you open anything with sound?
Michael: Go ahead
Maggi - tell the joke!
Vance: tremble
tremble
Michael: YES!!!!!!!
Lan Dao Yi: I got
this message: Hi Vance.. I am doing a search on/about Possessive Case... My
English College Teacher wants an academic report about it.. Any ideas where I
can find it in an "academic basis"? (I think Felix has sent this message to the
wrong person at this point - Vance)
Lan Dao Yi: my
sound system works fine.
Lan Dao Yi: i
reload this page.
Lan Dao Yi has
left
Lan Dao Yi has
joined
Maggi: Hi...
Vance: Hi
have you got sound?
Lan Dao Yi: Hi! it
doesn't work still.
Michael: It
must be a firewall problem.
Maggi: well
at least you still have text
Lan Dao Yi: I
think so but i'll keep trying.
Vance: It's
ok. Felix is thinking to join us. He doesn't have speakers either.
Vance: Do
you get any error messages?
Lan Dao Yi: Ok, we
can have text chat here.
Lan Dao Yi: No, I
didn't .
Maggi: why
not?
Lan Dao Yi: i
heard voxphone is very good.
Vance: Yeah,
also Bridgett is around too.
Felix has
joined
Vance: voxphone?
Vance: Hi
Felix.
Maggi: Hi
Felix
Vance: It's
Felix. He's a bit dingy.
Lan Dao Yi: yes, a
voice chat software.
Michael: Evening/good
day Felix.
Lan Dao Yi: Hi,
Felix!
Felix: Thanks
all
Michael: So you
have no sound today Felix?
Felix: I am
dumped with reports to be done... snif snif
Vance: Michael
can't reach the Palace, so this is a good meeting place today.
Michael: School
reports?
Felix: right
MC.... I brought my puter home to try to finish my reports.
Felix: yep mc
Vance: And
he has a question for all us English teachers
Michael: I
remember those days of report writing.....
Vance: brb
(nature)
Felix: But
the problem is that I can't find anything
Bridgett has
joined
Vance: Hi
Bridget
Maggi: Hi
Brigett
Lan Dao Yi: Hi
Bridgett.
Vance: Hi
Bridgett, can you hear us?
Michael: What
can't you find Felix?
Felix: so,
does anyone here know where I can find The Genitive Case in an academic basis?
Michael: This
is similar to what Moral needs!!!
Maggi: what
for?
Lan Dao Yi has
left
Moral has
joined
Felix: My
English Teacher wants it But in an academic basis...
Vance: What
do you mean, in an academic basis?
Felix: I mean
the complex rules....
Felix: THe
ones found in a grammar for native spearkers.
Felix: speakers
Maggi: oh for
pity's sake why?
Maggi: most
native speakers don't follow those rules
Vance: Let's
see, what is Genetive case?
Felix: Because
I am studying to get a graduation in English and Portuguese Maggi
Maggi: with
the s Vance
Vance: You
mean s possessive?
Maggi: yep
Vance: So
we need possessive in an academic basis?
Felix: so?
Vance: Used
in an academic context you mean?
Maggi: well
there isn't much to know
Felix: I know
Maggi... But a college assignment is a college assignment
Maggi: This
is Tom's car
Maggi: thqat's
genetive
Moral: what
is possessive? grammar?
Felix: right
Vance
Maggi: yes, that
ikky stuff Moral
Felix: Jesus's
ways.....
Michael: Possessive
and genitive are names for the same thing.
Vance: OK,
I have an idea. Visit the concordance
site in Hong Kong
Maggi: so
what do you want? the rules?
Vance: choose
an academic corpus
Felix: Right
Vance
Vance: and
search it for 's
Felix: Where
Vance?
Michael: That's
a good idea - but it won't provide explanations.
Felix: The
Genitive case is the same as the possessive case Maggi
Vance: Does
he need an explanation?
Felix: yes..
I need the explanations
Michael: Well
if they have to report on it then it would help... yes i thought so.
Bridgett: HELLO
Maggi: the
rules you mean?
Felix: The
teacher wants a fragment for a text and then the rule about it
Maggi: it is
pretty straightforward.
Michael: So do
you two - Felix and Moral - both have to do the same assignment?
Vance: Is
this a case of teachers copying from each other?
Maggi: if a
word ends in s then the 'comes after
Felix: I
don't think so Vance.. We live so far away
Vance: Just
joking Felix
Maggi: Tess'
car
Felix: This
is the basic rule Maggi
Maggi: spo
what are looking for Felx?
Moral has
left
Moral has
joined
Felix: If I
had a good library here I am sure I would find it
Maggi: Moral
is popping in and out...:-)
Moral has
left
Maggi: I have
a book Felix...tell me just what you need
Moral has
joined
Felix: ...........
Moral: what
asignment Michael?
Felix has
left
Michael: Maybe
I'm confused. I thought you had to do an assignment too. I think earlier Vance said
you were doing it but it's obviously Felix.
Vance: So,
Felix, did we solve your problem or do you still have it?
Michael: http://www.chariot.net.au/~michaelc/
Moral: Felix
left.
Vance: That's
a url where Michael has some of his music
Vance: You
can hear MC play guitar at that site.
Michael: Moral
- would you buy a Webheads t-shirt?
Vance: We're
talking about how we can make a Webheads t-shirt
Michael: We're
asking Bridgett if she'd make us all a webheads t-shirt!
Michael: Snap!
Maggi: Michael
is so good at ignoring superfluous nonsense....
Vance: Hi
Moral. Are you getting anything out of
this?
Maggi: a
no-nonsense man
Michael: lol
Moral: Michael,
are you selling T-shirts now/
Moral: ?
Maggi: They
are discussin it Moral...
Moral: I was
checking settings.
Michael: No
Moral - but we're talking to Bridgett about making a t-shirt for us. Do you
like that idea?
Maggi: Bridgett
can maqke them in Jamaca
Moral has
left
Moral has
joined
Michael: No
Bridgett - you could design the logo?
Michael: Or OK
- a writing assignbment!
Vance: Moral,
we've just decided to make a logo for webheads
Michael: Moral
- do you know what a logo is?
Vance: We
want to (1) design a logo
Moral: yes I
know. the picture on T-shirts.
Vance: (2)
get Bridgett to design a tshirt with the logo
Michael: That's
it!
Vance: (3)
figure out some way to sell them at conferences
Moral: maybe
maggi shoud make them. :)
Vance: ((4)
give them to webhead students
Vance: What
do you think, Moral?
Moral: a
great idea.
Maggi: why do
you say that Moral? I am curious
Moral: women
are good at it. i think.
Michael: And
what would you put in a webheads logo Moral?
Moral: i have
no idea about it, Michael.
Maggi: because
we are more creative Moral?
Michael: No
ideas Moral?
Maggi: Give the
guy a break...he said he had no idea
Michael: Maybe
there'd be a computer somwhere? Or a web?
Maggi: how
tacky
Vance: A
beanie with a propeller
Michael: lol.....no!
Moral: yes,
you are artical.
Maggi: igit
Michael: (Maggi
means idiot - she's being rude to me!)
Maggi: Moral
is right
Vance: What
was that Moral?
Maggi: no I'm
not
Maggi: that
is the equivalent of puke
Maggi: igit I
mean
Bridgett has
left
Moral: i
can't catch up with you sometimes.
Maggi: we
jump around with ideas Moral...
Vance: Also,
we're not writing down everything we say.
Moral: Oh, i
know now.
Maggi: can
you hear anything Moral?
Moral: nothing
i hear maggi.
Vance: But
the main thing is we decided to make a tshirt
Vance: And
we decided to ask webheads to help design a logo
Moral: but we
are in different corners of the world.
Moral: people
don't what is that.
Moral: don't
know
Vance: Now
we're talking about Active Worlds
Maggi: well...what
would you like to see on the shirt Moral...
Moral: Webheads.
Vance: Some
teachers think it is a place where there's violence and bad content
Moral: in
some good-looking fonts.
Maggi: like
Moral?
Moral: :-)
Moral: Ok,
i'll leave for a while to check my setting on hearme webpages.
Vance: ok
Michael: OK
Moral - see you soon
Maggi: nice
to see you Moral...
Vance: see
you again soon
Maggi: that
isn' t what I meant
Moral has
left
Michael: lol
Vance: cyber
dust?
Michael: Ciao!
Michael has
left
Lan Dao Yi has
joined
Vance: Hi
Moral.
Vance: Maggie
has gone to get a beer.
Vance: I'm
talking to Felix in ICQ about his problem with the genetive case in academic
writing
Vance: And
you?
Maggi: Hi
Moral
Lan Dao Yi: Hi
everyone.
Lan Dao Yi: How
about the T-shirts?
Lan Dao Yi: Did
you decide to make?
Vance: Yeah,
that was interesting
Maggi: I think
they did
Vance: Bridgett
makes clothes for tourists in Jamaica
Vance: So I
think the t-shirt was her idea
Maggi: Bridgett
will work up a desin in the next few daqys
Vance: But
first we have to have a logo.
Vance: We
decided to ask webheads what should be in the logo
Maggi: I'm
going to close the Palace now Vance, ok.
Lan Dao Yi: Sounds
interesting!
Vance: That
was a loud pop (when she closed the Palace)
Lan Dao Yi has
left
Moral has
joined
Vance: So
the next writing assignment will be to ask everyone to write what they want in
the logo
Maggi: sorry
Vance: From
that, we'll try to get Bridgett to design one, or maybe she'll have made it by
then.
Maggi: she is
investing time and money in this...
Maggi: we
should find a way to make it worth her while
Moral: Well...
I've got to leave now. I'll check my Hearme setting.
Moral: See
you Maggi and Vance!
Maggi: ok...have
a nice evening Moral...:-)
Vance: OK
the next step will be to produce and ship the tshirst and get them to webheads
Vance: for
free we hope
Vance: because
we'll sell them to teachers
Vance: taht's
what we decided.
Vance: OK,
Moral, nice talking to you.
Maggi: see
you soon...for another interesting discuswion...>:-)
Maggi: discussion
Moral has
left
Jump to: The Palace chat, the Voice Chat, or the ICQ chat
Sr.
N 5/7/00 4:42 PM Hi Vance.. I am
doing a search on/about Possessive Case... My English
College Teacher wants an academic report about it.. Any ideas where I can find
it in an "academic basis"?
Vance 5/7/00
4:49 PM Hi Felix. Come to the voice chat and we'll talk about
it.
Sr.
N 5/7/00 4:49 PM I brought my computer
home and I didnt bring my speakers along
Vance 5/7/00
4:51 PM Well, Moral is there,
and he doesn't have sound either, so you can text chat with us.
Sr.
N 5/7/00 4:51 PM ok.... I am in
my way
Vance 5/7/00
4:52 PM on your way
Sr.
N 5/7/00 4:53 PM hehehe small
things make the big difference
Vance 5/7/00
4:53 PM In that case yes,
because In my way means something else.
Sr.
N 5/7/00 4:55 PM what does it
mean?
Vance 5/7/00
5:00 PM On my way means I'm
coming. In my way means, get out of my way, you're in my way.
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:00 PM awwwwwwwww
Vance 5/7/00
5:01 PM Is that what you wanted
to know?
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:02 PM yep
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:20 PM Vance, where can
I find a Corpus?
Vance 5/7/00
5:22 PM I'll get you the url
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:22 PM thanks
Vance 5/7/00
5:25 PM http://vlc.polyu.edu.hk/scripts/concordance/WWConcappE.htm
Here's the site. On the site, you
select a corpus. That means a body of
text to do the search in. If we go to
the site together, I can help you.
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:26 PM I am ON my way
to the site. hehe
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:27 PM it's open now..
and?
Vance 5/7/00
5:27 PM I'm there now
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:28 PM i have lot of
options and i am completely lost
Vance 5/7/00
5:31 PM ok, change search string
to "contains"
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:31 PM then?
Vance 5/7/00
5:33 PM in the box right of
contains put 's
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:34 PM done and now?
Vance 5/7/00
5:35 PM select corpus, let's
choose Language and teaching
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:36 PM ok...... and?
Vance 5/7/00 5:37 PM let's sort left. That way the same words will line up together
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:37 PM and?
Vance 5/7/00
5:39 PM OK, we've got search
string contains 's in the corpus Language & teaching, sort left ok, that's
is, Search for concordances
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:43 PM it opens a lots
of sentences... and now?
Vance 5/7/00
5:43 PM Did you get it? 829 occurances of genetive uses in academic
context.
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:45 PM yep.. But my
question is.... Can't I get a whole parapraph... Because there, we can find only
a sentence for each concordance.. I would like to put a parapraph of a text in which
contains for example....... Jesus's...... (The rule that says about Greek names)
and then I would write the rule and explanation about it.. Can't I do that?
how?
Vance 5/7/00
5:52 PM Felix, sitting here
talking to Maggie. She's SO
distracting. Anyway, the thing about concordances
is you have ALL THESE EXAMPLES of what you are trying to explain. You have data to back whatever explanation
you come up with. I am a teacher who does not explain to students. I point students to examples and I say,
there they are, what do you make of that. But if you like, we can look at a few
more closely together.
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:54 PM i would like
vance
Vance 5/7/00
5:55 PM
61 ed,
Hermione Lee examines the book's lasting popularity, and Sophia Cha
62 lain at the war.) Part of the book's pleasure is that it's about girls w
63 ot amused by the manner of his book's publication,
however, and spent th
64 ct. I think the reason for the book's resonance
is that it presents girl
These
examples. Some people say that we shouldn't
say object's in academic writing. We should say the quality of the object
Vance 5/7/00
5:56 PM popularity of the book
for example. But here we have 4
examples of object's quality. That's interesting (to me) - it means what we say
is the rule is not always followed. Therefore it's not necessarily a rule. But from all this data you could make a few
rules if you wanted.
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:57 PM you got the
point but for example.. in line
61... I
would like the whole paragraph and then
I would put in bold the possessive case.... got it? is that possible?
Vance 5/7/00
5:58 PM It would be possible
with other concordance programs but not with this web based one. But why do you need the whole
paragraph? Therelevant part is:
Hermione Lee examines the book's lasting popularity
Sr.
N 5/7/00 5:59 PM the teacher
wants it... But I found out that if you click on the 's in blue it will give you
part of the parapraph... try it
Vance 5/7/00
6:00 PM GREAT! The student discovers and teaches the teacher. That's what I teach for!
Sr.
N 5/7/00 6:01 PM Thanks a lot for
your help Vance... That's what efiwebhead is all about...
Vance 5/7/00
6:02 PM That's it. Thanks for saying that. It will appear on the webpage somewhere,
some time.
Sr.
N 5/7/00 6:02 PM Last question
for today.. Do you know where I can find
sayings,, quotes or something like that. I want to put some of them in
the top of an exam for my students...
Sr.
N 5/7/00 6:02 PM :O))
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